who getting released

[steelmann58]

if these players do work out their deals
these 3 are gone
Jackson
Mitch
Jacks

[K_C_]

This shit concerns me.

Massively.

Rooney 2 is a fuckstick of massive proportions.

https://steelersnow.com/steelers-plan-m ... back-2023/

[Stillchest]

This shit concerns me.

Massively.

Rooney 2 is a fuckstick of massive proportions.

https://steelersnow.com/steelers-plan-m ... back-2023/

Yep.

A total waste of fucking cap space.

WTF is wrong with Art II?!

[Kodiak.]

Rudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.

I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.

But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.

[K_C_]

Rudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.

I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.

But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.

Trubisky has said he wants to go someplace he will have a chance to start.

Obviously, he's delusional but it also means he probably isn't coming back to Pittsburgh

Trubisky lives in the same town I do and just had a baby. I will bet he tries to get Miami or Tampa Bay interested.

Both options are far better than Pittsburgh because Mitch has ZERO CHANCE at being the starter in Pittsburgh.

That ship has sailed. Permanently.

[K_C_]

...and there is a 0% chance Rudolph returns calls from the Steelers.....and he shouldn't.

[RemoAZ]

Well they'd be morons to want Rudolph back. He's a waste of a roster spot. The way they treated him this season I'd be shocked if they even gave him an exit interview. Trubisky is fine for a backup if he'd accept it. That's the question. He's being paid enough so he should. They have to have someone and vet backups are getting paid a ton these days so I doubt they'd save very much by releasing him and signing someone else unless they signed a complete bum.

[steelmann58]

I am dumbfounded about what Art is doing. First he keeps Matt as the Oc and wants to keep Mitch at that Cap Hit. If the Steelers get someone to give them a draft pick move him asap.

[Pabst]

We'll see what ends up happening, but do people actually expect Art to say something like "Mitch sucks and we will cut him at the first opportunity"?

The diplomatic route is to say this now and three months later go "Aw shucks. It was a business decision and we wish him the best"

[stairway 2 seven]

I would say how can you have a starting QB still under his rookie contract while his backup is making between 7and 8 million dollars next year. Then again the Steelers paid Rudolph $5 million last year to be 3rd string and he never took a snap the entire season.

[Professor Half Wit]

Rudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.

I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.

But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.

If you are unable easily to come to terms with getting 4 large a year for playing back up QB in the NFL, you need a lot of therapy.

[K_C_]

My hope is, both Trubisky and Rudolph are elsewhere next season.

Sign anyone willing to be a mentor to Kenny, like Case Keenum or some asshole like that and draft Max Duggan late.

Problem solved and Duggan might surprise in the future.

[Quixotic]

Rudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.

I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.

But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.

If you are unable easily to come to terms with getting 4 large a year for playing back up QB in the NFL, you need a lot of therapy.

Backup quarterback in the NFL is one of the best jobs I can imagine. You’re on the team. You’re hanging with the guys. You’re watching film and participating in the strategic conversations. You’re almost never in a position to take a career-ending/life-threatening hit. You hold a clipboard while the other guy takes the hits. And you’re making a paycheck among the top one percent.

I get that those guys are pathologically competitive. But dude. Be Charlie Batch. Have a life. Get rich. Deal with it.

[Professor Half Wit]

Rudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.

I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.

But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.

If you are unable easily to come to terms with getting 4 large a year for playing back up QB in the NFL, you need a lot of therapy.

Backup quarterback in the NFL is one of the best jobs I can imagine. You’re on the team. You’re hanging with the guys. You’re watching film and participating in the strategic conversations. You’re almost never in a position to take a career-ending/life-threatening hit. You hold a clipboard while the other guy takes the hits. And you’re making a paycheck among the top one percent.

I get that those guys are pathologically competitive. But dude. Be Charlie Batch. Have a life. Get rich. Deal with it.

I think what makes a lot of the best pro-athletes great is that they are mistaken about what is best in life. They suppose being honored for their excellence and greatness is what is best, the confirmation from others of their own goodness. But it is the excellence itself that matters most, and not at being an athlete, either.

Give me 4 large at back up. I'm good.

/philo

[Mick]

I kinda see Trubisky in the same boat as Jack; maybe worth $4-6M; getting paid $8M for 2023 makes them cap targets. At the same time, there could be a thought that cutting players who are getting slightly overpaid for their worth isn’t so great when it means you lose the compensation picks you would get when they leave next year. Not a huge factor, but could suggest you want to err toward keeping guys.

[Deebo]

We'll see what ends up happening, but do people actually expect Art to say something like "Mitch sucks and we will cut him at the first opportunity"?

The diplomatic route is to say this now and three months later go "Aw shucks. It was a business decision and we wish him the best"

Ding ding.

What the fans want and what is best privately are often at odds. Because the fans don't have to face these dudes each day.

Harder to tell someone they suck in person vs on the interwebs

[Scunge]

I hope the Steelers don't cut Mitch, or trade him.

We saw how we just missed the playoffs, how one game could have made a difference. With even more critical concern over concussions and how easily your starting QB can be pulled from a game, you need a decent backup QB. Say what you want about Mitch, isn't he a top 5 backup? Top 3 backup QB?

If you cut Mitch, you still have to sign a backup QB, which means you probably are signing some other vet to a higher one year deal, or a two year deal which probably has more of a signing bonus. Isn't that going to quickly eat into your supposed $8 million savings that everyone is lusting over?

And this new backup QB is new to the team, new to the WRs, the O-line, the OC, etc.

Nah, I am good with keeping Mitch. Having an experienced backup QB who already has a year in Pittsburgh, and can come off the bench and win a critical game or two, is worth every penny.

[Pabst]

I hope the Steelers don't cut Mitch, or trade him.

We saw how we just missed the playoffs, how one game could have made a difference. With even more critical concern over concussions and how easily your starting QB can be pulled from a game, you need a decent backup QB. Say what you want about Mitch, isn't he a top 5 backup? Top 3 backup QB?

If you cut Mitch, you still have to sign a backup QB, which means you probably are signing some other vet to a higher one year deal, or a two year deal which probably has more of a signing bonus. Isn't that going to quickly eat into your supposed $8 million savings that everyone is lusting over?

And this new backup QB is new to the team, new to the WRs, the O-line, the OC, etc.

Nah, I am good with keeping Mitch. Having an experienced backup QB who already has a year in Pittsburgh, and can come off the bench and win a critical game or two, is worth every penny.

If you keep Mitch then he will be, by far, the highest paid backup in the league. His cap hit will be $10.65m. #2 is Tyrod Taylor at $6.9m.

2nd or 3rd best backup QB money is in the $5-6m range. Cutting Trubisky and signing an Andy Dalton or Colt McCoy (I'm just picking these names off the top of my head) is a wash skill-wise and still saves a few million

[Stillerz Bar]

I hope the Steelers don't cut Mitch, or trade him.

We saw how we just missed the playoffs, how one game could have made a difference. With even more critical concern over concussions and how easily your starting QB can be pulled from a game, you need a decent backup QB. Say what you want about Mitch, isn't he a top 5 backup? Top 3 backup QB?

If you cut Mitch, you still have to sign a backup QB, which means you probably are signing some other vet to a higher one year deal, or a two year deal which probably has more of a signing bonus. Isn't that going to quickly eat into your supposed $8 million savings that everyone is lusting over?

And this new backup QB is new to the team, new to the WRs, the O-line, the OC, etc.

Nah, I am good with keeping Mitch. Having an experienced backup QB who already has a year in Pittsburgh, and can come off the bench and win a critical game or two, is worth every penny.

If you keep Mitch then he will be, by far, the highest paid backup in the league. His cap hit will be $10.65m. #2 is Tyrod Taylor at $6.9m.

2nd or 3rd best backup QB money is in the $5-6m range. Cutting Trubisky and signing an Andy Dalton or Colt McCoy (I'm just picking these names off the top of my head) is a wash skill-wise and still saves a few million

Mitch has a salary cap hit of $10,625,000 but only $2,625,000 is dead money so a potential cap savings would be $8,000,000 if we cut him. On one hand, most team's backups cost less than $8M so we'd save money but what would we end up with?

Picket's cap # is only $3.2M so personally, I don't have a huge problem keeping Mitch as a somewhat solid backup. If we draft someone who beats him out as the # 2, great but if not, having your top two QB's cost under $13M combined isn't an unreasonable strain on our cap.

[K_C_]

I hope the Steelers don't cut Mitch, or trade him.

We saw how we just missed the playoffs, how one game could have made a difference. With even more critical concern over concussions and how easily your starting QB can be pulled from a game, you need a decent backup QB. Say what you want about Mitch, isn't he a top 5 backup? Top 3 backup QB?

If you cut Mitch, you still have to sign a backup QB, which means you probably are signing some other vet to a higher one year deal, or a two year deal which probably has more of a signing bonus. Isn't that going to quickly eat into your supposed $8 million savings that everyone is lusting over?

And this new backup QB is new to the team, new to the WRs, the O-line, the OC, etc.

Nah, I am good with keeping Mitch. Having an experienced backup QB who already has a year in Pittsburgh, and can come off the bench and win a critical game or two, is worth every penny.

Top 3 or 5 back up? Why?

I’ll give you that he was great against Tampa Bay and pretty good against Carolina, but dude was brutally awful vs the Ravens. Horrible.

I think Rudolph could have easily been just as good at a far cheaper price than Trubisky and zero doubt would have been a better starter at the beginning of the season. Hell, Charles Nelson Reilly would have been a better starter than Mitch.

Trubisky personally started this season off in disastrous fashion against the Bengals and I 100% blame him for Watt’s injury which basically ended any real playoff hopes in week 1.

[Mick]

To be fair to Trubisky, the pre-bye offense with him at QB was the same flavor of horrific awful it had been the year before with Ben and then after him with Pickett putting up 11.5 points/game over four pre-bye starts.

After the bye, the offense moved the ball well in both games with Trubisky. His accuracy was bad and he 100% cost us the game against the Ravens with the picks, but overall it looked to me like the pre-bye offensive problems had nothing to do with QB play.

[Pickett's Platoon]

$10 million is a lot to pay a backup.

We need to get some other bastards under contract like Larry O and Kazee, draft a QB or two w/ the 7th's or UDFA

[Pabst]

Mitch has a salary cap hit of $10,625,000 but only $2,625,000 is dead money so a potential cap savings would be $8,000,000 if we cut him. On one hand, most team's backups cost less than $8M so we'd save money but what would we end up with?

Picket's cap # is only $3.2M so personally, I don't have a huge problem keeping Mitch as a somewhat solid backup. If we draft someone who beats him out as the # 2, great but if not, having your top two QB's cost under $13M combined isn't an unreasonable strain on our cap.

All true points.

I definitely agree that cutting Trubisky purely as a cost cutting move doesn't make sense. That said, if that $3m (or whatever) in cap savings can go toward signing a D-lineman or CB, then he's gone.

[Charles Demarr]

If Mitch is cut/traded, I hope everyone is ready for Josh Dobbs as the backup next year.

[Louis Lipps Service]

I actually expect Mitch to demand either a trade or be released.

With the only possible exception being the drafting of Pickett (I’m optimistic, but need to see a big jump forward in year 2), we could not have botched the QB situation more than we did.

We promised two guys shots at a starting job, one was never given a chance at all, and the second was quickly ousted by a rookie. To be fair, Mitch should have probably anticipated us drafting a QB, but from some of the quotes I’ve seen from Mitch, I do think he was mislead when he signed on.

And that’s not even to mention the 7th round pick we used on a 4th QB who never even had a chance to make the roster in the first place, which still boggles my mind.

[Pabst]

I actually expect Mitch to demand either a trade or be released.

With the only possible exception being the drafting of Pickett (I’m optimistic, but need to see a big jump forward in year 2), we could not have botched the QB situation more than we did.

We promised two guys shots at a starting job, one was never given a chance at all, and the second was quickly ousted by a rookie. To be fair, Mitch should have probably anticipated us drafting a QB, but from some of the quotes I’ve seen from Mitch, I do think he was mislead when he signed on.

And that’s not even to mention the 7th round pick we used on a 4th QB who never even had a chance to make the roster in the first place, which still boggles my mind.

Have to disagree here. "Botching the QB situation" is what happened in Tennessee, Arizona, Houston, and maybe Baltimore.

Guys like Mitch Trubisky and Mason Rudolph were both given ample opportunities at the NFL level. Neither one established themselves as a starter, and neither one is in any position to dictate their terms to an NFL team. Neither one was going to be the long term answer at QB, and both are completely replaceable.

Focusing on Trubisky in particular, he's not going to get anywhere near $8m on the open market. Here's a list of upcoming UFAs at QB. There are loads of names on there, and they will all come with a lower price tag.

If you want to feel bad for him, feel bad that he blew his final shot at becoming a starter in the NFL.

I will agree on using a draft pick for Oladakun (sp?). Made no sense.

[COR-TEN]

I actually expect Mitch to demand either a trade or be released.

With the only possible exception being the drafting of Pickett (I’m optimistic, but need to see a big jump forward in year 2), we could not have botched the QB situation more than we did.

We promised two guys shots at a starting job, one was never given a chance at all, and the second was quickly ousted by a rookie. To be fair, Mitch should have probably anticipated us drafting a QB, but from some of the quotes I’ve seen from Mitch, I do think he was mislead when he signed on.

And that’s not even to mention the 7th round pick we used on a 4th QB who never even had a chance to make the roster in the first place, which still boggles my mind.

Have to disagree here. "Botching the QB situation" is what happened in Tennessee, Arizona, Houston, and maybe Baltimore.

Guys like Mitch Trubisky and Mason Rudolph were both given ample opportunities at the NFL level. Neither one established themselves as a starter, and neither one is in any position to dictate their terms to an NFL team. Neither one was going to be the long term answer at QB, and both are completely replaceable.

Focusing on Trubisky in particular, he's not going to get anywhere near $8m on the open market. Here's a list of upcoming UFAs at QB. There are loads of names on there, and they will all come with a lower price tag.

If you want to feel bad for him, feel bad that he blew his final shot at becoming a starter in the NFL.

I will agree on using a draft pick for Oladakun (sp?). Made no sense.

There aren't a whole lot of QB's on that list I'd want as a #2. Half suck and the other half don't have enough experience. And the ones I would take want to be a starter.

[Mick]

May have been hoping/expecting to get a draft pick for Rudolph in a trade and wanted depth to be there when he left; when that fell through, the Olakadun pick no longer made any sense. Less clear why we drafted him when apparently we had a mid round grade on Purdy. Did we specifically draft a lower rated QB on purpose?

[Orangesteel]

Where did you read we had a mid-round grade on Purdy?

[COR-TEN]

May have been hoping/expecting to get a draft pick for Rudolph in a trade and wanted depth to be there when he left; when that fell through, the Olakadun pick no longer made any sense. Less clear why we drafted him when apparently we had a mid round grade on Purdy. Did we specifically draft a lower rated QB on purpose?

Haskin's death really fucked whatever plan they had.