Direct all wailing and gnashing of teeth here....Tomlin extended

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Re: Direct all wailing and gnashing of teeth here....Tomlin extended

Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:28 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:06 pm
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Tomlin is "a great MGR who hires shitty coaches" is a hell of a take
I think he obviously creates a great team dynamic, especially for defensive players and Run-game specialists. That's not nothing, but I'll bet you even those guys wish he had a genius offensive mind, working with a mandate to do his thing on the other side of the ball.

I am fairly optimistic on the new WR position coach, but the position coaches for this team are bottom of the barrel and even the coordinators are what I would call bare-minimum competent.
You have to be willing to be a, Yes Man, and also recognize that the league has no interest in Tomlin coaches.

So basically, you are working for the paycheck and experience... and HOPE that your individual performance is significantly outstanding, that you get a shot somewhere else.

Edit: I am hopeful that the hiring of Arthur Smith ends the Yes Man aspect, because I'm assuming he had other options- and he clearly doesn't need the money.

So fingers crossed, he gets to run his offense his way, without the dumbing down from Coach T.
It doesn't matter: they want to run the same offense. They have the same stated goals for how they see the role of offense. Tomlin found a guy he can trust to do what he wants.



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Post by Smashmouth21 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:24 am

Excellent news! No brainer to lock up one of the best coaches in the NFL.

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Post by CKSteeler » Thu Jun 13, 2024 2:45 am

Smashmouth21 wrote:
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Excellent news! No brainer to lock up one of the best coaches in the NFL.
He only lost his last playoff game by 14 points. IT'S PROGRESS.

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Post by Ice » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:26 am

Offensive assistants suffer because nobody else in the league wants to run a bottom five scoring offense snooze-fest on purpose. Defensive assistants get the semi-annual playoff blowouts held against them. That, and none of them are really making any of their players considerably better than when they arrive in Pittsburgh. Thus, no coaching tree.

Interesting that Scottie Montgomery, who coached the WRs, which, for awhile, was the exception to the development issue positionally, is the lone minor branch on the Tomlin stick in the ground.
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Post by CoolShades » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:05 pm

From the “Just When You Thought It Couldn’t Be Any More Ridiculous” Department


Andrew Fillapponi reports:

Hot Rumor: Mike Tomlin is now the 2nd highest paid coach in the NFL with his contract extension. Behind Andy Reid. Money around $19-20 million. Wow.


Yeah, that makes sense. I could not win a playoff game for 7 years for a 5th of that.

Good news! My kid just got hired to mow Deuce’s grass. He’s getting paid $10k a week to mow the lawn. He just has to mow with Deuce’s zero turn. He doesn’t have to trim, either. When he’s done, he just has to kick Deuce in the balls and he gets his check.

What a waste of money. The only way this makes sense is if the NFL is paying at least half.

I hope this finally puts the “But the Rooney’s are CHEAP!” excuses to bed. They are morons, but they aren’t cheap. Tomlin must have pictures of Deuce blowing goats.
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Post by Ice » Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:12 pm

Freed up all that payroll for the WR trade that never happened and felt they had to spend it somewhere?
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Post by Orangesteel » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:18 pm

Tomlin is a “culture” coach. Rooney adores the culture that Tomlin brings to the franchise, every day walking by those Lombardi trophies, the Standard, painting barns red, dead Indians in Cowboy movies, weighty downs, so on and so forth and things of that nature.

I’d be fine with a culture coach if they hired some kick ass up and coming assistants like the Lions have. If Art Smith is a failure in the Burgh’ nobody is swooping him up. We’ve had some dark years since Ben retired because someone thought teaming up Kenny Pickett and Matt Canada was a good thing, and we even kept Canada around for 3 years!

If you are going to buy into the bullshit that is Tomlin then you better surround him with tacticians. We’ve yet to do that.
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Post by swissvale72 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:36 pm

CoolShades wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:14 pm
Ice wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:26 am
Offensive assistants suffer because nobody else in the league wants to run a bottom five scoring offense snooze-fest on purpose. Defensive assistants get the semi-annual playoff blowouts held against them. That, and none of them are really making any of their players considerably better than when they arrive in Pittsburgh. Thus, no coaching tree.

Interesting that Scottie Montgomery, who coached the WRs, which, for awhile, was the exception to the development issue positionally, is the lone minor branch on the Tomlin stick in the ground.
I find it amazing that in 18 years, a supposed HOF coach hasn’t, even by accident, hired one decent assistant. Not one. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

How in the hell can a HC with 2 decades of continuous employment not have a single branch on his coaching tree?
Some may disagree, but I didn't like Tomlin's choices about assistants from Day 1, when the ONLY assistant he didn't keep was the guy who in my estimation was the sharpest offensive mind on staff at the time, Mark Whipple. And then, of course, was the whole Dick LeBeau debacle.

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Post by Ice » Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:52 pm

Shit, consider how well Whipple did making Kenny look good at Pitt.
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Post by Stosh-67 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:28 pm

Hot Rumor: Mike Tomlin is now the 2nd highest paid coach in the NFL with his contract extension. Behind Andy Reid. Money around $19-20 million. Wow.
Thats per year i assume......
Holly crap.
Madness, madness............

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Post by langer » Thu Jun 13, 2024 3:48 pm

I cannot believe how the NFL is totally screwing over Coach Mike here. It's disgusting how he isn't paid more than Andy Reid, who hasn't done anything quite as monumental and important as Coach Mike Tomlin.
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Post by gojira5150 » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:29 pm

CoolShades wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:05 pm

Good news! My kid just got hired to mow Deuce’s grass. He’s getting paid $10k a week to mow the lawn. He just has to mow with Deuce’s zero turn. He doesn’t have to trim, either. When he’s done, he just has to kick Deuce in the balls and he gets his check.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :D

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Post by RemoAZ » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:52 pm

swissvale72 wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:36 pm
CoolShades wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 12:14 pm
Ice wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:26 am
Offensive assistants suffer because nobody else in the league wants to run a bottom five scoring offense snooze-fest on purpose. Defensive assistants get the semi-annual playoff blowouts held against them. That, and none of them are really making any of their players considerably better than when they arrive in Pittsburgh. Thus, no coaching tree.

Interesting that Scottie Montgomery, who coached the WRs, which, for awhile, was the exception to the development issue positionally, is the lone minor branch on the Tomlin stick in the ground.
I find it amazing that in 18 years, a supposed HOF coach hasn’t, even by accident, hired one decent assistant. Not one. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

How in the hell can a HC with 2 decades of continuous employment not have a single branch on his coaching tree?
Some may disagree, but I didn't like Tomlin's choices about assistants from Day 1, when the ONLY assistant he didn't keep was the guy who in my estimation was the sharpest offensive mind on staff at the time, Mark Whipple. And then, of course, was the whole Dick LeBeau debacle.
His choices only need one qualification. That have to be yes men. Every season, every change has moved the team closer to Mike's 100% control. His new OC is no different. He runs the exact, conservative scheme emphasizing the run that Tomlin has wanted all along. Play everything super conservative and wait for the other team to shit the bed hoping for a one score game in the 4th quarter. It's kept him from having a losing season so why change? SB is completely off the table. Non losing seasons keeps him employed at one of the top rates in the league. Mission accomplished. Makes me embarrassed to be a fan of this team. Even the majority of the fans don't give a shit about a championship contender. It's sickening to see how soft we've become but that just mirrors society in general so no surprise.
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Post by RemoAZ » Thu Jun 13, 2024 4:56 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 1:18 pm
Tomlin is a “culture” coach. Rooney adores the culture that Tomlin brings to the franchise, every day walking by those Lombardi trophies, the Standard, painting barns red, dead Indians in Cowboy movies, weighty downs, so on and so forth and things of that nature.

I’d be fine with a culture coach if they hired some kick ass up and coming assistants like the Lions have. If Art Smith is a failure in the Burgh’ nobody is swooping him up. We’ve had some dark years since Ben retired because someone thought teaming up Kenny Pickett and Matt Canada was a good thing, and we even kept Canada around for 3 years!

If you are going to buy into the bullshit that is Tomlin then you better surround him with tacticians. We’ve yet to do that.
He hasn't hired or developed a decent assistant since he got here. The maddening thing is that's all he has to do to get this team back to being a contender but he refuses. The players, fans, ownership and the media love him. Just hire some top assistants and let them modernize the play on the field. Nope. That might take some risk and old Mediocre Mike knows his 9 win goal is more secure staying ultra conservative. Fuck that coward.
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Post by anpsteel » Thu Jun 13, 2024 8:15 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:28 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:06 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:46 pm

I think he obviously creates a great team dynamic, especially for defensive players and Run-game specialists. That's not nothing, but I'll bet you even those guys wish he had a genius offensive mind, working with a mandate to do his thing on the other side of the ball.

I am fairly optimistic on the new WR position coach, but the position coaches for this team are bottom of the barrel and even the coordinators are what I would call bare-minimum competent.
You have to be willing to be a, Yes Man, and also recognize that the league has no interest in Tomlin coaches.

So basically, you are working for the paycheck and experience... and HOPE that your individual performance is significantly outstanding, that you get a shot somewhere else.

Edit: I am hopeful that the hiring of Arthur Smith ends the Yes Man aspect, because I'm assuming he had other options- and he clearly doesn't need the money.

So fingers crossed, he gets to run his offense his way, without the dumbing down from Coach T.
It doesn't matter: they want to run the same offense. They have the same stated goals for how they see the role of offense. Tomlin found a guy he can trust to do what he wants.
Clearly they have the same general philosophical approach to offense.

My concern or hope, is with a legitimate and capable OC, that Tomlin keeps his nose out of the play calling. Let Smith run his offense.

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Post by Ice » Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:23 pm

In critical game situations (weighty downs, if you will), Tomlin's gut will be having a say in play calling. To hope for anything else is wishful thinking at this point.
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Post by Gonzo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:09 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:28 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:06 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:46 pm

I think he obviously creates a great team dynamic, especially for defensive players and Run-game specialists. That's not nothing, but I'll bet you even those guys wish he had a genius offensive mind, working with a mandate to do his thing on the other side of the ball.

I am fairly optimistic on the new WR position coach, but the position coaches for this team are bottom of the barrel and even the coordinators are what I would call bare-minimum competent.
You have to be willing to be a, Yes Man, and also recognize that the league has no interest in Tomlin coaches.

So basically, you are working for the paycheck and experience... and HOPE that your individual performance is significantly outstanding, that you get a shot somewhere else.

Edit: I am hopeful that the hiring of Arthur Smith ends the Yes Man aspect, because I'm assuming he had other options- and he clearly doesn't need the money.

So fingers crossed, he gets to run his offense his way, without the dumbing down from Coach T.
It doesn't matter: they want to run the same offense. They have the same stated goals for how they see the role of offense. Tomlin found a guy he can trust to do what he wants.
correct - nothing has changed. in fact, it has gone farther down the rabbit hole of slow motion football

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Post by Gonzo » Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:10 pm

this is a bad day

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Post by Steelersfan » Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:19 am

Its not a bad day or time in Pgh. Like I said, it appears Tomlin's dominance of the assistant hirings is being "pulled back". I am beginning to gain a lot of faith in the Kahn & Weidel GM team. I have faith they are reining in some of the power as Kahn gains more confidence. It didn't appear Tomlin steamrolled this GM group like he did Colbert in the past. Colbert's last years, it seemed he just did, whatever Tomlin wanted.

I'm keeping the faith. I think it was FINALLY Kahn/Weidel that said enough is enough and kicked Canada to the curb mid season. Tomlin was blinded by being buddies and didn't want to let his sons old coach go out like that. Canada needed axed last off season.

Everyone knows, Tomlin was the one that hired all his son Dino's recruiter coaches, as payback. He also pushed mediocre Porter Sr out the door, only to hire the worst ILB coach in EVER, in old player Olsavsky. Not a terrible Steeler, but god damn did that guy suck as a coach.

Not sure how Tomlin hire Alfredo Roberts made it thru this off season. The 1st tight end that shows improvement under him, will either be SUPER human or ignore his coaching. I know Muth is loved, but even he looked cut-able last year. Muth trending down the Zack Gentry, Jesse James coached career path. Hope the new OC steps in and can save Muth & do something, anything with Washington & Heyward.

Don't get me started on the secondary coach. I 100% expect JPorter Jr to come out looking like Justin Layne, Coty Sensenbaugh, Artie Burns, Keenu Neal, Terrell Edmond's, Steven Nelson, Sean Davis this year. Im just fucking glad this guy wasn't around when Polamalu was drafted, to ruin him too.

Can't tell you the coaching changes we did make, will work. BUT, my hope is, at least they made changes. At least someone is seeing the "shit" assistants & are trying to make the changes that are needed. So not exactly a bad day in my opinion.
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Post by Rod & Wire Mill » Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:26 am

CKSteeler wrote:
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lifelongsteel wrote:
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Ice wrote:
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I had thought that Garrard was Cowher. Other than that I endorse the post.

Even if it was, you could simply sub in getting blown out at home by a team without an actual, physical HC and just keep it moving.
Garrard was Tomlin year 1. Year of the Arians abortion 3rd and 7 Ben rollout/run/stumble
Calling that play an abortion doesn't even begin to describe it. Ben had a bum ankle and they called that play behind their third string LT. In a game where they were killing the Jaguars with the short passing game to Hines Ward and Heath Miller.

It's something you could laugh off if you really thought Mike had learned anything from it. But time has shown us that he hasn't.
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Post by AirRescueFF » Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:49 am

Gonzo wrote:
Thu Jun 13, 2024 11:09 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:28 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2024 10:06 pm


You have to be willing to be a, Yes Man, and also recognize that the league has no interest in Tomlin coaches.

So basically, you are working for the paycheck and experience... and HOPE that your individual performance is significantly outstanding, that you get a shot somewhere else.

Edit: I am hopeful that the hiring of Arthur Smith ends the Yes Man aspect, because I'm assuming he had other options- and he clearly doesn't need the money.

So fingers crossed, he gets to run his offense his way, without the dumbing down from Coach T.
It doesn't matter: they want to run the same offense. They have the same stated goals for how they see the role of offense. Tomlin found a guy he can trust to do what he wants.
correct - nothing has changed. in fact, it has gone farther down the rabbit hole of slow motion football

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Post by langer » Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:18 am

We are blessed to have such a man as Coach.

He is a repulsive person. The entitlement and arrogance is going to be epic, Smith will be in his head more and more. Did he have a Coach Mike tantrum and demand an extension. I can certainly see that happening.
Steelers' Mike Tomlin Sets Record Straight About New OC Arthur Smith: 'Assistants Make Suggestions, Head Coaches Make Decisions'
"So, we have to proceed with caution, but when you’re pursuing greatness, risk-taking is a part of it. Calculated risk-taking. That’s what you’re talking about when you’re drawing up big plays schematically.”

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Post by .Kodiak » Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:47 pm

langer wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:18 am
Steelers' Mike Tomlin Sets Record Straight About New OC Arthur Smith: 'Assistants Make Suggestions, Head Coaches Make Decisions'
"Arthur, we're not trying to win the race, just finish respectably"

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Post by anpsteel » Fri Jun 14, 2024 4:38 pm

langer wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2024 10:18 am
We are blessed to have such a man as Coach.

He is a repulsive person. The entitlement and arrogance is going to be epic, Smith will be in his head more and more. Did he have a Coach Mike tantrum and demand an extension. I can certainly see that happening.
Steelers' Mike Tomlin Sets Record Straight About New OC Arthur Smith: 'Assistants Make Suggestions, Head Coaches Make Decisions'
That is a ridiculously arrogant answer.

If the team had been winning playoff and championship games, then maybe you could understand it.

But as it stands, it’s on par with Kenny saying he didn’t learn anything from the bench while watching a better player.

Just fucking dumb

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Post by langer » Fri Jun 14, 2024 5:04 pm

It wouldn't be such a thing if that asshole didn't absolve himself of blame when he fucks things up.

He is an obnoxious former wide receiver. Friggin jagoff.

I hope Art Smith goes after his job hard.
"So, we have to proceed with caution, but when you’re pursuing greatness, risk-taking is a part of it. Calculated risk-taking. That’s what you’re talking about when you’re drawing up big plays schematically.”

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Post by .Kodiak » Fri Jun 14, 2024 6:01 pm

To be fair, I wouldn't expect any HC to give a different answer. Tomlin always has plenty of excuses, but to his credit he doesn't point fingers. The problem is it's all just platitudes and Tomlin is extremely myopic to his own shortcomings. We keep complaining Tomlin doesn't change, but the real issue is Tomlin doesn't think he needs to change.

Sad part is, he arguably cost us at least one ring with his whole "easing in" bullshit. He gets outcoached in the playoffs by inferior teams he lets hang around, and equal or superior teams just curbstomp them and run circles around our gameplanning and preparation.

And he's LUCKY to even have that one ring. They only win that game despite Tomlin's turtling on two legendary plays, AND Whizenhunt turtling even more than Tomlin. It's why he is who he is and has been for a long time - a mediocre coach who has survived on the backs of superstars in a parity-driven league, who's only real accomplishments in the playoffs are mainly attributable to Cowher's coaches and players.

Oh well, get used to it I guess. I think most of us ARE used to it, but that doesn't make it any more palatable. Much like I don't imagine eating shit is an acquired taste....

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Post by Ice » Fri Jun 14, 2024 7:51 pm

Last sentence sums it up just about perfectly, Kodiak.
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Post by W&M_Steeler » Fri Jun 14, 2024 9:39 pm

Say what you want about Mark Madden, but his assessment of Tomlin is spot on:

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:11 pm

I'm only in my mid-late 40s so I'm fine with it. :D
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Post by cop1211 » Sun Jun 16, 2024 5:17 am

Championship.

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