Tomlin waiting on Canada

[steelmann58]

i read that Mike be waiting to a certain OC to be let go before making a move on Matt.

[Mick]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Canada stays on as “Special Assistant” for next season while we hire a “Passing Game Coordinator” or similar as part of a ‘restructure’. I don’t know why we would be looking for someone that got fired for being bad to make the move though. Would rather get an assistant from Philly or San Fran.

[Jobu]

I read the article, the coach in question is Byron Leftwich, and I don’t know how much stock I’d put into it. It comes from a tweet from Andrew Fillipponi…

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Steelers rumor: Mike Tomlin is waiting to see if Byron Leftwich gets fired before making a move on Matt Canada.

How would swapping out Leftwich for Canada make you feel?
2:16 PM · Jan 16, 2023

The key word there is “rumor”. And regardless of what one thinks of Matt Canada, letting him twist in the wind like this is a dick move. I’m sure Tomlin is too much of a great guy to pull a stunt like this!

[Pickett's Platoon]

i read that Mike be waiting to a certain OC to be let go before making a move on Matt.

Are you sure you read that right?

[Ice]

So, it would theoretically be Brady moving on that would cause Leftwich to leave TB for Pittsburgh? It'd be a not very good lateral move at best for Lefty. TB still has a few decent pieces in place along the OL and at WR, if nothing else.

[Orangesteel]

Maybe the thought is if Brady goes they clean house and start with an all new staff.

I think Leftwich does some good things. And he’s not Matt Canada. The key is Leftwich needs to really dig in with Kenny and build an offense specifically tailored to him. Even though Byron had the GOAT in Tampa you can’t argue with the fact that offense the last three years has been pretty damn effective. Brady isn’t mobile and they had who they had and they still ran a legit NFL offense that scored. This season they have been meh but I think the body of work shows Byron at least has promise.

I’d really be interested in the Dallas OC.

[Ice]

I think Jerry Jones is really interested in his own OC, his fascination with Sean Payton notwithstanding.

[SteelPro]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Canada stays on as “Special Assistant” for next season while we hire a “Passing Game Coordinator” or similar as part of a ‘restructure’. I don’t know why we would be looking for someone that got fired for being bad to make the move though. Would rather get an assistant from Philly or San Fran.

Good coordinators can find themselves available for reasons beyond their control. Sometimes they are just caught in the crossfire of the head coach getting canned.

[StillerDownSouth]

Hard pass on Leftwich. Tampa’s offense was worse than PS this year.

[StillerDownSouth]

Maybe the thought is if Brady goes they clean house and start with an all new staff.

I think Leftwich does some good things. And he’s not Matt Canada. The key is Leftwich needs to really dig in with Kenny and build an offense specifically tailored to him. Even though Byron had the GOAT in Tampa you can’t argue with the fact that offense the last three years has been pretty damn effective. Brady isn’t mobile and they had who they had and they still ran a legit NFL offense that scored. This season they have been meh but I think the body of work shows Byron at least has promise.

I’d really be interested in the Dallas OC.

I attribute the prior 2 years to Arians. Arians left and their offense went to shit. No thanks on Leftwich. Tampa scored 5 more points total this year than Steelers did, playing in the worst division in football by a mile.

[Jobu]

So, it would theoretically be Brady moving on that would cause Leftwich to leave TB…

Well, if the rumors are true, it would be getting fired that would cause him to leave TB!

[steelmann58]

I still throw out a wide net there for a OC but from all sounds not going to happen

[RemoAZ]

Hard pass on Leftwich. Tampa’s offense was worse than PS this year.

Wouldn't that be hilarious? Sad but hilarious. Finally get rid of Canada then hire the OC from an offense that was actually worse than ours that needed the best QB in the history of the NFL to salvage wins with heroic 4th quarters to get them into the playoffs. We'd see the same exact shit, only worse. Perfect!

[Orangesteel]

Yeah not a good audition tonight from Lefty

[jeemie]

Why was Tampa’s offense worse this year?

Was it because of the OC’s play designs or his playcalling?

In 2020 the Bucs scored 492 points.

Last year they scored 511.

Did Leftwich suddenly turn stupid in 2022?

Was it ALL because of Brady in 2020 and 2021?

I agree if we are going to replace Canada, we should cast a wide net.

Bet let’s not be reactionary either.

[langer]

"His pedigree speaks for itself before he enters the room with his long legacy of believing in the core functionality of a ball team and that the execution of plans is what makes plans special. We have scoured the face of the earth looking for a man like him and are proud to include him in the rich history of this ballclub."

[Mick]

Why was Tampa’s offense worse this year?

Was it because of the OC’s play designs or his playcalling?

In 2020 the Bucs scored 492 points.

Last year they scored 511.

Did Leftwich suddenly turn stupid in 2022?

Was it ALL because of Brady in 2020 and 2021?

I agree if we are going to replace Canada, we should cast a wide net.

Bet let’s not be reactionary either.

they had Antonio Brown and Rob Gronkowski last year. I think we pretend AB was pretty irrelevant for them, but they were 7-0 with AB (actually won 14 straight with AB in the lineup, including a SB) and 6-4 without him, and he was pretty productive in those seven games: 78 yards/game and 0.6 TDs/game is a nice add from your #4 target.

[jeemie]

So it’s the Jimmies and Joes, not the Xs and Os?

Thanks!

Bruce Arians thinks Leftwich deserves more praise than he gets. He thought highly enough of Leftwich to bring him along with him to Tampa from Arizona in 2019.

https://www.nfl.com/news/bruce-arians-b ... success-i-

Leftwich’s offense sucked at Arizona (but he had Josh Rosen and Sam Bradford as QB). He improved the Bucs’ offense from 12th in scoring to 3rd the year before Brady got there (with Jameis Winston at QB…although that was only a difference of 3 points per game…from 25 to 28. And then managed to keep things running even though having to manage Brady I’m sure was a chore,

So I would say the jury is out on the guy. Again, I’d rather Tomlin cast a wide net, but if he chooses Leftwich, it’s not automatically a bad choice.

[franco32]

Leftwich would not be the end of the world. He's a former QB and has shown the ability to put together some decent game plans. I get they've been horrible this year and couldn't run the ball but it wasn't all his fault.

Still, I don't understand why we can't find a young offensive mind somewhere in the league to come in and build around this young offense? Why can the Bills find a Ken Dorsey or the Lions can promote Ben Johnson mid-season and see him do amazing things?

For once, can Tomlin look past his limited f*ckin network and put some effort into bringing in a young mind with potential?

[StillerDownSouth]

Why was Tampa’s offense worse this year?

Was it because of the OC’s play designs or his playcalling?

In 2020 the Bucs scored 492 points.

Last year they scored 511.

Did Leftwich suddenly turn stupid in 2022?

Was it ALL because of Brady in 2020 and 2021?

I agree if we are going to replace Canada, we should cast a wide net.

Bet let’s not be reactionary either.

Arians wasn’t coaching anymore. Went from working for an offensive coach, and a damn good one, to working for a defensive coach, sound familiar?

[alancac98]

Is Frank Reich still out there floating around? Yeah, I'll take him!

[Deebo]

Maybe the thought is if Brady goes they clean house and start with an all new staff.

I think Leftwich does some good things. And he’s not Matt Canada. The key is Leftwich needs to really dig in with Kenny and build an offense specifically tailored to him. Even though Byron had the GOAT in Tampa you can’t argue with the fact that offense the last three years has been pretty damn effective. Brady isn’t mobile and they had who they had and they still ran a legit NFL offense that scored. This season they have been meh but I think the body of work shows Byron at least has promise.

I’d really be interested in the Dallas OC.

I attribute the prior 2 years to Arians. Arians left and their offense went to shit. No thanks on Leftwich. Tampa scored 5 more points total this year than Steelers did, playing in the worst division in football by a mile.

That's how I read the situation. IT was the Arians influence moreso whatever Leftwich did/didn't do.

[jebrick]

I would bet they hire Leftwich as an offensive assistant/passing coordinator. Add run coordinator to Meyer's resume and let Canada call the plays.

[Jobu]

Why was Tampa’s offense worse this year?

Was it because of the OC’s play designs or his playcalling?

In 2020 the Bucs scored 492 points.

Last year they scored 511.

Did Leftwich suddenly turn stupid in 2022?

Was it ALL because of Brady in 2020 and 2021?

I agree if we are going to replace Canada, we should cast a wide net.

Bet let’s not be reactionary either.

I’m going to say what, for some reason, isn’t allowed to be said.
Brady is toast.
From what I’ve watched of him this season, it’s over. He’s been as bad as Ryan and Rodgers. Last night he looked like me when I was in my 40s, trying to play pickup basketball at the city park against the 20 somethings…pathetic!
Ben bowed out at the right time!

As for Leftwich, there are worse choice out there, that’s for sure. He has the Steelers/Tomlin connection. If he’s fired bring him in and let’s see what he can do designing and calling the attrition offense.
That said, I’m still expecting at least another season of Canada.

[Pabst]

I would bet they hire Leftwich as an offensive assistant/passing coordinator. Add run coordinator to Meyer's resume and let Canada call the plays.

Speaking of run coordinator......Harold Goodwin might be a name to watch here.

He had been an assistant under Arians going all the was back to 2007 in Pittsburgh. He was Arians' OC in Arizona and was the running game coordinator in Tampa under Leftwich.

[Mick]

I mean, going from 2018 to 2019, Brady lost Gronkowski and his YPA went from 7.6 to 6.6. He was broadly described as ‘done’, got let go and went to Tampa. Got Gronkowski (and AB) back, YPA back up to 7.6, and Tampa was the best team in the league over the next two seasons. Lost Gronkowski again, YPA fell from 7.4 to 6.4.

I think if you put a strong offense around him, he’ll still be fine. He’s been very limited physically for a long time now. But there are plenty of other QBs who can look good in a strong offense too, so I wouldn’t want to pay Tom Brady money for him.

[Pabst]

I mean, going from 2018 to 2019, Brady lost Gronkowski and his YPA went from 7.6 to 6.6. He was broadly described as ‘done’, got let go and went to Tampa. Got Gronkowski (and AB) back, YPA back up to 7.6, and Tampa was the best team in the league over the next two seasons. Lost Gronkowski again, YPA fell from 7.4 to 6.4.

I think if you put a strong offense around him, he’ll still be fine. He’s been very limited physically for a long time now. But there are plenty of other QBs who can look good in a strong offense too, so I wouldn’t want to pay Tom Brady money for him.

For whatever it's worth - It wasn't just Gronk. Tampa lost all three of their starting IOL from 2021. Cappa signed with Cincinnati, Jensen was injured in camp, and Marpet retired suddenly in the offseason. That'll impact the running game and it's pretty significant for a statue QB like Brady.

[jebrick]

I mean, going from 2018 to 2019, Brady lost Gronkowski and his YPA went from 7.6 to 6.6. He was broadly described as ‘done’, got let go and went to Tampa. Got Gronkowski (and AB) back, YPA back up to 7.6, and Tampa was the best team in the league over the next two seasons. Lost Gronkowski again, YPA fell from 7.4 to 6.4.

I think if you put a strong offense around him, he’ll still be fine. He’s been very limited physically for a long time now. But there are plenty of other QBs who can look good in a strong offense too, so I wouldn’t want to pay Tom Brady money for him.

Tampa Bay is $49M over the cap. They should blow up the team and thank Brady for his service.

Maybe the Steelers could get Evans for a 6th?

[Orangesteel]

I mean, going from 2018 to 2019, Brady lost Gronkowski and his YPA went from 7.6 to 6.6. He was broadly described as ‘done’, got let go and went to Tampa. Got Gronkowski (and AB) back, YPA back up to 7.6, and Tampa was the best team in the league over the next two seasons. Lost Gronkowski again, YPA fell from 7.4 to 6.4.

I think if you put a strong offense around him, he’ll still be fine. He’s been very limited physically for a long time now. But there are plenty of other QBs who can look good in a strong offense too, so I wouldn’t want to pay Tom Brady money for him.

Tampa Bay is $49M over the cap. They should blow up the team and thank Brady for his service.

Maybe the Steelers could get Evans for a 6th?

I’d make a run at Evans in a heartbeat. He’s a baller.

[jeemie]

I would bet they hire Leftwich as an offensive assistant/passing coordinator. Add run coordinator to Meyer's resume and let Canada call the plays.

Would Leftwich take such a demotion?

I guess if he needed a job, he would.

Especially if he was promised OC in waiting if Canada didn’t shape up.