Direct all wailing and gnashing of teeth here....Tomlin extended

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Re: Direct all wailing and gnashing of teeth here....Tomlin extended

Post by Who Dee Knee » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:22 am

Calm down, we all knew this was happening when Mason got Tomlin’s bacon out of the fire, winning the last three loseable games. At least Tomlin, Omar and Weidl seem to be functioning well—look at the last two drafts. And Arthur Smith is a competent OC, not a laughable joke.




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Post by Pabst » Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:42 pm

Jobu wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:44 pm
But now I’m gonna have to reevaluate my opinion of Aldi.
Aldi and Trader Joe's are horribly overrated and this is a hill I'm willing to die on.

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Post by Jobu » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:08 pm

Pabst wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:42 pm
Jobu wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:44 pm
But now I’m gonna have to reevaluate my opinion of Aldi.
Aldi and Trader Joe's are horribly overrated and this is a hill I'm willing to die on.
To be honest, while the wife shops Aldi from time to time, I have been only 2-3 times in my entire life. Grocery shopping is right up there with cutting grass and shoveling snow on my hate list. Her complaint with Aldi is that they don’t carry everything she needs.
We don’t have a Trader Joe’s in our area, so can’t comment on that one.
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Post by franco>madden » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:16 pm

Tim Benz in the Trib agrees with me about Rooney and with Swiss about the Vatican ...
... since the start of 2011, Tomlin-coached Steelers teams have failed to win a playoff game in 11 of 13 campaigns. Five seasons ended without a playoff berth at all. Six of those heralded “non-losing” seasons ended with only eight or nine wins ...

This contract extension says much more about Rooney than it does Tomlin. The owner of the Steelers is comfortable with being comfortable. He is comfortable with being average. He’s tucked in, nice and snug under a blanket-sized Terrible Towel, with nine or 10 wins every year.
... since 1969, when Chuck Noll was hired ... there have been more popes in the Vatican (five) than there have been Steelers coaches on the North Side (three).

For those in the fan base who want a change, don’t look for a puff of white smoke any time soon.
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Post by Pabst » Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:18 pm

Jobu wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:08 pm
Pabst wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:42 pm
Jobu wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:44 pm
But now I’m gonna have to reevaluate my opinion of Aldi.
Aldi and Trader Joe's are horribly overrated and this is a hill I'm willing to die on.
To be honest, while the wife shops Aldi from time to time, I have been only 2-3 times in my entire life. Grocery shopping is right up there with cutting grass and shoveling snow on my hate list. Her complaint with Aldi is that they don’t carry everything she needs.
We don’t have a Trader Joe’s in our area, so can’t comment on that one.
I know several people that will literally travel 2 hours to go to a Trader Joe's. It's so weird, and i think it's mostly driven by the fact that their business model is very different from your typical US grocery chain.

Quality of their meat and produce is garbage. True story - They were caught putting horse meat in their products in France a few years back.

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Post by Jobu » Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:59 pm

Pabst wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:18 pm
Jobu wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:08 pm
Pabst wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:42 pm


Aldi and Trader Joe's are horribly overrated and this is a hill I'm willing to die on.
To be honest, while the wife shops Aldi from time to time, I have been only 2-3 times in my entire life. Grocery shopping is right up there with cutting grass and shoveling snow on my hate list. Her complaint with Aldi is that they don’t carry everything she needs.
We don’t have a Trader Joe’s in our area, so can’t comment on that one.
I know several people that will literally travel 2 hours to go to a Trader Joe's. It's so weird, and i think it's mostly driven by the fact that their business model is very different from your typical US grocery chain.

Quality of their meat and produce is garbage. True story - They were caught putting horse meat in their products in France a few years back.
That’s funny (because it’s France) and disgusting at the same time! :shock:
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Post by fractalsteel » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:10 pm

Pabst wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 1:42 pm
Jobu wrote:
Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:44 pm
But now I’m gonna have to reevaluate my opinion of Aldi.
Aldi and Trader Joe's are horribly overrated and this is a hill I'm willing to die on.

Both have sub par to horrible produce. Thankfully farmer markets are plentiful and now year round in many cases.

We all knew the extension was coming. Glad many fans are talking about Tomlins failures in the playoffs but still too many fans are defending him and are thrilled he remains.
The best comments are from the fans that are saying Tomlin is bringing us Lombardi number 7 this year. They say the same thing every year. Dolts.

I have accepted that under Mikey there ain't going to be another championship. Did so years back.

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Post by Ice » Tue Jun 11, 2024 4:39 pm

Jobu wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 3:59 pm
Pabst wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:18 pm
Jobu wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 2:08 pm


To be honest, while the wife shops Aldi from time to time, I have been only 2-3 times in my entire life. Grocery shopping is right up there with cutting grass and shoveling snow on my hate list. Her complaint with Aldi is that they don’t carry everything she needs.
We don’t have a Trader Joe’s in our area, so can’t comment on that one.
I know several people that will literally travel 2 hours to go to a Trader Joe's. It's so weird, and i think it's mostly driven by the fact that their business model is very different from your typical US grocery chain.

Quality of their meat and produce is garbage. True story - They were caught putting horse meat in their products in France a few years back.
That’s funny (because it’s France) and disgusting at the same time! :shock:
So, Tomlin is the Trader Joe's of coaching.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:06 pm

Lost 5 straight playoff games.

In those 5 games;
Outscored 56-0 in the first quarter.....a direct reflection of a weeks worth of preparing for an opponent, game plan, scheme and play calling and being outcoached.
Outscored 122-47 in first half.
Gave up 31+ in all 5.
Gave up 40+ in 3 of 5
Gave up 202 points in 5 games = 40 per.

No other coach in the history of football would have or could have survived this recent resume.

No playoff wins since 2016 season.

3-9 in last 12 playoff games.

Won a playoff game in only 4 of his 17 seasons.

Anyway.

I do hold out hope for this season.
Really love the last 2 drafts.
A third great draft in April will take this team back to winning playoff game(s)

Nice post WDK
Calm down, we all knew this was happening when Mason got Tomlin’s bacon out of the fire, winning the last three loseable games. At least Tomlin, Omar and Weidl seem to be functioning well—look at the last two drafts. And Arthur Smith is a competent OC, not a laughable joke.

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Post by swissvale72 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:38 pm

I play both ends….I’m on record for wanting Tomlin gone since 2013, but also ALWAYS think Steelers will win the game in front of them. That being the case,,I’m delusionally optimistic about the upcoming season and harbor this fantasy of Russell Wilson leading Steelers to their 7th Lombardi trophy. I still think they made a mistake trading DJ though and hope that Roman wilson is all that he’s being made out to be.

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Post by CKSteeler » Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:56 pm

Mike Tomlin does not have a job for life. There is some level of embarrassment that even Art II can't put up with. Blowout playoff losses aint it because he's happy the team just gets there. Seemingly, at least.

But a couple disastrous seasons would do it. I know it's hard for some to accept, but the team needs to take a step back to move forward.

Mike Tomlin will *never* win anything of significance again here in Pittsburgh. His defenses are a joke when it matters most and it doesn't matter how much star power he has at his disposal. He gets horribly, badly outschemed by the top offensive minds that litter the coaching ranks these days. You could give him a HOF QB, but he will never be comfortable allowing the offense to be the main attraction. His offense is there to let his defense rest and bail them out when they are behind in the fourth quarter.

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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Jun 11, 2024 6:21 pm

Stosh dropping FAX as usual. Nice poast.
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Post by gojira5150 » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:09 pm

I don't know if any of you post at r\steelers but that place is a HUGE Tomlin Circle Jerk. I was dropping facts about Mediocre Mike, and I was told by a few posters to not bring that (racists) Steelers Fury nonsense over there. :evil:
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Post by lifelongsteel » Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:46 pm

Tomlin's biggest postseason W's, all as favorites
- Barely beat a rookie QB (Flacco) and coach (Harbaugh) at home with Ben and an elite D. Troy miracle saved us from a possible game winning drive
- Ditto with a pretty weak SB contender in the Cards in SB - saved by #92 and a drive for the ages
- Forced to convert a late 3rd and medium to beat Jets, a game they were up by 24 (if memory serves)

So, even when he's had the better team he hasn't exactly lit it up.

Not to mention that he also lost to Tebow. And David Garrard. And Blake Bortles. All with Ben as his QB.

A completely staggering show of coaching incompetence.

How much better does Tomlin's roster need to be in order to defeat another coach in the playoffs?
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Post by Ice » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:16 pm

I had thought that Garrard was Cowher. Other than that I endorse the post.

Even if it was, you could simply sub in getting blown out at home by a team without an actual, physical HC and just keep it moving.
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Post by beerbrother » Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:45 pm

Ice wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:16 pm
I had thought that Garrard was Cowher. Other than that I endorse the post.

Even if it was, you could simply sub in getting blown out at home by a team without an actual, physical HC and just keep it moving.
Playoff opponent has no Head Coach, no problem MT still gets blown out.
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Post by lifelongsteel » Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:13 pm

Ice wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:16 pm
I had thought that Garrard was Cowher. Other than that I endorse the post.

Even if it was, you could simply sub in getting blown out at home by a team without an actual, physical HC and just keep it moving.
Garrard was Tomlin year 1. Year of the Arians abortion 3rd and 7 Ben rollout/run/stumble

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Post by Steelersfan » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:15 am

I'm NOT a uninformed "crazy" Tomlin supporter like people on the other site. However, I am not totally against him & constantly nag & whine over him, to the point of ruining threads, or going over board like most do here.

I divide Tomlin & my opinion of him in half:
- His manager side/half (whatever you wanna call it): he is top 5 (I'd say 3 - 5) in the league, in my opinion. The MGR half deserves an extension & top dollar.

- His coaching side/half: now that leaves a lot to be desired. And in my opinion, is why he should be on the "HOT" seat, deserves ridicule & should have some demands & requirements from the GM team going forward. The Fictner, Canada debacle shoulda got him canned. Let alone the WR & RB coaching hiring big misses. Fucking asinine, almost every single hire he has made.

Tomlin is a good MGR. but is the kind of MGR that needs to surround himself with real competent & Hall of Fame type coaches. In other words; brains, knowledge & experience. He needs to manage and allow the coaches to develop, groom & run the players & team.

This is where he has failed. He has hired the worst coaches "in history" since Cowhers coaches have moved on. Totally ruined this org, the franchise, his teams & their reputation. The dumbass thinks his early success was all him. He not smart enough to realize, he needs help developing players, & gameplans. Hiring of "shit" for brain coaches is why he should be on the HOT seat or the outs.

I think the current GM goon squad, finally this off season, told him to "move-over" & they made/forced the coaching changes needed. Will they be the right moves? The right hires? All work out? Only time will tell.

And hopefully next year they get rid of the worst secondary coach & the worst tight end coach IN THE LEAGUE & force some competence on him in those areas too.

But if your gonna extend MGR Tomlin, you better have competent people, to force his coaching hires, on him, from here on out.

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Post by CoolShades » Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:12 am

gojira5150 wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:09 pm
I don't know if any of you post at r\steelers but that place is a HUGE Tomlin Circle Jerk. I was dropping facts about Mediocre Mike, and I was told by a few posters to not bring that (racists) Steelers Fury nonsense over there. :evil:
That sub is a joke, led by joke mods. I gave up on reddit long ago.

If you criticize mediocre Mike at all, you get swarmed by the PC police. ANY criticism of Saint Mike is racism. Those sycophants are the biggest racists out there, because they can’t fathom holding a black coach to the same standard they would hold a white coach. No one I know cares what color he is. They care that he sucks, and he’s destroyed this franchise. He’s an incompetent jackass and a fraud. Period. My opinion wouldn’t change if he was an albino.

I can’t wait to see what pretzels the reddit “champions of diversity” turn themselves into when Wilson/Fields goes tits up. Who can they criticize and keep from being called a racist? Probably Zack Frazier.


Edit - this extension also shows how wise Pickett was demanding a trade. His career may be toast, but it would have absolutely been trashed the minute the extension was announced. He would have been stuck under Tomlin for the next 2 seasons at least, and possibly 3. That would have stunted his development permanently. At least now he has a chance to develop a bit and find a new home (and win some playoff games).
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Post by W&M_Steeler » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:04 pm

lifelongsteel wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 7:46 pm
Tomlin's biggest postseason W's, all as favorites
- Barely beat a rookie QB (Flacco) and coach (Harbaugh) at home with Ben and an elite D. Troy miracle saved us from a possible game winning drive
- Ditto with a pretty weak SB contender in the Cards in SB - saved by #92 and a drive for the ages
- Forced to convert a late 3rd and medium to beat Jets, a game they were up by 24 (if memory serves)

So, even when he's had the better team he hasn't exactly lit it up.

Not to mention that he also lost to Tebow. And David Garrard. And Blake Bortles. All with Ben as his QB.

A completely staggering show of coaching incompetence.

How much better does Tomlin's roster need to be in order to defeat another coach in the playoffs?
Not to mention the mid-season collapse in 2018 against bad teams that saw the Steelers go from #1 seed to missing the playoffs. But hey, they finished with a winning record, so the season was a great success!

The 2017-2023 run has been brutal. But going 8-8 in 2019 means Tomlin is one of the greatest coaches of all time, I guess.

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Post by langer » Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:20 pm

This pretty much proves Coach Mike gets treated much differently than other coaches of his statute, and nature, and so forth.
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Post by lifelongsteel » Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:11 pm

Steelersfan wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:15 am
I'm NOT a uninformed "crazy" Tomlin supporter like people on the other site. However, I am not totally against him & constantly nag & whine over him, to the point of ruining threads, or going over board like most do here.

I divide Tomlin & my opinion of him in half:
- His manager side/half (whatever you wanna call it): he is top 5 (I'd say 3 - 5) in the league, in my opinion. The MGR half deserves an extension & top dollar.

- His coaching side/half: now that leaves a lot to be desired. And in my opinion, is why he should be on the "HOT" seat, deserves ridicule & should have some demands & requirements from the GM team going forward. The Fictner, Canada debacle shoulda got him canned. Let alone the WR & RB coaching hiring big misses. Fucking asinine, almost every single hire he has made.

Tomlin is a good MGR. but is the kind of MGR that needs to surround himself with real competent & Hall of Fame type coaches. In other words; brains, knowledge & experience. He needs to manage and allow the coaches to develop, groom & run the players & team.

This is where he has failed. He has hired the worst coaches "in history" since Cowhers coaches have moved on. Totally ruined this org, the franchise, his teams & their reputation. The dumbass thinks his early success was all him. He not smart enough to realize, he needs help developing players, & gameplans. Hiring of "shit" for brain coaches is why he should be on the HOT seat or the outs.

I think the current GM goon squad, finally this off season, told him to "move-over" & they made/forced the coaching changes needed. Will they be the right moves? The right hires? All work out? Only time will tell.

And hopefully next year they get rid of the worst secondary coach & the worst tight end coach IN THE LEAGUE & force some competence on him in those areas too.

But if your gonna extend MGR Tomlin, you better have competent people, to force his coaching hires, on him, from here on out.
Tomlin is "a great MGR who hires shitty coaches" is a hell of a take

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Post by the-other-burg » Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:30 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:56 pm
Mike Tomlin does not have a job for life. There is some level of embarrassment that even Art II can't put up with. Blowout playoff losses aint it because he's happy the team just gets there. Seemingly, at least.

But a couple disastrous seasons would do it. I know it's hard for some to accept, but the team needs to take a step back to move forward.

Mike Tomlin will *never* win anything of significance again here in Pittsburgh. His defenses are a joke when it matters most and it doesn't matter how much star power he has at his disposal. He gets horribly, badly outschemed by the top offensive minds that litter the coaching ranks these days. You could give him a HOF QB, but he will never be comfortable allowing the offense to be the main attraction. His offense is there to let his defense rest and bail them out when they are behind in the fourth quarter.
I will say it over and over. The epitaph on Tomlin's tombstone should read: Being 'Good Enough' is the biggest enemy of being Great

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Post by CKSteeler » Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:37 pm

lifelongsteel wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:13 pm
Ice wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:16 pm
I had thought that Garrard was Cowher. Other than that I endorse the post.

Even if it was, you could simply sub in getting blown out at home by a team without an actual, physical HC and just keep it moving.
Garrard was Tomlin year 1. Year of the Arians abortion 3rd and 7 Ben rollout/run/stumble
Calling that play an abortion doesn't even begin to describe it. Ben had a bum ankle and they called that play behind their third string LT. In a game where they were killing the Jaguars with the short passing game to Hines Ward and Heath Miller.

It's something you could laugh off if you really thought Mike had learned anything from it. But time has shown us that he hasn't.

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Post by Jobu » Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:49 pm

CKSteeler wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:37 pm
lifelongsteel wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:13 pm
Ice wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 8:16 pm
I had thought that Garrard was Cowher. Other than that I endorse the post.

Even if it was, you could simply sub in getting blown out at home by a team without an actual, physical HC and just keep it moving.
Garrard was Tomlin year 1. Year of the Arians abortion 3rd and 7 Ben rollout/run/stumble
Calling that play an abortion doesn't even begin to describe it. Ben had a bum ankle and they called that play behind their third string LT. In a game where they were killing the Jaguars with the short passing game to Hines Ward and Heath Miller.

It's something you could laugh off if you really thought Mike had learned anything from it. But time has shown us that he hasn't.
And laying that one on BA is the type of attitude that gets this guy 3 year extensions for mediocrity.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a TO called prior to that play? I’d say there’s a 90+ percent chance that one was on the guy that doesn’t live in his fears!
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Post by swissvale72 » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:32 pm

Jobu wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 6:49 pm
CKSteeler wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:37 pm
lifelongsteel wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:13 pm


Garrard was Tomlin year 1. Year of the Arians abortion 3rd and 7 Ben rollout/run/stumble
Calling that play an abortion doesn't even begin to describe it. Ben had a bum ankle and they called that play behind their third string LT. In a game where they were killing the Jaguars with the short passing game to Hines Ward and Heath Miller.

It's something you could laugh off if you really thought Mike had learned anything from it. But time has shown us that he hasn't.
And laying that one on BA is the type of attitude that gets this guy 3 year extensions for mediocrity.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t there a TO called prior to that play? I’d say there’s a 90+ percent chance that one was on the guy that doesn’t live in his fears!
Yes, there was a stoppage of play; I believe it was the 2-minute warning. And yes, at the time everyone wanted to lay the blame on Arians. Tomlin, as HC, certainly had the capacity to say, “hey Bruce, let’s throw the fuckin ball.” 3rd & fuckin 6. Ughhhh

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:46 pm

lifelongsteel wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:11 pm
Steelersfan wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:15 am
I'm NOT a uninformed "crazy" Tomlin supporter like people on the other site. However, I am not totally against him & constantly nag & whine over him, to the point of ruining threads, or going over board like most do here.

I divide Tomlin & my opinion of him in half:
- His manager side/half (whatever you wanna call it): he is top 5 (I'd say 3 - 5) in the league, in my opinion. The MGR half deserves an extension & top dollar.

- His coaching side/half: now that leaves a lot to be desired. And in my opinion, is why he should be on the "HOT" seat, deserves ridicule & should have some demands & requirements from the GM team going forward. The Fictner, Canada debacle shoulda got him canned. Let alone the WR & RB coaching hiring big misses. Fucking asinine, almost every single hire he has made.

Tomlin is a good MGR. but is the kind of MGR that needs to surround himself with real competent & Hall of Fame type coaches. In other words; brains, knowledge & experience. He needs to manage and allow the coaches to develop, groom & run the players & team.

This is where he has failed. He has hired the worst coaches "in history" since Cowhers coaches have moved on. Totally ruined this org, the franchise, his teams & their reputation. The dumbass thinks his early success was all him. He not smart enough to realize, he needs help developing players, & gameplans. Hiring of "shit" for brain coaches is why he should be on the HOT seat or the outs.

I think the current GM goon squad, finally this off season, told him to "move-over" & they made/forced the coaching changes needed. Will they be the right moves? The right hires? All work out? Only time will tell.

And hopefully next year they get rid of the worst secondary coach & the worst tight end coach IN THE LEAGUE & force some competence on him in those areas too.

But if your gonna extend MGR Tomlin, you better have competent people, to force his coaching hires, on him, from here on out.
Tomlin is "a great MGR who hires shitty coaches" is a hell of a take
I think he obviously creates a great team dynamic, especially for defensive players and Run-game specialists. That's not nothing, but I'll bet you even those guys wish he had a genius offensive mind, working with a mandate to do his thing on the other side of the ball.

I am fairly optimistic on the new WR position coach, but the position coaches for this team are bottom of the barrel and even the coordinators are what I would call bare-minimum competent.

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Post by anpsteel » Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:06 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:46 pm
lifelongsteel wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 4:11 pm
Steelersfan wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 12:15 am
I'm NOT a uninformed "crazy" Tomlin supporter like people on the other site. However, I am not totally against him & constantly nag & whine over him, to the point of ruining threads, or going over board like most do here.

I divide Tomlin & my opinion of him in half:
- His manager side/half (whatever you wanna call it): he is top 5 (I'd say 3 - 5) in the league, in my opinion. The MGR half deserves an extension & top dollar.

- His coaching side/half: now that leaves a lot to be desired. And in my opinion, is why he should be on the "HOT" seat, deserves ridicule & should have some demands & requirements from the GM team going forward. The Fictner, Canada debacle shoulda got him canned. Let alone the WR & RB coaching hiring big misses. Fucking asinine, almost every single hire he has made.

Tomlin is a good MGR. but is the kind of MGR that needs to surround himself with real competent & Hall of Fame type coaches. In other words; brains, knowledge & experience. He needs to manage and allow the coaches to develop, groom & run the players & team.

This is where he has failed. He has hired the worst coaches "in history" since Cowhers coaches have moved on. Totally ruined this org, the franchise, his teams & their reputation. The dumbass thinks his early success was all him. He not smart enough to realize, he needs help developing players, & gameplans. Hiring of "shit" for brain coaches is why he should be on the HOT seat or the outs.

I think the current GM goon squad, finally this off season, told him to "move-over" & they made/forced the coaching changes needed. Will they be the right moves? The right hires? All work out? Only time will tell.

And hopefully next year they get rid of the worst secondary coach & the worst tight end coach IN THE LEAGUE & force some competence on him in those areas too.

But if your gonna extend MGR Tomlin, you better have competent people, to force his coaching hires, on him, from here on out.
Tomlin is "a great MGR who hires shitty coaches" is a hell of a take
I think he obviously creates a great team dynamic, especially for defensive players and Run-game specialists. That's not nothing, but I'll bet you even those guys wish he had a genius offensive mind, working with a mandate to do his thing on the other side of the ball.

I am fairly optimistic on the new WR position coach, but the position coaches for this team are bottom of the barrel and even the coordinators are what I would call bare-minimum competent.
You have to be willing to be a, Yes Man, and also recognize that the league has no interest in Tomlin coaches.

So basically, you are working for the paycheck and experience... and HOPE that your individual performance is significantly outstanding, that you get a shot somewhere else.

Edit: I am hopeful that the hiring of Arthur Smith ends the Yes Man aspect, because I'm assuming he had other options- and he clearly doesn't need the money.

So fingers crossed, he gets to run his offense his way, without the dumbing down from Coach T.

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