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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:22 am

- I’m fairly certain much of the Steelers dysfunction takes root deep in an organization that believes in order to play football the “right” way as well as “represent” Pittsburgh there is a very limited scope in which they can pursue that agenda on the football field. There are a lot of problems with that thinking but most of all not being able to scheme to that idea and not being able to acquire the players to do it effectively means you aren’t gonna win many important games

- I see Deuce much the same way I see King Charles. A really reluctant figurehead who has no real gravitas when it comes to the family business. I think that’s why he likes Tomlin as much as he does. Tomlin is the CEO and football face of the franchise and he is just good enough not to force Rooney to fire him while at the same time allowing Rooney to not look like a total buffoon football wise because it’s Tomlins show to run.

- Tomlin has some VERY VERY strong points particularly in regards to being the face of the Steelers. He is easily the best HC in the league in that regard. No one else comes close. He’s also exceptional at never bottoming out. I think where he lacks the most is in developing his staff and holding them to a high standard. I always laugh when people here talk like Tomlin calls critiques and designs all the plays both offense and defense. Lolololz. 🦍😎🦍. He was NEVER gonna do that. Harley Earl is probably the single greatest automotive designer in American history. He never drew one sketch. Lol. He had other people to do that. He was the idea man who had final approval and full reign to demand more or less from his staff. I kinda think that is Tomlin to a T I’m as far as his role. I like the Flores hire. I just don’t see a scenario where Rooney will fire Tomlin. Rooney would have to make some real decisions then and it wont be just Stan Saravan and Charlie Batch lobbing softballs

- If Tomlin could find an OC worth his salt I think things would be alot better but the trend is Haley Fitchner Canada. What do all of those have in common ? 1) A very limited offensive approach that values their offensive agenda highly 2) No one in the NFL wanted them before they came here. 3) No one wanted them when they left

- I wasn’t a fan of the Pickett draft pick but here we are. I hope he does well. If he gets some playtime soon I really doubt the offense will change much. They might move a little better and look a little better but at the end of the day it’s gonna be the same small ball “tough guy identity” football and the Steelers will continue to lack any and all players nesscessary for that to even have the slightest chance of making that work

- All of that ^^^^^^^^ said there is ZERO reason not to start Kenny at this point. I had hopes Trubisky would be at least passably mediocre. He was HORRIBLE last Sunday. If THATS who he is might as well bring back Duck. At least he was somewhat of a wildcard. Time to see what Kenny has. Welcome to the NFL.

- I’m done listening to excuses for this defense. Winners get off the field. Losers do not. It really is that simple. The number one reason they are on the field more than you’d like is they don’t make stops to get off the field. Bitch about the offense all you want. This defense has too many nice guys

- Compared to the rest of the league the Steelers seem to have an inordinately high number of guys who get. “frustrated” . Why is that ? I’m guessing the players look at the Steelers way of doing things and from the inside are shocked at how unlike any other athletic endeavor they’ve ever taken part in it is. I suspect merit takes a back seat often


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Post by MJG75 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:14 am

Can't find much to disagree with here. Though I don't criticize coaching nor front office as much as I should or many do, this is all fair criticism. I think the one thing that frustrates me most: live up to the standard! If the standard is to be physical, run smashmouth football on both sides of the ball, then draft and develop guys to do that! Najee is a great move but why not draft road graders (or at least smart guys to run schemes) to make it work? That is the maddening thing. I don't mind having a Steeler Way. In fact, I love it. Most fans do. Just live up to it.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:57 pm

I only like winning football

I could care less about “The Steeler Way” if it means playing to an agenda that doesn’t win big games regularly. To me The Steeler Way should be a growing and living thing centered around winning championships. If that means run and shoot offense fine. It means ground and pound fine. Whatever works. It’s very apparent to me the Steelers value identity football more than merely winning while at the same time not really being good at the identity they are trying to project

Right now DJ Claypool Pickens and Austin might be a mismatch unit on the field against any team in the league.

Will the Steelers have a significant number of snaps without one of Friermuth or Najee on the field ??

I think we all know the answer to that
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Post by langer » Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:36 pm

All those offensive weapons and none of them can be used effectively.

What would Ben do....lol
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Post by 955876 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:33 pm

If this team ever had an offensive identity it would be run strong, throw long.

What identity are they trying to achieve?

We try to run but can’t. Then we dink and dunk for 2 yards on 3rd and 10.

And if they want to be a run first team how bout drafting big strong road graders at oline instead of undersized pussies.

So if they are chasing an identity they surely aren’t aligning the draft process to match.

Dysfunctional idiots.

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Post by langer » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:44 pm

The identity left when Ben left, there's nothing there except bullshit words from Coach Loquacious.

Used to be tough defense, that's long gone, smashmouf football, long gone, Ben's toughness, replaced with Mitch's mental fragility and bad cowardly play.

But we have beautiful tough-guy words from our Coach, cut and paste components and so forth.
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Post by JackLambert58 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:51 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:57 pm
I only like winning football

I could care less about “The Steeler Way” if it means playing to an agenda that doesn’t win big games regularly. To me The Steeler Way should be a growing and living thing centered around winning championships. If that means run and shoot offense fine. It means ground and pound fine. Whatever works. It’s very apparent to me the Steelers value identity football more than merely winning while at the same time not really being good at the identity they are trying to project

Right now DJ Claypool Pickens and Austin might be a mismatch unit on the field against any team in the league.

Will the Steelers have a significant number of snaps without one of Friermuth or Najee on the field ??

I think we all know the answer to that
100%

Chuck Noll coined the phrase for this team: "Whatever it Takes!" He didn't say "Ground and Pound" or "Identity" or any of that shit. The Steelers identity should be "Whatever it Takes!" Three fuckin' playoff wins in a decades time and none in over five years with an elite QB. NHALS is not good enough for this franchise, and STD, you have hit on the root cause. Dunce buying in to that whole identity bullshit and enabling Tomlin.
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Post by jeemie » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:52 pm

Not gonna get on the defense’s case for surrendering 17 points in today’s NFL.

Again…a shitload of unrealistic expectations being piled on the defense all because the offense is stunted.

We can’t win a lot of games 14-10.

Just can’t.
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Post by 955876 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:54 pm

How many yards does Najee get if he runs it up the gut as Trai Essex said he should have done??

He got 2 yards bouncing it outside.

Now give the daylight that appears to the outside one would think more yards were there to be had.

But Najee isn’t FWP.

Shame we spent a 1st on a guy who can barely get around the corner.

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Post by 955876 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:54 pm

How many yards does Najee get if he runs it up the gut as Trai Essex said he should have done??

He got 2 yards bouncing it outside.

Now give the daylight that appears to the outside one would think more yards were there to be had.

But Najee isn’t FWP.

Shame we spent a 1st on a guy who can barely get around the corner.
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Post by jeemie » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:00 pm

That’s a nice lane behind #78.

I know it’s a screenshot and the video may tell a different story but…YIKES!
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Post by langer » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:01 pm

Maybe he needs coaching, or glasses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNmqMnePYgg
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Post by 955876 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 pm

Continues to bounce this one outside even though the Red Sea had opened up right in front of him…
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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:48 pm

Holy Jesus Najee. I mean that is beyond bad.
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Post by alancac98 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:51 pm

955876 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 pm
Co to use to bounce this one outside even though the Red Sea had opened up right in front of him…
Wow, that's just downright embarrassing. Someone should light his ass up on twitter with that screenshot! (I don't have twitter)

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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:52 pm

Najee is total ass and until he shows me otherwise, our run game is league worst (again).
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:54 pm

jeemie wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:52 pm
Not gonna get on the defense’s case for surrendering 17 points in today’s NFL.

Again…a shitload of unrealistic expectations being piled on the defense all because the offense is stunted.

We can’t win a lot of games 14-10.

Just can’t.
Doesn’t matter if it’s 6-3

Winning teams make stops when they need to.

This team hasn’t done that in quite a while.
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Post by 955876 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:27 pm

alancac98 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:51 pm
955876 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 pm
Co to use to bounce this one outside even though the Red Sea had opened up right in front of him…
Wow, that's just downright embarrassing. Someone should light his ass up on twitter with that screenshot! (I don't have twitter)
I don’t have Twitter either but good idea.

Orrrrr, maybe one of his coaches if you know, they aren’t too busy could actually you know, coach him.

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Post by Jobu » Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:51 pm

955876 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:27 pm
alancac98 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:51 pm
955876 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 pm
Co to use to bounce this one outside even though the Red Sea had opened up right in front of him…
Wow, that's just downright embarrassing. Someone should light his ass up on twitter with that screenshot! (I don't have twitter)
I don’t have Twitter either but good idea.

Orrrrr, maybe one of his coaches if you know, they aren’t too busy could actually you know, coach him.
Don’t worry, they have confidence in him…he’ll figure it out!

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Post by 955876 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:01 pm

Makes you wonder what these are watching during film session.

Just figures. We burn a first on a RB and he is a glorified version of Benny Snail.

This team sure knows how to pick-em…

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Post by Deebo » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:30 pm

Jobu wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:51 pm
955876 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:27 pm
alancac98 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:51 pm


Wow, that's just downright embarrassing. Someone should light his ass up on twitter with that screenshot! (I don't have twitter)
I don’t have Twitter either but good idea.

Orrrrr, maybe one of his coaches if you know, they aren’t too busy could actually you know, coach him.
Don’t worry, they have confidence in him…he’ll figure it out!
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Post by langer » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:40 pm

Hey, he tried to talk to Coach, but Coach told him to figure it out himself.

Was what he wanted to ask was how to better recognize blocking and hitting large gaping holes?

What a goofball team this is.
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Post by gojira5150 » Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:46 pm

955876 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:01 pm
Makes you wonder what these are watching during film session.

Just figures. We burn a first on a RB and he is a glorified version of Benny Snail.

This team sure knows how to pick-em…
I tend to agree with Scunge on this issue. Jaylen Warren should be the starting RB. Dude hits the hole fast, makes a move/cut and he's gaining yardage. If JW had the red sea open like that, he would have gained a good chunk of real-estate. NEVER EVER draft a RB in the 1st :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: Just a bad return on investment.
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Post by Kodiak. » Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:01 pm

There was another run I mentioned in the game thread. Najee got to the 2nd level, and had a blocker on a guy in front of him. Rather than make a move to either side, or attempt to set-up his blocker, he just runs into the guy's back.

That plus the other two runs shown here probably left 25+ yards on the field. And he's still trying to outrun the D to the edge rather than find a crease and lower the shoulder.

Najee scares absolutely no one. And then the D can drop 7-8 into coverage, and because we only dink and dunk have them play downhill.

Personnel issues aside, I don't think Matt Canada could make it any easier on a defense to defend.
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Post by PennyBacker » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:33 am

gojira5150 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:46 pm
NEVER EVER draft a RB in the 1st :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: Just a bad return on investment.
Except I just don't see how Pittsburgh sends Roethlisberger out a winner without him being able to utilize Harris for 381 touches last season. How else do you get the games into the 4th quarter so Ben could work his magic there?

For me, even if he never did anything else, the Harris selection was completely worth a 1st rounder so we could see Ben go out a winner. And Harris will still contribute much more. He's evolving into a team leader on offense, if he isn't already there.

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Post by 955876 » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:38 am

PennyBacker wrote:
Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:33 am
gojira5150 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:46 pm
NEVER EVER draft a RB in the 1st :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted: Just a bad return on investment.
Except I just don't see how Pittsburgh sends Roethlisberger out a winner without him being able to utilize Harris for 381 touches last season. How else do you get the games into the 4th quarter so Ben could work his magic there?

For me, even if he never did anything else, the Harris selection was completely worth a 1st rounder so we could see Ben go out a winner. And Harris will still contribute much more. He's evolving into a team leader on offense, if he isn't already there.
Making the playoffs and getting smoked in the wildcard round doesn’t equate to “going out a winner” in my book. Just doesn’t.

And we might be stuck with a slow footed RB with poor vision that Jibbs tries to force the offense through for the next few years.

Not a great scenario.

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Post by langer » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:54 am

He's evolving into a team leader on offense, if he isn't already there.
I don't see this, I see the cheap PR from the media and fans on social media helping the Steelers create NAJEE THE KING but the dude is getting a rep as a guy who can't run the football. Which is what he is supposed to do. He's building a bigger wall to hurdle over every week. I mean, the hurdling is great for little TikToks but even casual fans are seeing what's going on. Hell, he might be spent, all those runs in college then being run into the ground last year.

If he doesn't start producing pronto, he's going to cement his name in Canton as a bust.

We expected Earl Campbell and got another Tim Worley.
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Post by Havoc » Wed Sep 21, 2022 1:57 am

955876 wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:19 pm
Continues to bounce this one outside even though the Red Sea had opened up right in front of him…
It's even worse when you watch the video (posted by langer).

Our QB lacks natural feel for levering his body to make a throw. An athlete playing QB and not that great of an athlete.
Our RB has no vision. An athlete playing RB and not that great of an athlete.
Our HC has no brains on the offensive side of the football.
Canada won't get another NFL OC job when we are done with him.

Current players, former players, media, fans... complaining about coaching on the offensive side of the football.

Mike Tomlin is an asshole on the offensive side of the football. Always has been once he asserted himself.
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Post by langer » Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:40 am

I’d take Tebow over Sadsack Mitch.
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Post by RemoAZ » Wed Sep 21, 2022 2:59 am

Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:52 pm
Najee is total ass and until he shows me otherwise, our run game is league worst (again).
The RB may stink but I thought this analysis by Merril Hoge was interesting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/lo ... b429fd86f3

Hoge said that Canada's scheme in the run game may present more problems for the Steelers than the opposing team.

"This is probably the only running game that I have been confused,” Hoge said. “I don’t know that he threatens the box. He adds more people to the box, and he puts more people in bad spots in the running game. Some of his motions they bring people in, and like the jet stuff isn’t affecting anybody. You’re pulling someone from the back end and now you’ve got more people in there than you even wanted. Schematically, there is some stuff that doesn’t make sense with it."
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