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Yep.K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Feb 05, 2023 11:48 pmThis shit concerns me.
Massively.
Rooney 2 is a fuckstick of massive proportions.
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Trubisky has said he wants to go someplace he will have a chance to start.Kodiak. wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:00 amRudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.
I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.
But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.
If you are unable easily to come to terms with getting 4 large a year for playing back up QB in the NFL, you need a lot of therapy.Kodiak. wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:00 amRudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.
I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.
But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.
Backup quarterback in the NFL is one of the best jobs I can imagine. You’re on the team. You’re hanging with the guys. You’re watching film and participating in the strategic conversations. You’re almost never in a position to take a career-ending/life-threatening hit. You hold a clipboard while the other guy takes the hits. And you’re making a paycheck among the top one percent.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:02 pmIf you are unable easily to come to terms with getting 4 large a year for playing back up QB in the NFL, you need a lot of therapy.Kodiak. wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:00 amRudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.
I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.
But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.
I think what makes a lot of the best pro-athletes great is that they are mistaken about what is best in life. They suppose being honored for their excellence and greatness is what is best, the confirmation from others of their own goodness. But it is the excellence itself that matters most, and not at being an athlete, either.Quixotic wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:43 pmBackup quarterback in the NFL is one of the best jobs I can imagine. You’re on the team. You’re hanging with the guys. You’re watching film and participating in the strategic conversations. You’re almost never in a position to take a career-ending/life-threatening hit. You hold a clipboard while the other guy takes the hits. And you’re making a paycheck among the top one percent.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 4:02 pmIf you are unable easily to come to terms with getting 4 large a year for playing back up QB in the NFL, you need a lot of therapy.Kodiak. wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:00 amRudolph probably won't even return their calls, at this point.
I'm guessing they are considering keeping Trubisky with no veteran or experienced backups. But more likely they're are trying to maximize trade value. Too bad Trubisky didn't show enough to warrant even an R5, and that contract probably makes him untradeable.
But there are a bunch of guys like Trubisky, Mayfield, etc that are probably done as starters and need to come to terms with $3-$4M per year as backups. And maybe that's what they're thinking with Trubisky, because the signing bonus is already a sunk cost.
I get that those guys are pathologically competitive. But dude. Be Charlie Batch. Have a life. Get rich. Deal with it.
Ding ding.Pabst wrote: ↑Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:17 pmWe'll see what ends up happening, but do people actually expect Art to say something like "Mitch sucks and we will cut him at the first opportunity"?
The diplomatic route is to say this now and three months later go "Aw shucks. It was a business decision and we wish him the best"
If you keep Mitch then he will be, by far, the highest paid backup in the league. His cap hit will be $10.65m. #2 is Tyrod Taylor at $6.9m.Scunge wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:15 amI hope the Steelers don't cut Mitch, or trade him.
We saw how we just missed the playoffs, how one game could have made a difference. With even more critical concern over concussions and how easily your starting QB can be pulled from a game, you need a decent backup QB. Say what you want about Mitch, isn't he a top 5 backup? Top 3 backup QB?
If you cut Mitch, you still have to sign a backup QB, which means you probably are signing some other vet to a higher one year deal, or a two year deal which probably has more of a signing bonus. Isn't that going to quickly eat into your supposed $8 million savings that everyone is lusting over?
And this new backup QB is new to the team, new to the WRs, the O-line, the OC, etc.
Nah, I am good with keeping Mitch. Having an experienced backup QB who already has a year in Pittsburgh, and can come off the bench and win a critical game or two, is worth every penny.
Mitch has a salary cap hit of $10,625,000 but only $2,625,000 is dead money so a potential cap savings would be $8,000,000 if we cut him. On one hand, most team's backups cost less than $8M so we'd save money but what would we end up with?Pabst wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:28 amIf you keep Mitch then he will be, by far, the highest paid backup in the league. His cap hit will be $10.65m. #2 is Tyrod Taylor at $6.9m.Scunge wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:15 amI hope the Steelers don't cut Mitch, or trade him.
We saw how we just missed the playoffs, how one game could have made a difference. With even more critical concern over concussions and how easily your starting QB can be pulled from a game, you need a decent backup QB. Say what you want about Mitch, isn't he a top 5 backup? Top 3 backup QB?
If you cut Mitch, you still have to sign a backup QB, which means you probably are signing some other vet to a higher one year deal, or a two year deal which probably has more of a signing bonus. Isn't that going to quickly eat into your supposed $8 million savings that everyone is lusting over?
And this new backup QB is new to the team, new to the WRs, the O-line, the OC, etc.
Nah, I am good with keeping Mitch. Having an experienced backup QB who already has a year in Pittsburgh, and can come off the bench and win a critical game or two, is worth every penny.
2nd or 3rd best backup QB money is in the $5-6m range. Cutting Trubisky and signing an Andy Dalton or Colt McCoy (I'm just picking these names off the top of my head) is a wash skill-wise and still saves a few million
Top 3 or 5 back up? Why?Scunge wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 1:15 amI hope the Steelers don't cut Mitch, or trade him.
We saw how we just missed the playoffs, how one game could have made a difference. With even more critical concern over concussions and how easily your starting QB can be pulled from a game, you need a decent backup QB. Say what you want about Mitch, isn't he a top 5 backup? Top 3 backup QB?
If you cut Mitch, you still have to sign a backup QB, which means you probably are signing some other vet to a higher one year deal, or a two year deal which probably has more of a signing bonus. Isn't that going to quickly eat into your supposed $8 million savings that everyone is lusting over?
And this new backup QB is new to the team, new to the WRs, the O-line, the OC, etc.
Nah, I am good with keeping Mitch. Having an experienced backup QB who already has a year in Pittsburgh, and can come off the bench and win a critical game or two, is worth every penny.
All true points.Stillerz Bar wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:22 amMitch has a salary cap hit of $10,625,000 but only $2,625,000 is dead money so a potential cap savings would be $8,000,000 if we cut him. On one hand, most team's backups cost less than $8M so we'd save money but what would we end up with?
Picket's cap # is only $3.2M so personally, I don't have a huge problem keeping Mitch as a somewhat solid backup. If we draft someone who beats him out as the # 2, great but if not, having your top two QB's cost under $13M combined isn't an unreasonable strain on our cap.
Have to disagree here. "Botching the QB situation" is what happened in Tennessee, Arizona, Houston, and maybe Baltimore.Louis Lipps Service wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:04 pmI actually expect Mitch to demand either a trade or be released.
With the only possible exception being the drafting of Pickett (I’m optimistic, but need to see a big jump forward in year 2), we could not have botched the QB situation more than we did.
We promised two guys shots at a starting job, one was never given a chance at all, and the second was quickly ousted by a rookie. To be fair, Mitch should have probably anticipated us drafting a QB, but from some of the quotes I’ve seen from Mitch, I do think he was mislead when he signed on.
And that’s not even to mention the 7th round pick we used on a 4th QB who never even had a chance to make the roster in the first place, which still boggles my mind.
There aren't a whole lot of QB's on that list I'd want as a #2. Half suck and the other half don't have enough experience. And the ones I would take want to be a starter.Pabst wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:48 pmHave to disagree here. "Botching the QB situation" is what happened in Tennessee, Arizona, Houston, and maybe Baltimore.Louis Lipps Service wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:04 pmI actually expect Mitch to demand either a trade or be released.
With the only possible exception being the drafting of Pickett (I’m optimistic, but need to see a big jump forward in year 2), we could not have botched the QB situation more than we did.
We promised two guys shots at a starting job, one was never given a chance at all, and the second was quickly ousted by a rookie. To be fair, Mitch should have probably anticipated us drafting a QB, but from some of the quotes I’ve seen from Mitch, I do think he was mislead when he signed on.
And that’s not even to mention the 7th round pick we used on a 4th QB who never even had a chance to make the roster in the first place, which still boggles my mind.
Guys like Mitch Trubisky and Mason Rudolph were both given ample opportunities at the NFL level. Neither one established themselves as a starter, and neither one is in any position to dictate their terms to an NFL team. Neither one was going to be the long term answer at QB, and both are completely replaceable.
Focusing on Trubisky in particular, he's not going to get anywhere near $8m on the open market. Here's a list of upcoming UFAs at QB. There are loads of names on there, and they will all come with a lower price tag.
If you want to feel bad for him, feel bad that he blew his final shot at becoming a starter in the NFL.
I will agree on using a draft pick for Oladakun (sp?). Made no sense.
Haskin's death really fucked whatever plan they had.Mick wrote: ↑Tue Feb 07, 2023 5:56 pmMay have been hoping/expecting to get a draft pick for Rudolph in a trade and wanted depth to be there when he left; when that fell through, the Olakadun pick no longer made any sense. Less clear why we drafted him when apparently we had a mid round grade on Purdy. Did we specifically draft a lower rated QB on purpose?