Pickett's Ceiling???

[stillthere]

I am sort of interested in where people see his ceiling currently. Does someone say Chad Pennington? Mark Sanchez? Rich Gannon? Deshon Kizer? Tom Brady? Bobby Herbert?

I am interested in what traits maybe people see? Is it clutch in the 4th Joe Montana? Will it be Mike Tomczak? Neil O'Donnell?

[Smashmouth21]

I’ll give it about 4 more responses before this thread goes off the rails. I will not likely partake after this post but…

We have no idea yet how good KP8 can or will be. He’s not as toolsy as some but neither was Tom Brady. But for a ceiling I’ll say Rich Gannon.

Edit: I just realized you listed Gannon as an option too but I responded without even noticing that.

[TTP]

Alex Smith

[Texas Black & Gold]

I think it is too soon to tell.

But I do recall a certain QB that struggled mightily the first few years in the league and even got benched. Would have been crucified on this board but went on to win 4 SBs.

None other than the original TB12.

I wish KP8 all the luck in the world.

[Orangesteel]

Ceiling is Bubby Brister or absolute best case scenario is Andy Dalton.

[stillthere]

Alex Smith

He got fucked when his leg shattered in DC.
So far I can see that though.
He never took a kill shot. I think Kenny starts to make jumps with the running game improvement. If not, he will have 1 more year to prove his shit before the 5th year option has to be declared. I think it will work out well for us.

[tbsteel]

Through 22 games, there is nothing in his play or development so far that is anything beyond what a solid NFL backup quarterback could do.

I would say his ceiling at this point is the same. So... Tyler Thigpen? Chase Daniel? Jake Locker?

So far, he is an inaccurate, one-read/pre-determined, limitedly talented quarterback. He doesn't make anyone around him better.

He is not a long-term starter in the NFL. His future is this league is a solid backup QB that can come in and not lose you games, and may be able to make a play or two late to win it if the game is still in reach.

[955876]

I think it is too soon to tell.

But I do recall a certain QB that struggled mightily the first few years in the league and even got benched. Would have been crucified on this board but went on to win 4 SBs.

None other than the original TB12.

I wish KP8 all the luck in the world.

Not the best example. And while he would have gotten crucified had message boards existed back then, he also had physical tools KP can only dream of that were readily apparent.

“Outlier” talent if you will.

So while he made plenty of mistakes, he also had gifts that made him very special. And it was obvious.

I’ve tried and tried and haven’t been able to see a special trait yet in KP.

You didn’t have to try with Terry.

Nor with Ben. It was just apparent.

I’m squinting real hard with KP to see something.

How good will he be? What’s his ceiling?

I dunno. Whatever it is hopefully it’s a lot better than this

[CKSteeler]

The thing that doesn't bode well for Pickett is he doesn't see the field well. And his accuracy is all over the place.

You can thrive without "outlier" talent, but it's real hard to do so without those two things.

[K_C_]

Hopefully, with Freiermuth back, they throw to the middle of the field more now that Pickett actually has a threat there.

Offense will be at full strength basically for the first time since week 1.

....but whatever Pickett does, folks are going to bitch even after he beats the Browns and Bengals in consecutive weeks.

Running TD's don't count.

Only passing TD's matter.

[Deebo]

Alex Smith

I think this is the correct answer at the moment.

But time will certainly tell if that changes to Kirk Cousins or Ryan Tannehill

[jebrick]

I am sort of interested in where people see his ceiling currently. Does someone say Chad Pennington? Mark Sanchez? Rich Gannon? Deshon Kizer? Tom Brady? Bobby Herbert?

I am interested in what traits maybe people see? Is it clutch in the 4th Joe Montana? Will it be Mike Tomczak? Neil O'Donnell?

Garner Minshew

[jebrick]

He is not a long-term starter in the NFL. His future is this league is a solid backup QB that can come in and not lose you games, and may be able to make a play or two late to win it if the game is still in reach.

This was my take on him before the draft. He will be a well respected backup for several teams.

[jeemie]

I think it is too soon to tell.

But I do recall a certain QB that struggled mightily the first few years in the league and even got benched. Would have been crucified on this board but went on to win 4 SBs.

None other than the original TB12.

I wish KP8 all the luck in the world.

Would you guys please stop with these ridiculous comparisons?

Yes- Terry struggled mightily. Yes he was benched and if circumstances had been just a tad different, he may have actually washed out with Pitsburgh.

But the natural raw talent he had was at least 10x the natural raw talent Kenny Pickett has. It's not even close.

Kenny might eventually get his head screwed on straight and start reading defenses with at least a modicum of NFL ability and he STILL likely won't succeed at the level of Bradshaw.

And same with the comparisons to Ben. Yes their aggregate stats were similar, but Ben was setting YPA records as a rookie and Kenny struggles to complete a pass more then 5 yards down the field.

Ben was way more explosive and we all know it.

So please just stop it already.

[K_C_]

I think it is too soon to tell.

But I do recall a certain QB that struggled mightily the first few years in the league and even got benched. Would have been crucified on this board but went on to win 4 SBs.

None other than the original TB12.

I wish KP8 all the luck in the world.

Would you guys please stop with these ridiculous comparisons?

Yes- Terry struggled mightily. Yes he was benched and if circumstances had been just a tad different, he may have actually washed out with Pitsburgh.

But the natural raw talent he had was at least 10x the natural raw talent Kenny Pickett has. It's not even close.

Kenny might eventually get his head screwed on straight and start reading defenses with at least a modicum on FNL ability and he STILL likely won't succeed at the level of Bradshaw.

And same with the comparisons to Ben. Yes their aggregate stats were similar, but Ben was setting YPA records as a rookie and Kenny struggles to complete a pass more then 5 yards down the field.

Ben was way more explosive and we all know it.

So please just stop it already.

Obviously Kenny Pickett isn’t going to be Ben Roethlisberger. None of us are going to see another Roethlisberger in our fucking lifetimes.

But Pickett can still be a good QB and a winner. Ben had, when he entered the league, a shit ton of advantages that Kenny doesn’t. 8 or 9 Pro Bowlers Ben’s rookie year. Tremendous veteran leadership from guys like Aaron Smith, Alan Faneca, Farrior, Bettis and Ward.

Much better coaching on all levels.

In this offense as it is currently constructed, Pickett is fucked. He’ll, 95% of NFL QB’s trying to run this ultra conservative offense would be fucked.

But the kid normally balls out when called upon late, which is Canada/Tomlin’s modus operandi.

Keep it close and try to win late in game with either the defense or Pickett doing enough to win.

So far it’s working.

[Texas Black & Gold]

I think it is too soon to tell.

But I do recall a certain QB that struggled mightily the first few years in the league and even got benched. Would have been crucified on this board but went on to win 4 SBs.

None other than the original TB12.

I wish KP8 all the luck in the world.

Would you guys please stop with these ridiculous comparisons?

Yes- Terry struggled mightily. Yes he was benched and if circumstances had been just a tad different, he may have actually washed out with Pitsburgh.

But the natural raw talent he had was at least 10x the natural raw talent Kenny Pickett has. It's not even close.

Kenny might eventually get his head screwed on straight and start reading defenses with at least a modicum on FNL ability and he STILL likely won't succeed at the level of Bradshaw.

And same with the comparisons to Ben. Yes their aggregate stats were similar, but Ben was setting YPA records as a rookie and Kenny struggles to complete a pass more then 5 yards down the field.

Ben was way more explosive and we all know it.

So please just stop it already.

The only reason I bring up TB12 and now Ben is to emphasize that it takes time and/or "luck" to find or develop a quality QB. For decades before TB12 and more than a decade with 5 or 6 starting QBs before Ben.

Some patience is required to get the quality QB needed in the NFL. Whether it is KP8 or some other future draft pick remains to be seen. This is Tomlin's first bite at the apple trying to find a QB to fill the position long term. Cowher had several shots until Ben arrived. Knoll was the only one that got it right on his first try. But it did take some time.

KP8 has the rest of this season and probably all of next season to meet expectations, unless a proven TB12 or Ben with "natural abilities" appears on the scene. I am sure there are goals and milestones that KP8 must achieve in order for him to keep his job.

I am not trying to say KP8 will be Terry or Ben. Just trying to say patience is needed. Especially when the team is still winning.

[anpsteel]

I think it is too soon to tell.

But I do recall a certain QB that struggled mightily the first few years in the league and even got benched. Would have been crucified on this board but went on to win 4 SBs.

None other than the original TB12.

I wish KP8 all the luck in the world.

Not the best example. And while he would have gotten crucified had message boards existed back then, he also had physical tools KP can only dream of that were readily apparent.

“Outlier” talent if you will.

So while he made plenty of mistakes, he also had gifts that made him very special. And it was obvious.

I’ve tried and tried and haven’t been able to see a special trait yet in KP.

You didn’t have to try with Terry.

Nor with Ben. It was just apparent.

I’m squinting real hard with KP to see something.

How good will he be? What’s his ceiling?

I dunno. Whatever it is hopefully it’s a lot better than this

I was about to type almost exactly this.

Terry had an absolute Cannon for an arm and was as tough as they come.


The things I thought I originally saw in Pickett, namely accuracy, seem to have gone away. I think he's lost that skill in a trade off for added velocity.

IMO, if you don't have the powerful arm, you have to make up for it by being very smart on the field, identifying coverage, great at anticipation throws, and have excellent vision / field awareness.

Kenny has not show those abilities at this point.

Bubby has been mentioned as a ceiling, and right now I don't even see that.

Bubby was fearless and tough as shit, for a dude his size.

[Jobu]

Bradshaw came into the league over half a century ago. Different time, different rules, different mindset. Financials, no free agency. There was an unwritten rule that drafted QBs needed 3-4-5 years of percolating on the bench before they were ready to take over.
No such luxury nowadays. Most teams play their new QBs as soon as possible. Decisions to move on or not are made in a few seasons, for obvious reasons. Who’s to say how things play out with KP, but we know that the Steelers love their old fashioned Steelers Way of operating.
I’m fairly certain Pickett gets the 5th year option, and a C2 isn’t out of the question even if he continues to play as he is now.

[955876]

Bradshaw came into the league over half a century ago. Different time, different rules, different mindset.

Was on my mind as well when I responded and then ended up forgetting to leave this part out.

Mostly, it’s easier today to be a QB than it was then. Guys get to the league now more ready than they’ve ever been to play the position.

Massive amount of tools and tech they have been able to use to get ready.

That, and didn’t KP have an extra year which made him even more NFL ready supposedly??

[bradshaw2ben]

Hopefully, with Freiermuth back, they throw to the middle of the field more now that Pickett actually has a threat there.

Offense will be at full strength basically for the first time since week 1.

....but whatever Pickett does, folks are going to bitch even after he beats the Browns and Bengals in consecutive weeks.

Running TD's don't count.

Only passing TD's matter.

Next Gen Stats doesn't have a complete workup on Freiermuth's 2023, but IIRC Pat has exactly 1 catch inside the numbers and beyond 10 yards in the past year. He has a couple at or just outside the numbers but basically, even he doesn't work inside and intermediate.

[bradshaw2ben]

I've been watching football since the 1960s. I maintain that you can see when a QB has "it". Now, they may not be consistently successful early, and they may have flaws that doom their innate ability to play QB in the NFL--a ridiculously tough job--but you can see some magic in what they do when they're in the pocket and bullets are flying. You either see their preternatural calm and vision for the field under duress or at least some outlier tools to clue you in that they could be special.

I think the mere fact you have to squint to see it tells you the answer. Now, a QB who doesn't scream "it" might develop over time to be a good pro and maybe even a solid caretaker of a solid team ISO a superstar QB.

I said from the beginning that the guy he reminded me of was Maddox. Came into Denver at the age Pickett was when he was a Junior at Pitt. Showed occasional flashes (I lived in Denver then and saw him play) but was just not it, so they moved on after two years. It would totally not shock me if--and that's a big IF-- Pickett deteriorates in PIT and moves on... he could emerge somewhere and spark a team with his competitiveness and ability to rally late. Maybe a team that lets him throw the ball and make mistakes?

I think Pickett needs to be bolder, make mistakes from inside the pocket, learn from them... that is if he wants to develop and have a chance at being more than barely adequate. That's what Maddox did in the XFL. Played IDGAF football at fairly low stakes. Built some swagger.

Free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of.

[K_C_]

I've been watching football since the 1960s. I maintain that you can see when a QB has "it". Now, they may not be consistently successful early, and they may have flaws that doom their innate ability to play QB in the NFL--a ridiculously tough job--but you can see some magic in what they do when they're in the pocket and bullets are flying. You either see their preternatural calm and vision for the field under duress or at least some outlier tools to clue you in that they could be special.

I think the mere fact you have to squint to see it tells you the answer. Now, a QB who doesn't scream "it" might develop over time to be a good pro and maybe even a solid caretaker of a solid team ISO a superstar QB.

I said from the beginning that the guy he reminded me of was Maddox. Came into Denver at the age Pickett was when he was a Junior at Pitt. Showed occasional flashes (I lived in Denver then and saw him play) but was just not it, so they moved on after two years. It would totally not shock me if--and that's a big IF-- Pickett deteriorates in PIT and moves on... he could emerge somewhere and spark a team with his competitiveness and ability to rally late. Maybe a team that lets him throw the ball and make mistakes?

I think Pickett needs to be bolder, make mistakes from inside the pocket, learn from them... that is if he wants to develop and have a chance at being more than barely adequate. That's what Maddox did in the XFL. Played IDGAF football at fairly low stakes. Built some swagger.

Free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of.

Everything you're saying makes sense, but the Steelers aren't going to "free Pickett."

They are winning with Pickett throwing short passes (normally after 2 unsuccessful runs...I'm not being facetious) and with the defense making big plays or Pickett having to drive the entire field to win games late.

Even Ben at the end of his career might have had a little more freedom than Kenny in Canada's offense, but not much more. Everybody bitched about this offense when Ben had to run it until Roethlisberger was tasked with having to win the game late if the Steelers were down.

That's how this is going to play out.

Tomlin is only going to "free Pickett" when the Steelers are down 17-0 or something like that. This offense (and basically the entire team) is built to keep games close.

Like it or not, that's how Mike Tomlin wants it.

[Deebo]

I've been watching football since the 1960s. I maintain that you can see when a QB has "it". Now, they may not be consistently successful early, and they may have flaws that doom their innate ability to play QB in the NFL--a ridiculously tough job--but you can see some magic in what they do when they're in the pocket and bullets are flying. You either see their preternatural calm and vision for the field under duress or at least some outlier tools to clue you in that they could be special.

I think the mere fact you have to squint to see it tells you the answer. Now, a QB who doesn't scream "it" might develop over time to be a good pro and maybe even a solid caretaker of a solid team ISO a superstar QB.

I said from the beginning that the guy he reminded me of was Maddox. Came into Denver at the age Pickett was when he was a Junior at Pitt. Showed occasional flashes (I lived in Denver then and saw him play) but was just not it, so they moved on after two years. It would totally not shock me if--and that's a big IF-- Pickett deteriorates in PIT and moves on... he could emerge somewhere and spark a team with his competitiveness and ability to rally late. Maybe a team that lets him throw the ball and make mistakes?

I think Pickett needs to be bolder, make mistakes from inside the pocket, learn from them... that is if he wants to develop and have a chance at being more than barely adequate. That's what Maddox did in the XFL. Played IDGAF football at fairly low stakes. Built some swagger.

Free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of.

I've said this same thing a billion times: no matter what walk of life or discipline you choose, there is no growth without pain.
When you work out and your muscles are sore- that's a good thing. Those are your muscle fibers tearing and making way for bigger and stronger ones

KP (well the HC and OC) haven't experienced any pain. Yes there have been stretches where he's looked dreadful, but the exercise he was doing was the same check down/safe throw bullshit that he just failed to execute.

I want to see KP throw inside the numbers. I want to see him chuck it around for 35+ passes. This is where true growth occurs.
But Tomlin won't allow it. Hence, this is the KP we'll always see bc he's not being challenged enough.

<end rant>

[Texas Black & Gold]

I've been watching football since the 1960s. I maintain that you can see when a QB has "it". Now, they may not be consistently successful early, and they may have flaws that doom their innate ability to play QB in the NFL--a ridiculously tough job--but you can see some magic in what they do when they're in the pocket and bullets are flying. You either see their preternatural calm and vision for the field under duress or at least some outlier tools to clue you in that they could be special.

I think the mere fact you have to squint to see it tells you the answer. Now, a QB who doesn't scream "it" might develop over time to be a good pro and maybe even a solid caretaker of a solid team ISO a superstar QB.

I said from the beginning that the guy he reminded me of was Maddox. Came into Denver at the age Pickett was when he was a Junior at Pitt. Showed occasional flashes (I lived in Denver then and saw him play) but was just not it, so they moved on after two years. It would totally not shock me if--and that's a big IF-- Pickett deteriorates in PIT and moves on... he could emerge somewhere and spark a team with his competitiveness and ability to rally late. Maybe a team that lets him throw the ball and make mistakes?

I think Pickett needs to be bolder, make mistakes from inside the pocket, learn from them... that is if he wants to develop and have a chance at being more than barely adequate. That's what Maddox did in the XFL. Played IDGAF football at fairly low stakes. Built some swagger.

Free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of.

When do QBs get to call there own plays? Specifically KP? Or is that what you mean by "free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of."

[langer]

I saw Kenny coming out of the tunnel a couple of games ago. He was just standing there, and no one around him. He seemed to keep to himself.

I haven't been very reassured watching his body language. There's no fire with this guy. I would have expected a brawl on the sidelines, something, anything.

He needs a bit of Marino and Ben in his personality. He's on the path to a one-way ticket to palookaville.

His ceiling is Mitch Trubisky at this point. Yet another first round washout.

He can stop that from happening, but that would require fighting the system. If they system has placed him in the collective, it's over Johnny.

The NFL has a serious QB problem.

[K_C_]

I saw Kenny coming out of the tunnel a couple of games ago. He was just standing there, and no one around him. He seemed to keep to himself.

I haven't been very reassured watching his body language. There's no fire with this guy. I would have expected a brawl on the sidelines, something, anything.

He needs a bit of Marino and Ben in his personality. He's on the path to a one-way ticket to palookaville.

His ceiling is Mitch Trubisky at this point. Yet another first round washout.

He can stop that from happening, but that would require fighting the system. If they system has placed him in the collective, it's over Johnny.

The NFL has a serious QB problem.

Hang on.

Ben didn't say shit when having to endure the Matt Canada offense.

Much like Pickett, you could tell Ben hated running this offense, but he didn't bitch. He didn't throw any fits.

Ben might bitch about Canada now, with the safety of his podcast, but he didn't say ANYTHING when he was playing under Tomlin and Canada.

I used to complain right here that Ben, with his fucking HALL OF FAME RESUME (which Pickett obviously doesn't have) should have been far, far more vocal about his hatred of the Matt Canada offense.

But nope, Ben remained a good soldier.

[Jobu]

I've been watching football since the 1960s. I maintain that you can see when a QB has "it". Now, they may not be consistently successful early, and they may have flaws that doom their innate ability to play QB in the NFL--a ridiculously tough job--but you can see some magic in what they do when they're in the pocket and bullets are flying. You either see their preternatural calm and vision for the field under duress or at least some outlier tools to clue you in that they could be special.

I think the mere fact you have to squint to see it tells you the answer. Now, a QB who doesn't scream "it" might develop over time to be a good pro and maybe even a solid caretaker of a solid team ISO a superstar QB.

I said from the beginning that the guy he reminded me of was Maddox. Came into Denver at the age Pickett was when he was a Junior at Pitt. Showed occasional flashes (I lived in Denver then and saw him play) but was just not it, so they moved on after two years. It would totally not shock me if--and that's a big IF-- Pickett deteriorates in PIT and moves on... he could emerge somewhere and spark a team with his competitiveness and ability to rally late. Maybe a team that lets him throw the ball and make mistakes?

I think Pickett needs to be bolder, make mistakes from inside the pocket, learn from them... that is if he wants to develop and have a chance at being more than barely adequate. That's what Maddox did in the XFL. Played IDGAF football at fairly low stakes. Built some swagger.

Free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of.

When do QBs get to call there own plays? Specifically KP? Or is that what you mean by "free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of."

With very few exceptions, QBs do not call their own plays in todays NFL.
Hell, if the reports are true, 18 year vet Ben Roethlisberger wasn’t even permitted to audible in his final season.

[K_C_]

I've been watching football since the 1960s. I maintain that you can see when a QB has "it". Now, they may not be consistently successful early, and they may have flaws that doom their innate ability to play QB in the NFL--a ridiculously tough job--but you can see some magic in what they do when they're in the pocket and bullets are flying. You either see their preternatural calm and vision for the field under duress or at least some outlier tools to clue you in that they could be special.

I think the mere fact you have to squint to see it tells you the answer. Now, a QB who doesn't scream "it" might develop over time to be a good pro and maybe even a solid caretaker of a solid team ISO a superstar QB.

I said from the beginning that the guy he reminded me of was Maddox. Came into Denver at the age Pickett was when he was a Junior at Pitt. Showed occasional flashes (I lived in Denver then and saw him play) but was just not it, so they moved on after two years. It would totally not shock me if--and that's a big IF-- Pickett deteriorates in PIT and moves on... he could emerge somewhere and spark a team with his competitiveness and ability to rally late. Maybe a team that lets him throw the ball and make mistakes?

I think Pickett needs to be bolder, make mistakes from inside the pocket, learn from them... that is if he wants to develop and have a chance at being more than barely adequate. That's what Maddox did in the XFL. Played IDGAF football at fairly low stakes. Built some swagger.

Free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of.

When do QBs get to call there own plays? Specifically KP? Or is that what you mean by "free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of."

With very few exceptions, QBs do not call their own plays in todays NFL.
Hell, if the reports are true, 18 year vet Ben Roethlisberger wasn’t even permitted to audible in his final season.

.....and there it is.

Soon to be Hall of Famer Ben Roethlisberger wasn't fucking allowed to audible in Matt Canada and Mike Tomlin's ultra conservative offense, but folks around here expect them to "free Pickett" so he can start throwing the ball around the field so we can see if Pickett can be a gunslinger.

THAT. ISN'T. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

[Orangesteel]

I saw Kenny coming out of the tunnel a couple of games ago. He was just standing there, and no one around him. He seemed to keep to himself.

I haven't been very reassured watching his body language. There's no fire with this guy. I would have expected a brawl on the sidelines, something, anything.

He needs a bit of Marino and Ben in his personality. He's on the path to a one-way ticket to palookaville.

His ceiling is Mitch Trubisky at this point. Yet another first round washout.

He can stop that from happening, but that would require fighting the system. If they system has placed him in the collective, it's over Johnny.

The NFL has a serious QB problem.

He’s lost his moxie. It’s clear as day. Maybe he’s reading too much on social media about what people think of his performance. There is a ton of pressure on him; even more so now that we are a game out of first place. I personally love it. Pickett wasn’t given Ben’s natural talents. I don’t fault him for having to be the guy that follows a Hall of Fame career. But as is the case in life (right, Deebo?), some have to climb a steeper mountain to make it to the top.

Kenny was overdrafted and his value was way overhyped given he went to Pitt and “played in the same building”. Not his fault but he will be 26 at the start of next season so it’s time to prove it.

[jebrick]

I've been watching football since the 1960s. I maintain that you can see when a QB has "it". Now, they may not be consistently successful early, and they may have flaws that doom their innate ability to play QB in the NFL--a ridiculously tough job--but you can see some magic in what they do when they're in the pocket and bullets are flying. You either see their preternatural calm and vision for the field under duress or at least some outlier tools to clue you in that they could be special.

I think the mere fact you have to squint to see it tells you the answer. Now, a QB who doesn't scream "it" might develop over time to be a good pro and maybe even a solid caretaker of a solid team ISO a superstar QB.

I said from the beginning that the guy he reminded me of was Maddox. Came into Denver at the age Pickett was when he was a Junior at Pitt. Showed occasional flashes (I lived in Denver then and saw him play) but was just not it, so they moved on after two years. It would totally not shock me if--and that's a big IF-- Pickett deteriorates in PIT and moves on... he could emerge somewhere and spark a team with his competitiveness and ability to rally late. Maybe a team that lets him throw the ball and make mistakes?

I think Pickett needs to be bolder, make mistakes from inside the pocket, learn from them... that is if he wants to develop and have a chance at being more than barely adequate. That's what Maddox did in the XFL. Played IDGAF football at fairly low stakes. Built some swagger.

Free Kenny to fail and let's see what he's made of.

I've said this same thing a billion times: no matter what walk of life or discipline you choose, there is no growth without pain.
When you work out and your muscles are sore- that's a good thing. Those are your muscle fibers tearing and making way for bigger and stronger ones

KP (well the HC and OC) haven't experienced any pain. Yes there have been stretches where he's looked dreadful, but the exercise he was doing was the same check down/safe throw bullshit that he just failed to execute.

I saw that Fittipaldo said that the offense is like it is because they do not trust KP. If that is true ( big grain of salt), they they need to draft a QB in the 1st round in 2024. You can't go forward with a QB you do not trust to make the plays/reads.

I want to see KP throw inside the numbers. I want to see him chuck it around for 35+ passes. This is where true growth occurs.
But Tomlin won't allow it. Hence, this is the KP we'll always see bc he's not being challenged enough.

<end rant>

I do see that they run routes to the middle of the field and those routes are, many times, NFL open. KP is not reading or wanting to throw those routes. When the Pack were playing single high safety to try to stop the run in the 2nd half, they did not try to just chuck it at Pickens. That is crazy. Any time you have Pickens single covered you throw him the ball.

I did see where Fittipaldi said that the offense is like it is because they do not trust KP. If this is true ( big grain of salt), they need to draft a QB in the 1st round and move on. You can't have a QB that you do not trust to make the plays/reads.