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Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:19 am
by RemoAZ
LB
Payton Wilson
6'4"
233 lbs
NC State
Pre-Draft Analysis
Wilson is a sideline-to-sideline defender who finished his college career with 402 tackles and ran the fastest 40-yard dash out of all the linebackers at the combine (4.43). He gets to depth, shows good instincts and breaks on the ball well in coverage. And he has the traits to match up with tight ends and backs. Wilson finished his college career with seven interceptions and 20 passes defended. He also finished with a career-high six sacks in 2023, and his burst makes him a threat to get to the quarterback when he rushes. -- Steve Muench
Matt Miller's pro comp: Leighton Vander Esch
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:22 am
by jewelsongs
What a draft!
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:25 am
by Stosh-67
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/payton-wi ... a7cad134d0
Short Balldinger video.
Said will go between 37 and 65.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:36 am
by Gonzo
great pick - but they say his medical report says possible short career ?
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:52 am
by LakecrestSteeler
RemoAZ wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:19 am
LB
Payton Wilson
6'4"
233 lbs
NC State
Pre-Draft Analysis
Wilson is a sideline-to-sideline defender who finished his college career with 402 tackles and ran the fastest 40-yard dash out of all the linebackers at the combine (4.43). He gets to depth, shows good instincts and breaks on the ball well in coverage. And he has the traits to match up with tight ends and backs. Wilson finished his college career with seven interceptions and 20 passes defended. He also finished with a career-high six sacks in 2023, and his burst makes him a threat to get to the quarterback when he rushes. -- Steve Muench
Matt Miller's pro comp: Leighton Vander Esch
Looks like a great athlete…cross between Watt and Herbig. Looks good on returns and fake punts.
https://youtu.be/svI6klAkLcc?si=-imumSjTKHph9Mi_
Looks like we can use him inside or on the edge. Should start week 1 on the inside with that speed?
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:40 am
by TimmayLake
Fast, instinctive. Not a hitter though. More of a grab and wrap tackler.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:57 am
by RemoAZ
TimmayLake wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:40 am
Fast, instinctive. Not a hitter though. More of a grab and wrap tackler.
That's about all that's legal now.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:58 am
by Mick
RemoAZ wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:57 am
TimmayLake wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:40 am
Fast, instinctive. Not a hitter though. More of a grab and wrap tackler.
That's about all that's legal now.
wrapping to pull down is hip drop. Not legal.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:34 pm
by bradshaw2ben
I think they picked a guy with medical flags but why the hell not at this stage and with this LB class? Considering the type of LB they seem to favor (downhill burst), they could have--and likely would have in the old days--picked far worse than this.
Setting his health aside, I think he is a player who pops when you watch his games and bare minimum will be a terrific STs guy. If he's more than that and has a career longer than a year or two, huge win.
This is exactly the kind of home run swing you're supposed to take.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:33 pm
by TimmayLake
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:34 pm
I think they picked a guy with medical flags but why the hell not at this stage and with this LB class? Considering the type of LB they seem to favor (downhill burst), they could have--and likely would have in the old days--picked far worse than this.
Setting his health aside, I think he is a player who pops when you watch his games and bare minimum will be a terrific STs guy.
If he's more than that and has a career longer than a year or two, huge win.
This is exactly the kind of home run swing you're supposed to take.
You'd be happy if a 3rd round pick only has a 1 or 2 year career? I feel like that might be the expectation for a 7th rounder...not a 3rd.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:31 pm
by daikyu
No you should be happy if the 7th rounder makes the team.
TimmayLake wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:33 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:34 pm
I think they picked a guy with medical flags but why the hell not at this stage and with this LB class? Considering the type of LB they seem to favor (downhill burst), they could have--and likely would have in the old days--picked far worse than this.
Setting his health aside, I think he is a player who pops when you watch his games and bare minimum will be a terrific STs guy.
If he's more than that and has a career longer than a year or two, huge win.
This is exactly the kind of home run swing you're supposed to take.
You'd be happy if a 3rd round pick only has a 1 or 2 year career? I feel like that might be the expectation for a 7th rounder...not a 3rd.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:36 pm
by Professor Half Wit
TimmayLake wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:33 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:34 pm
I think they picked a guy with medical flags but why the hell not at this stage and with this LB class? Considering the type of LB they seem to favor (downhill burst), they could have--and likely would have in the old days--picked far worse than this.
Setting his health aside, I think he is a player who pops when you watch his games and bare minimum will be a terrific STs guy.
If he's more than that and has a career longer than a year or two, huge win.
This is exactly the kind of home run swing you're supposed to take.
You'd be happy if a 3rd round pick only has a 1 or 2 year career? I feel like that might be the expectation for a 7th rounder...not a 3rd.
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!!
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:33 pm
by NCsteelerSU
Wilson is a player, first round talent for sure, if he can stay healthy he'll have the green dot one day. I've had season tix for the past 20 years at State, I can tell you this kid is a baller, loves the game, blue collar country kid that plays with his hair on fire, he's going to become a fan favorite. So stoked he's in the black and gold. Caveat is health of course, if that's behind him, watch out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comme ... _nc_state/
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:07 pm
by Havoc
NCsteelerSU wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 3:33 pm
Wilson is a player, first round talent for sure, if he can stay healthy he'll have the green dot one day. I've had season tix for the past 20 years at State, I can tell you this kid is a baller, loves the game, blue collar country kid that plays with his hair on fire, he's going to become a fan favorite. So stoked he's in the black and gold. Caveat is health of course, if that's behind him, watch out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/steelers/comme ... _nc_state/
An attempt at a home run swing in the 3rd.
Works for me
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:46 pm
by anpsteel
Mick wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:58 am
RemoAZ wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:57 am
TimmayLake wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:40 am
Fast, instinctive. Not a hitter though. More of a grab and wrap tackler.
That's about all that's legal now.
wrapping to pull down is hip drop. Not legal.
You can still wrap and pull down. You just cant swivel your hips to bring your legs forward (under the player's center of gravity)
In other words, if you leave your legs extended, it's okay.
Also, a rugby style grab and rotate through the body, is still allowed.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:46 pm
by Stosh-67
Didn't we draft a 6'-4" lanky ilb that can run and cover, that was a blue collar football smart player a few years back.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:02 pm
by Steelafan77
I’m detecting a bit of a trend in the 3rd RND for the Steelers.
Last year’s draft, the draft fell to the Steelers drafting a player with injury history, D. Washington.
Then they draft a 7th RNDer with an injury history as well, C. Trice.
Not sure what the method to madness is with their draft philosophy.
This year they draft another player with serious injury history P. Wilson.
As a Steeler fan I can only hope he ends up on the field playing as Washington did and not with a season ending on the practice field like Trice.
I’m thinking it’s no secret many here would’ve preferred another player selected at this pick and likely a player with little if any injury history.
As a die hard Steeler fan, I would’ve preferred switching the player position in the draft order.
If they absolutely had to have an off ball LBer in the same draft range my choice is Marist Liufau.
WR, it’s obvious I am a fan of Luke McCaffrey. That said, I believe both players would be acceptable by most here.
Anyway, I know regardless of who is drafted We are all rooting for these players to have great success at the next level here in Pittsburgh.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:57 pm
by Mick
I think gambling on medical issues in the late rounds makes sense. I’m sure as a GM, having a bunch of late round picks that start a bunch of games while playing at near replacement level is better for your resume than cutting all your late round guys and filling out the roster with veteran minimum guys, but it doesn’t help win.
Where getting ~8 games a year average of actual good play from a late round pick is real value.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:02 pm
by SteelerDayTrader
I think you gotta be 2 deep with starter level talent at both ILB spots
Injuries are part of the position
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:06 pm
by SteelerDayTrader
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:34 pm
I think they picked a guy with medical flags but why the hell not at this stage and with this LB class? Considering the type of LB they seem to favor (downhill burst), they could have--and likely would have in the old days--picked far worse than this.
Setting his health aside, I think he is a player who pops when you watch his games and bare minimum will be a terrific STs guy. If he's more than that and has a career longer than a year or two, huge win.
This is exactly the kind of home run swing you're supposed to take.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:31 pm
by bradshaw2ben
Steelafan77 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 5:02 pm
I’m detecting a bit of a trend in the 3rd RND for the Steelers.
Last year’s draft, the draft fell to the Steelers drafting a player with injury history, D. Washington.
Then they draft a 7th RNDer with an injury history as well, C. Trice.
Not sure what the method to madness is with their draft philosophy.
This year they draft another player with serious injury history P. Wilson.
As a Steeler fan I can only hope he ends up on the field playing as Washington did and not with a season ending on the practice field like Trice.
I’m thinking it’s no secret many here would’ve preferred another player selected at this pick and likely a player with little if any injury history.
As a die hard Steeler fan, I would’ve preferred switching the player position in the draft order.
If they absolutely had to have an off ball LBer in the same draft range my choice is Marist Liufau.
WR, it’s obvious I am a fan of Luke McCaffrey. That said, I believe both players would be acceptable by most here.
Anyway, I know regardless of who is drafted We are all rooting for these players to have great success at the next level here in Pittsburgh.
Liufau was the second worst LB I watched on tape this year, and only the existence of Jackson Sirmon saved him from having just about the worst film I’ve ever seen from a highly regarded prospect. I’d have taken his college teammate 100 times out of 100 over Liufau, who has no instincts, is a bad tackler, loafs, can’t cover shit, and generally plays a mile below his athleticism. At least Wilson plays like his hair is on fire, shows every bit of his speed on tape, has good instincts, and is better in coverage than you’d think for a player of his build.
Sorry to be harsh but just can’t stand the player.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:37 pm
by Steelafan77
No apology necessary. Just Football talk. Appreciate the dialogue.
You’ll notice my caveat is “if they had to have an off the ball LBer in that range”….
In My opinion the worst group of ILB candidates in a draft the last decade.
My hope is Wilson surprises stays healthy and becomes the antithesis player Devin bush was.
Not a huge fan of the other Wilson drafted and preferred McCaffrey but I will root for him.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:48 pm
by R_S
SteelerDayTrader wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:06 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:34 pm
I think they picked a guy with medical flags but why the hell not at this stage and with this LB class? Considering the type of LB they seem to favor (downhill burst), they could have--and likely would have in the old days--picked far worse than this.
Setting his health aside, I think he is a player who pops when you watch his games and bare minimum will be a terrific STs guy. If he's more than that and has a career longer than a year or two, huge win.
This is exactly the kind of home run swing you're supposed to take.
I expected your take to be "ham-n-egger"
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:22 am
by Mick
Steelafan77 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:37 pm
No apology necessary. Just Football talk. Appreciate the dialogue.
You’ll notice my caveat is “if they had to have an off the ball LBer in that range”….
In My opinion the worst group of ILB candidates in a draft the last decade.
My hope is Wilson surprises stays healthy and becomes the antithesis player Devin bush was.
Not a huge fan of the other Wilson drafted and preferred McCaffrey but I will root for him.
I think this years ILB class is better than last years. I like Gray and Knight who were both still on the board then, but can’t argue with Wilson, who is probably the best ILB to come out since…Roquan maybe? Just awful medicals.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:32 am
by Steeldrama
Omar took same late rd 3 gamble on medicals last year with Georgia TE Darnell Washington
He wasn’t a prominent player but at least made it through the year healthy unlike 7th round dart throw Corey Trice who didn’t make it out of camp
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:48 am
by steelclan
TimmayLake wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:33 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:34 pm
I think they picked a guy with medical flags but why the hell not at this stage and with this LB class? Considering the type of LB they seem to favor (downhill burst), they could have--and likely would have in the old days--picked far worse than this.
Setting his health aside, I think he is a player who pops when you watch his games and bare minimum will be a terrific STs guy.
If he's more than that and has a career longer than a year or two, huge win.
This is exactly the kind of home run swing you're supposed to take.
You'd be happy if a 3rd round pick only has a 1 or 2 year career? I feel like that might be the expectation for a 7th rounder...not a 3rd.
The average hit rate for 3rd rounders as starters? Is something like 20%. Fans have a hugely inflated view of the draft.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:05 am
by steelclan
Not in love with taking players with big time injury issues. I don't consider Washington or Fautanu to be close to this level of injury concern.
I've seen too many teams race to the podium to take a player with massive injury concerns and more often than not come up short.
His tape is good for most part do worry about his length. He does struggles to get off blocks a bit too often but TBF that is almost standard for CFB ILBers these days.
It is a risk and guess if you going to do it back of 3rd is not bad place. Least not in 2nd or first.
Payton Wilson was the one pick I was truly disappointed at.
Didn't love Roman Wilson pick but can't deny value getting him where they did and PS history with WRs hard to knock them too much.
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:12 am
by VeritasSteel
Well being that the last 5 ILBs have had ACL issues the FO picked a guy who only has one. So 50% less chance of losing him for the season
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:21 am
by SteelerDayTrader
Here’s why I’m not that worried about Peyton’s injury history
- He’s got the goods as a football player. Elite in some regards
- He seems like the type that will do well hitting the weight room and train hard to handle the NFL pounding
- I suspect he will realize in the big leagues he needs to improve beyond his obvious physical gifts that he got by on in college
- I think the Steelers FOR ONCE might be on the forefront of a shift in the NFL. We all questioned signing Queen when Roberts had played very well mostly. Most of us are expecting Holcomb to return to form at some point and had not focused on ILB mostly due to solid play by Roberts and Holcomb and also a weak ILB class. I think you have to have starter talent that is 2 deep at both ILB spots in a Steelers type 3-4. Injuries are just too prevalent across the board at those positions. I think the Steelers realize they need more than just a starter and a marginal backup. I think they are expecting injuries and planning for them
Re: Pick 3b.98 Payton Wilson LB NC State
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:25 am
by cop1211
I believe he has played the last 2 seasons injury free.
