George Pickens video

[Jizz Mop]

Can anyone find or post the play he’s wide open down right sideline and Mitch tosses it into the Ohio River?

Need for an argument w idiotic Iggles fans down my way.

Thanks

[Orangesteel]

Can anyone find or post the play he’s wide open down right sideline and Mitch tosses it into the Ohio River?

Need for an argument w idiotic Iggles fans down my way.

Thanks

Haha.

I think Franco just posted it. It’s inexcusably bad. If that is Mitch, well then we gotta Ditch the Mitch.

[franco32]

Not sure whether to laugh or cry...

https://youtu.be/XkgLk02XC4M?t=425

[LakecrestSteeler]

Nearly hit the ref.

[Jizz Mop]

Thanks Franco

[Jizz Mop]

Nearly hit the ref.

#notaccurate

[lifelongsteel]

to be fair he was hit right as he was throwing. Depot posted the pic. Blame Moore for that one.

Good to see Pickens running by a CB Martavis Bryant style

[Orangesteel]

Yeah upon review it wasn’t like he was just sitting back there. A Bengals defender was kinda barreling down.

But Mitch needs to keep that ball in the field of play. Hitting the outside of the white line is the one place he can’t throw it.

[JJT07]

to be fair he was hit right as he was throwing. Depot posted the pic. Blame Moore for that one.

Good to see Pickens running by a CB Martavis Bryant style

That was on Dotson and Watt I think. Dotson let the guy run right by him.

[langer]

This is what he does, he is who we thought he was.

Sure, blame the Bears coaches, they were horrible, but he pulled this garbage a lot. He is a eunuch QB.

[LakecrestSteeler]

Watch the replay of the game…you can see Mitch fucking up on the first play with the shovel pass to Muth. He does not have a QB hands game…fakes, sleight of hands, Statue of Liberty etc. He held the ball too long, got too far out of the pocket and gave the shovel away.

Next pass play he does unnecessary rollout into a sloppy pass. There was a nice pocket for him.

Another play late second…. was a pick and roll over the middle…it was there and Mitch decided to run and gained nothing….not getting the ball to his playmakers, while looking right at the play.

He sucks.

[langer]

Not to pile on but...lol.

When he scrambled, forget the play, he didn't slide, he was basically giving himself up to get drilled, and he did catch a shoulder to the melon.

Thought that was indicative of his lack of situational awareness.

[Stosh-67]

Not to pile on but...lol.

When he scrambled, forget the play, he didn't slide, he was basically giving himself up to get drilled, and he did catch a shoulder to the melon.

Thought that was indicative of his lack of situational awareness.

Yup. Commented in game day thread on this play, that it was almost Kenny time.
He lucky he did not get Bell rung

[Mick]

to be fair he was hit right as he was throwing. Depot posted the pic. Blame Moore for that one.

Good to see Pickens running by a CB Martavis Bryant style

That was on Dotson and Watt I think. Dotson let the guy run right by him.

cinci rushes 7 against 6 guys on the line there.

Looks like dotson knows he will have to pick up the linebacker and knows Moore doesn’t have anyone to block, so he tries to hand off his dline rusher. But moore wandered off, apparently his read was “in 7 rushers vs. 6 blockers, i should help double team someone. Specifically, the farthest guy from the QB.”

[lifelongsteel]

I thought Trubisky was mostly bad. three really good plays:
- Flea Flicker. he got the ball out of his hands so fast . . . thought he was going to get sacked and he someone got it out
- Averted safety
- Overtime scramble and toss to Muth on the free play

I was super pissed when he missed Pickens. But since he was hit literally right as he was throwing i'm not blaming him for that one. Ball could have gone anywhere . . .

[Baltostiller]

to be fair he was hit right as he was throwing. Depot posted the pic. Blame Moore for that one.

Good to see Pickens running by a CB Martavis Bryant style

That was on Dotson and Watt I think. Dotson let the guy run right by him.

cinci rushes 7 against 6 guys on the line there.

Looks like dotson knows he will have to pick up the linebacker and knows Moore doesn’t have anyone to block, so he tries to hand off his dline rusher. But moore wandered off, apparently his read was “in 7 rushers vs. 6 blockers, i should help double team someone. Specifically, the farthest guy from the QB.”

I believe that is the new technique that coach Myers put in during training camp...

[Scunge]

I thought Trubisky was mostly bad. three really good plays:
- Flea Flicker. he got the ball out of his hands so fast . . . thought he was going to get sacked and he someone got it out
- Averted safety
- Overtime scramble and toss to Muth on the free play

I was super pissed when he missed Pickens. But since he was hit literally right as he was throwing i'm not blaming him for that one. Ball could have gone anywhere . . .

Oh, I am still pissed he missed Pickens. I don't buy the notion that he got pressure and was almost hit and that threw his aim off, etc.

A QB can actually buy himself some time, in subtle, nuanced ways. As I watched that play, there was nothing stopping Mitch from moving forward in the pocket, buying himself a half second to throw the ball and get that 85 yard TD. This was one of the things that I was watching all preseason among all of our QBs. I knew mobility would be important this year, but not simply from a running perspective.

A QB with mobility, can help this pass protectors by moving in the pocket, it can be very subtle, but even a little can make a huge difference. Of all of our QBs, Kenny has 'it', he knows how to move and shift in the pocket. Yes, just one game, but in this full first game, Mitch showed he does not have 'it' so far. I was hoping that his time in Buffalo, he may have corrected or learned to better in the pocket. And maybe he does show better next week or a month from now as everybody is learning and not on the same page with this new group on offense.

But man, you look at how natural Kenny was in the preseason, how he made it look so effortless, it makes you wonder if it is an innate skill that can't be coached. Kenny would look and see pressure from his left side, and shift over to the right a yard, or move up in the pocket a yard or two and buy some time, it was automatic, didn't even need to think about it. Maybe it is a skill that you either have it or you don't.

[langer]

Kenny looked like a starting QB
Mitch looked like a backup QB pretending to be a starting QB

[Rod & Wire Mill]

Don’t mean to pile on Mitch, but….
How many times did replays show jubilant Ben (or Brad, for that matter) smiling and celebrating on the ground after a td pass?
It’s part of the job

[PennyBacker]

The OP could easily be - Katy, bar the door, Trubisky doesn't even have 3 seconds to get off an accurate ball to a wide open Pickens down the field. His blockers didn't give him much of a chance.

With a 2 score lead in the 2nd half, and with the defense playing the way it was, I don't mind Mitch getting that ball out quickly. A lot was happening in a short radius around him. Turning the ball over there could have been devastating.

[Jizz Mop]

The OP could easily be - Katy, bar the door, Trubisky doesn't even have 3 seconds to get off an accurate ball to a wide open Pickens down the field. His blockers didn't give him much of a chance.

With a 2 score lead in the 2nd half, and with the defense playing the way it was, I don't mind Mitch getting that ball out quickly. A lot was happening in a short radius around him. Turning the ball over there could have been devastating.

Meh

We scored 3 points in the second half

Not exactly offensive dominance

Take the hit, give him a chance to catch it by leading him to the inside, not tossing it way out of bounds

Would have been a game changer

[SteelPro]

I thought Trubisky was mostly bad. three really good plays:
- Flea Flicker. he got the ball out of his hands so fast . . . thought he was going to get sacked and he someone got it out
- Averted safety
- Overtime scramble and toss to Muth on the free play

I was super pissed when he missed Pickens. But since he was hit literally right as he was throwing i'm not blaming him for that one. Ball could have gone anywhere . . .

Oh, I am still pissed he missed Pickens. I don't buy the notion that he got pressure and was almost hit and that threw his aim off, etc.

A QB can actually buy himself some time, in subtle, nuanced ways. As I watched that play, there was nothing stopping Mitch from moving forward in the pocket, buying himself a half second to throw the ball and get that 85 yard TD. This was one of the things that I was watching all preseason among all of our QBs. I knew mobility would be important this year, but not simply from a running perspective.

A QB with mobility, can help this pass protectors by moving in the pocket, it can be very subtle, but even a little can make a huge difference. Of all of our QBs, Kenny has 'it', he knows how to move and shift in the pocket. Yes, just one game, but in this full first game, Mitch showed he does not have 'it' so far. I was hoping that his time in Buffalo, he may have corrected or learned to better in the pocket. And maybe he does show better next week or a month from now as everybody is learning and not on the same page with this new group on offense.

But man, you look at how natural Kenny was in the preseason, how he made it look so effortless, it makes you wonder if it is an innate skill that can't be coached. Kenny would look and see pressure from his left side, and shift over to the right a yard, or move up in the pocket a yard or two and buy some time, it was automatic, didn't even need to think about it. Maybe it is a skill that you either have it or you don't.

I think this is a pretty good analysis of the play. Yes, the Bengals brought pressure. But Mitch kind of bailed on the play a touch too early. If he hangs on a half second longer he would have been able to feel the blitz go past him with enough space to at least step into a throw instead of flinging it off his back foot. All that said it was 3rd and 14 and the Steelers were up 11 points. Bailing on that play a split second early is better than bailing on it a split second late. And I agree, some of this is just who has better instincts in the pocket. Truly great QBs seem to almost never be a split second early or late because they have truly great instincts in the pocket. Mitch's resume seems to indicate he doesn't have that. Maybe KP does. But all that said this wasn't an egregiously terrible play like some people are indicating.

[Mick]

The OP could easily be - Katy, bar the door, Trubisky doesn't even have 3 seconds to get off an accurate ball to a wide open Pickens down the field. His blockers didn't give him much of a chance.

With a 2 score lead in the 2nd half, and with the defense playing the way it was, I don't mind Mitch getting that ball out quickly. A lot was happening in a short radius around him. Turning the ball over there could have been devastating.

Meh

We scored 3 points in the second half

Not exactly offensive dominance

Take the hit, give him a chance to catch it by leading him to the inside, not tossing it way out of bounds

Would have been a game changer

or instead, throw it before it’s too late to be accurate. You know 7 guys are coming and basically nobody’s covered.

Could put some air under it and let pickens run underneath it. Or just go underneath and hope someone makes a play. But don’t wait until you are getting hit, throw it to nowhere, and blame the pass protection.

We had 8 first downs through the air in 5 quarters. It was an absurdly pathetic showing against a mediocre defense. Everyone has bad games sometimes, Packers aren’t going to bench Rodgers this week. But Pickett can’t be worse and this D looks worth at least trying to pair with some offensive scoring.

[Kodiak.]

Could put some air under it and let pickens run underneath it.

I don't know. I've watched that replay a few times and while it's not clear, it looks to me like the DB is step-for-step when Trubisky releases it. So did the DB break off after he saw the air mail, or was he passing off Pickens to a safety that wasn't there?

Looked to me like Pickens comes open on a blown coverage AFTER the ball is released. I suppose Mitch could have tried a jump ball in 1-on-1 coverage, but he was probably just trying not to risk a turnover.


This is the same sort of thing people complained about with Ben for years about "missing" receivers that only came open AFTER the ball is released with a rusher barreling down on Ben.

[Riverrat]

I rewatched the games last night with the volume down. He had some mistakes but at times played pretty well with what was in front of him. He is getting hammered but he made some plays and bought some time with his legs. I have to hope for the sake of the franchise Kenny will be an improvement but I'll trust the coaches at this point who watch them every day in practice. Preseason simply isn't regular season and KP may not be ready yet. We got a w.

[Kodiak.]

I rewatched the games last night with the volume down. He had some mistakes but at times played pretty well with what was in front of him. He is getting hammered but he made some plays and bought some time with his legs. I have to hope for the sake of the franchise Kenny will be an improvement but I'll trust the coaches at this point who watch them every day in practice. Preseason simply isn't regular season and KP may not be ready yet. We got a w.

This is the first fair and rational take I've seen. People ready to hand Pickett a yellow jacket after a couple of preseason games are nervous nelly's that PIT is shitting away a shot at a SB not playing Pickett. It's pretty insufferable, actually.

[Scunge]

I wouldn't say people think inserting Kenny as the starter means we have a chance at a Super Bowl this year Kodiak.

I look at it as people thinking Kenny is the future and why not start that future now?

That 2023 season, next year, wouldn't it be better if Pickett had some starts under his belt before that season began?
Wouldn't it be better for Kenny to learn and grow this year, make his youthful mistakes, get that out of the way so that next season we can compete with the rest of the AFC North that have their established starting QBs??

There are two ways of looking at it. Let Kenny sit and learn behind Mitch. Or start Kenny and let him take his lumps. You see NFL teams do more of the latter and it is rare to see teams actually sit their 1st round picks.

Oh, sure, it does happen. Pat Mahommes sat as a rookie, but Alex Smith threw for 4,000+ yards and had 26 TDs and 5 INTs and was a Pro Bowl QB that year. With Rivers, SD had Drew Brees, with Aaron Rodgers GB had Brett Farve.

Is Mitch Trubisky equivalent to a Farve, Brees or even an Alex Smith? Is he so good that he can hold off Kenny Pickett if the offense disappoints into the middle of the season??

I can see the Mitch/Kenny situation going along the lines of what happened in 2018 with the Ravens and Flacco/Jackson. That year they were 4-5 after 9 games and had just lost a home game against the hated Steelers. What did Harbaugh do?? He benched Flacco and inserted Lamar Jackson, the rookie 1st round QB and they went on to win 6 of their last 7 games, ended up 10-6, won the AFC North and entered the playoffs but lost to the Chargers.

I can envision that same scenario happening in Pittsburgh this year. Mitch is just meh, the offense is holding the team back and Tomlin is looking for a spark, a match, to reignite the offense. Kenny is named the starter and he is that spark, that match, that gasoline to get the offense going and we go on a run to make the playoffs as a wild card team.

[SteelPro]

I wouldn't say people think inserting Kenny as the starter means we have a chance at a Super Bowl this year Kodiak.

I look at it as people thinking Kenny is the future and why not start that future now?

That 2023 season, next year, wouldn't it be better if Pickett had some starts under his belt before that season began?
Wouldn't it be better for Kenny to learn and grow this year, make his youthful mistakes, get that out of the way so that next season we can compete with the rest of the AFC North that have their established starting QBs??

There are two ways of looking at it. Let Kenny sit and learn behind Mitch. Or start Kenny and let him take his lumps. You see NFL teams do more of the latter and it is rare to see teams actually sit their 1st round picks.

Oh, sure, it does happen. Pat Mahommes sat as a rookie, but Alex Smith threw for 4,000+ yards and had 26 TDs and 5 INTs and was a Pro Bowl QB that year. With Rivers, SD had Drew Brees, with Aaron Rodgers GB had Brett Farve.

Is Mitch Trubisky equivalent to a Farve, Brees or even an Alex Smith? Is he so good that he can hold off Kenny Pickett if the offense disappoints into the middle of the season??

I can see the Mitch/Kenny situation going along the lines of what happened in 2018 with the Ravens and Flacco/Jackson. That year they were 4-5 after 9 games and had just lost a home game against the hated Steelers. What did Harbaugh do?? He benched Flacco and inserted Lamar Jackson, the rookie 1st round QB and they went on to win 6 of their last 7 games, ended up 10-6, won the AFC North and entered the playoffs but lost to the Chargers.

I can envision that same scenario happening in Pittsburgh this year. Mitch is just meh, the offense is holding the team back and Tomlin is looking for a spark, a match, to reignite the offense. Kenny is named the starter and he is that spark, that match, that gasoline to get the offense going and we go on a run to make the playoffs as a wild card team.

Here is another thought. The coaching staff knows the Offensive line isn’t very good and is a work in progress. They want to give this unit a little time to grow before they task them with protecting the QB of the future.

[Scunge]

Yeah, there is that too, SteelPro.

But what I don't want to see happen this year is us constantly throwing the offensive line (and Canada) under the bus and using that as an excuse, for Mitch's play, or for Najee Harris, or whomever.

If the line does gel, does play better, and you still have Mitch not playing well, or Harris not playing well, then moves should be made.

With Harris and his foot, I think Warren should be playing a lot more no matter what. And if Mitch is hesitant in his play, does not get more decisive in his play, they should play Kenny.

I will say this about Warren on Sunday, I can't remember a game by a Steeler RB in which I saw such strong blocking. Not just in pass protection, but also getting out to block for Mitch, for Claypool, etc. Usually a rookie RB isn't so accomplished at blocking, the kid is a natural at it, and has nastiness to him.

What Jaylin put on display as a blocker takes away another arrow that people might sling his way. Well, he isn't a good enough blocker, have to be able to pass protect, blah, blah, blah. Warren took that argument and shit all over it last Sunday.

Harris and his foot injury may be a blessing this year because it will force Tomlin to appreciate the virtues of having a two back rotation.

[Deebo]

I wouldn't say people think inserting Kenny as the starter means we have a chance at a Super Bowl this year Kodiak.

I look at it as people thinking Kenny is the future and why not start that future now?

That 2023 season, next year, wouldn't it be better if Pickett had some starts under his belt before that season began?
Wouldn't it be better for Kenny to learn and grow this year, make his youthful mistakes, get that out of the way so that next season we can compete with the rest of the AFC North that have their established starting QBs??

There are two ways of looking at it. Let Kenny sit and learn behind Mitch. Or start Kenny and let him take his lumps. You see NFL teams do more of the latter and it is rare to see teams actually sit their 1st round picks.

Oh, sure, it does happen. Pat Mahommes sat as a rookie, but Alex Smith threw for 4,000+ yards and had 26 TDs and 5 INTs and was a Pro Bowl QB that year. With Rivers, SD had Drew Brees, with Aaron Rodgers GB had Brett Farve.

Is Mitch Trubisky equivalent to a Farve, Brees or even an Alex Smith? Is he so good that he can hold off Kenny Pickett if the offense disappoints into the middle of the season??

I can see the Mitch/Kenny situation going along the lines of what happened in 2018 with the Ravens and Flacco/Jackson. That year they were 4-5 after 9 games and had just lost a home game against the hated Steelers. What did Harbaugh do?? He benched Flacco and inserted Lamar Jackson, the rookie 1st round QB and they went on to win 6 of their last 7 games, ended up 10-6, won the AFC North and entered the playoffs but lost to the Chargers.

I can envision that same scenario happening in Pittsburgh this year. Mitch is just meh, the offense is holding the team back and Tomlin is looking for a spark, a match, to reignite the offense. Kenny is named the starter and he is that spark, that match, that gasoline to get the offense going and we go on a run to make the playoffs as a wild card team.

Here's the thing: unless you've identied the root problem is the QB, you can't expect to throw in a rookie and have different results.

I'm convinced that MT would be adequeate in a pro style offense and with a competent OLine. Not saying he'd be great, but he's a better QB than what we saw on Sunday.

And as someone mentioned, our prized Rookie will get destroyed playing behind these jokers. I'd rather not get him killed/shell shocked