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Re: Kenny Will Be Fine

Post by Ice » Thu Jul 04, 2024 9:21 pm

Sad but true. Definitely differences between the coaches, but the core offensive principles haven't changed much.

On the other hand, the league as a whole has shifted pretty drastically since the days of Cowher, and even moreso since Noll.

That's going to need accounted for at some point soon.


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Post by Gonzo » Thu Jul 04, 2024 10:22 pm

16-8
12-8
8-10

mind you the last one was much better before his epic run.

and the game/league/rules are slightly different now

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Post by .Kodiak » Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:11 pm

jebrick wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:06 pm
Wins lots of games in the regular season. got to get lucky in the playoffs
Noll and Cowher were both much more successful than Tomlin in the playoffs.

Tomlin has done practically nothing in the playoffs without Cowher's players and coaches. Most overrated coach in all of pro sports history.

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Post by jebrick » Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:30 pm

.Kodiak wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:11 pm
jebrick wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:06 pm
Wins lots of games in the regular season. got to get lucky in the playoffs
Noll and Cowher were both much more successful than Tomlin in the playoffs.

Tomlin has done practically nothing in the playoffs without Cowher's players and coaches. Most overrated coach in all of pro sports history.
Different eras. Same offense. Cowher's offense was great for the 90's and early 2000s. The run first offense loved by Tomlin and Harbaugh is just not going to win many playoff games unless they get luck or have a historical good defense.

I am not defending Tomlin. I would like to see Dan Jr. hire a coach that has a modern playbook or at least knows what a modern offense should like like.
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Post by gojira5150 » Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:34 pm

O'Donnell's Bookie wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:42 pm
Stallworth16 wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:30 pm
Mason Rudolph is the guy I thought we should keep not Kenny. Mason turned around a lost season and got us to the playoffs. And nearly mounted a comeback against superior Buffalo team which our defense could not stop. In those 4 reg season games, Mason had a 118.0 QB rating and a 74.3 completion %, and he unlocked Pickens.
I can't imagine Wilson doing any better, but if he can be 75% the QB that Mason was, we'll be in good shape.
You do realize that Wilson had 32 TD total (26TD Pass & 6 running) with 8int last year with basically 1 WR. I believe we all here would jump for joy if he was able to do the same here. He's way better than MR
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Post by Ice » Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:04 pm

jebrick wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:30 pm
.Kodiak wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:11 pm
jebrick wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 8:06 pm
Wins lots of games in the regular season. got to get lucky in the playoffs
Noll and Cowher were both much more successful than Tomlin in the playoffs.

Tomlin has done practically nothing in the playoffs without Cowher's players and coaches. Most overrated coach in all of pro sports history.
Different eras. Same offense. Cowher's offense was great for the 90's and early 2000s. The run first offense loved by Tomlin and Harbaugh is just not going to win many playoff games unless they get luck or have a historical good defense.

I am not defending Tomlin. I would like to see Dan Jr. hire a coach that has a modern playbook or at least knows what a modern offense should like like.
Yup, but gotta give Cowher some credit, twice, once with O'Donnell and the 5 wides look on the way to SB 30, and once with leading with the passing game with Ben on the way to 40, for at least adding some innovation come playoff time. Hint to Tomlin and Co. that, obviously, both resulted in at least a SB appearance.
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Post by jebrick » Fri Jul 05, 2024 3:25 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:34 pm
O'Donnell's Bookie wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:42 pm
Stallworth16 wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:30 pm
Mason Rudolph is the guy I thought we should keep not Kenny. Mason turned around a lost season and got us to the playoffs. And nearly mounted a comeback against superior Buffalo team which our defense could not stop. In those 4 reg season games, Mason had a 118.0 QB rating and a 74.3 completion %, and he unlocked Pickens.
I can't imagine Wilson doing any better, but if he can be 75% the QB that Mason was, we'll be in good shape.
You do realize that Wilson had 32 TD total (26TD Pass & 6 running) with 8int last year with basically 1 WR. I believe we all here would jump for joy if he was able to do the same here. He's way better than MR
I remember someone pointing out that Fields averaged 24 pts per game which is more than the Steelers collective did last year by a TD.

And Mason and Kenny had great games vs terrible defenses. Buffalo was the best defense they faced in the last 1/2 of the season by a far margin.
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Post by O'Donnell's Bookie » Fri Jul 05, 2024 5:37 pm

gojira5150 wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2024 1:34 pm
O'Donnell's Bookie wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:42 pm
Stallworth16 wrote:
Thu Jul 04, 2024 6:30 pm
Mason Rudolph is the guy I thought we should keep not Kenny. Mason turned around a lost season and got us to the playoffs. And nearly mounted a comeback against superior Buffalo team which our defense could not stop. In those 4 reg season games, Mason had a 118.0 QB rating and a 74.3 completion %, and he unlocked Pickens.
I can't imagine Wilson doing any better, but if he can be 75% the QB that Mason was, we'll be in good shape.
You do realize that Wilson had 32 TD total (26TD Pass & 6 running) with 8int last year with basically 1 WR. I believe we all here would jump for joy if he was able to do the same here. He's way better than MR
Well, Mason did lead the entire NFL in QBR through those 4 games.

You gotta believe he would have tossed more TD's than 26 had he started all year.

Unfortunately, we have a mentally retarded HC, and he thought it would be a better idea to start Trubisky, then Pickett instead.

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Post by Orangesteel » Sat Jul 06, 2024 4:06 pm

I’d argue that Kenny didn’t have a singular “great game” his entire time with the Steelers. Mason had a few pretty good games. His Xmas game this season against the Bengals was very good. He should have been the starter the entire season. Oh well.
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Post by Pitty Smitty » Sat Jul 06, 2024 11:46 pm

:lol: :lol:
langer wrote:
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Kenny is going to start over Hurts. MARK MY WORDS.

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Post by .Kodiak » Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:39 pm

More than likely, after they got some tape on Mason he was going to start sucking just like the other two.

There's a reason no one wanted "Mason Almighty" as a starting QB, and he's starting out second on the depth chart behind the Ass Levis.

Rudolph just isn't and never will be a starting caliber QB. He's a good backup, but even then interest/money on him says he's more a "mid" backup.

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Post by RemoAZ » Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:42 pm

.Kodiak wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:39 pm
More than likely, after they got some tape on Mason he was going to start sucking just like the other two.

There's a reason no one wanted "Mason Almighty" as a starting QB, and he's starting out second on the depth chart behind the Ass Levis.

Rudolph just isn't and never will be a starting caliber QB. He's a good backup, but even then interest/money on him says he's more a "mid" backup.
I agree. It's funny how people cry over losing him. Just as funny as people thrilled with filling the QB room with players their teams didn't want. When you look at how Tomlin didn't draft/develop anyone worth a damn during Ben's career combined with what he's done since, he has no clue what he's doing at the QB position along with, well, anything else that has to do with the actual coaching and developing part of being the HC.
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Post by gojira5150 » Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:35 pm

RemoAZ wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:42 pm
.Kodiak wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2024 1:39 pm
More than likely, after they got some tape on Mason he was going to start sucking just like the other two.

There's a reason no one wanted "Mason Almighty" as a starting QB, and he's starting out second on the depth chart behind the Ass Levis.

Rudolph just isn't and never will be a starting caliber QB. He's a good backup, but even then interest/money on him says he's more a "mid" backup.
I agree. It's funny how people cry over losing him. Just as funny as people thrilled with filling the QB room with players their teams didn't want.
That's not necessarily a fair statement. Remember these dudes:

Montana - Chiefs
Rogers - Jets
Favre - Jets
Moon - Vikings

I believe these guys are in HOF (Rogers will be there). I am not saying Wilson or Fields will be in HOF, but our QB room is light years ahead of where it was this time last year.
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Post by .Kodiak » Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:11 am

gojira5150 wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:35 pm

That's not necessarily a fair statement. Remember these dudes:

Montana - Chiefs
Rogers - Jets
Favre - Jets
Moon - Vikings
Wasn't Montana a free agent - with Steve Young waiting in the wings?

Rodgers forced a trade. Favre forced a trade.


Wilson was cut (with a huge cap hit), and the Bears were desperately trying to move Fields and ended-up settling for peanuts. I think Wilson was better last year than given credit for, but your examples are a bad comparison.

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Post by Jobu » Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:53 am

Wasn't Montana a free agent - with Steve Young waiting in the wings?
He was traded to KC for a 1st round pick.
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Post by Jobu » Mon Jul 08, 2024 5:13 am

Rodgers forced a trade. Favre forced a trade.
Rodgers may have forced a trade, but the Packers were ready to see what they had in Love.
Farve is a bit fuzzier. He retired, arguably due to Rodgers being elevated over him. But several months later, he unretired and insisted he wanted to continue playing in GB. The Packers were committed to AR and traded him to the Jets. He played one injury abbreviated season in NY, then retired for a second time. Then unretired once again, resurfacing in Minnesota.

In all three cases, the Packer (x2) and 9ers had legit QB replacements lined up.
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Post by Deebo » Mon Jul 08, 2024 12:49 pm

Jobu wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 4:53 am
Wasn't Montana a free agent - with Steve Young waiting in the wings?
He was traded to KC for a 1st round pick.
This is correct.

Montana nearly got killed vs the NYG in the NFCCG and once SF saw what they had in Young (plus he was much younger), they felt it was time to move on from Montana. They felt that Joe was washed up. He put up a good season or 2 in KC.

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Post by Obviously » Mon Jul 08, 2024 2:11 pm

langer wrote:
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Kenny is going to start over Hurts. MARK MY WORDS.
Only if Hurts gets hurt.
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Post by RemoAZ » Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:00 pm

.Kodiak wrote:
Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:11 am
gojira5150 wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2024 7:35 pm

That's not necessarily a fair statement. Remember these dudes:

Montana - Chiefs
Rogers - Jets
Favre - Jets
Moon - Vikings
Wasn't Montana a free agent - with Steve Young waiting in the wings?

Rodgers forced a trade. Favre forced a trade.


Wilson was cut (with a huge cap hit), and the Bears were desperately trying to move Fields and ended-up settling for peanuts. I think Wilson was better last year than given credit for, but your examples are a bad comparison.
Exactly. If any of the three they added turn into anything more than a filler for this season I'll be shocked. My fear is now that Tomlin has us locked into mediocrity for the next 4 years, he signs Wilson to an extension before he ever plays a game because we know Tomlin will not be developing any talent at the position. Then we'll be strapped with both of them.
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Post by Thrillsseeker » Tue Jul 09, 2024 12:18 am

We know what Canada put on tape with multiple QB’s. Hot garbage and clearly out of his element. I’ll be interested to see if Picket ever develops and ascends to what we all had hoped. The homer in me had myself convinced he would.

Reason for the post was as I watched the Steelers vs Rams I started laughing at Canada while in the box looking like he couldn’t handle the pressure at all. What a clown.
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Post by Scunge » Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:39 am

Ice wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:18 pm
langer wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:40 am
Kenny is going to start over Hurts. MARK MY WORDS.
I mean, Bubby played some decent games in Philly post-Steelers, so there's precedent. Man, after living in northern DE and hearing it about Pickett from Iggles fans for two years... the schadenfreude would be sweet.
Nah, give Walter Andrew Brister the 3rd his due. Broncos won back to back Super Bowls in 97-98. In 1998 Elway missed 4 games and parts of two others and Bubby was his backup. What did Bubby do? He went 4-0 as a starter, threw for almost 1,000 yards, 10 TDs, 3 INTs with a passer rating of 99.0 and also ran for 102 yards and 1 TD.

Yeah, Broncos went 14-2 that year and had home field advantage in the playoffs but what if Bubby didn't go 4-0 in those starts?? Elway missed time early in the season and then at midseason, if Bubby had shit the bed and they lose 2 or 3 of those games??? It might have changed the whole complexion of that season.

Bubby should be proud of that 98 season and he most definitely deserved that Super Bowl ring even as Elway's backup.

What I most remember about Bubby's time here is when Edie Tarbox was trying to fix Bubby Brister up with Dagney Hultgreen. What was it with all of the strange names of Pittsburgh TV personalities and athletes during the late 80s???

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Post by Ice » Fri Jul 12, 2024 6:37 am

I'll remember the 89 playoff run with the cameras constantly cutting to Bubby's mom in the stands. Was my first time ever seeing my Steelers in the playoffs, and I loved that team.

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Post by langer » Fri Jul 12, 2024 10:42 am

Scunge wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2024 5:39 am
Ice wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:18 pm
langer wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:40 am
Kenny is going to start over Hurts. MARK MY WORDS.
I mean, Bubby played some decent games in Philly post-Steelers, so there's precedent. Man, after living in northern DE and hearing it about Pickett from Iggles fans for two years... the schadenfreude would be sweet.
What I most remember about Bubby's time here is when Edie Tarbox was trying to fix Bubby Brister up with Dagney Hultgreen. What was it with all of the strange names of Pittsburgh TV personalities and athletes during the late 80s???
Ha, Darieth Chisolm too.

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