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Re: Whaley Opines

Post by SteelerDayTrader » Sat Jul 13, 2024 3:11 pm

Deebo wrote:
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bradshaw2ben wrote:
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K_C_ wrote:
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Cam Heyward is on the wrong side of 30 and is coming off an injury riddled season.

If he re-signs with the Steelers (big if, but don’t think the Steelers give a shit if he’s back or not) what kind of contract do you see Heyward getting?
I think Heyward is a made man. They won't jettison him.
Well I think the Heyward and Najee contracts will be a perfect bellweather to know who really runs the show.

- If 1 or both are resigned, then you know Tomlin is still pulling the strings
- If they don't offer contracts, then Khan/Weidl have the power

Believe it or not, we're at a possible inflection point of this franchise. Much like Cowher/Donahue...we'll see who wins this power struggle.

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Post by Deebo » Mon Jul 15, 2024 2:12 pm

anpsteel wrote:
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K_C_ wrote:
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anpsteel wrote:
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I think there is about zero chance they pay Najee $8+ mil per/yr

And Cam will get a thank you deal

3 years, $45-$50mil w/ $20mil guaranteed

not sure if that what he’s expecting, but I don’t think they can go much higher than that, in terms of guaranteed money. Maybe $25m
Holy shit.

If they give Cam Heyward 20 million guaranteed at this point of his career, that might be the dumbest signing in Steelers history.

The guy is on fumes.

I think you might be right on this if Colbert were still calling the shots. Khan ain't Colbert and I don't think Khan is afraid to say; "Um...NO" to Heyward,.

Najee is still young and while he isn't an elite back, he's very solid and with a much improved offensive line, don't be surprised if Harris has a huge year. I think if Najee returns, he will get a nice deal for all involved. Harris still has very good years ahead of him. Heyward doesn't.
I'm not convinced Cam is done.

The 3 year, $45/$50 mil w/ $20mil guaranteed is a fairly team friendly structure. He's getting $16m this year anyway. Which is why I think it might take $25m guaranteed, to make it work.

So you have the 16 from this season. at $25- that leaves essentially $9mil more guaranteed for next season, even if he can't play.

You could put some verbiage in the contract about health and voidable years.... or whatever.

Anyway, they have to pay Cam. The dude has been a rock and a tremendous leader. It would be absolutely terrible optics and leadership to let him walk.
Pretty good leadership to say you're not showing up unless you have a new contract. Even though you have 1 more year left and you've show up to all previous voluntary workouts.
Yes, that's exactly the type of dudes I want learning from Cam Heyward :roll:

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Post by steelmann58 » Sat Jul 20, 2024 12:24 am

I am not extending a 35 year old at this point they can save the money for next year

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Post by cop1211 » Thu Aug 01, 2024 4:45 pm

They’d be dumb as hell resigning Heyward and Harris.
I expect them to resign both.
With a lot of teams being way over the cap soon they should let both walk. Draft a RB in the 3rd or 4th, and sign a good young D lineman, along with drafting another in the first or second.

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Post by anpsteel » Tue Sep 03, 2024 8:57 pm

anpsteel wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2024 12:27 pm
K_C_ wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:14 pm
anpsteel wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:00 pm



I think there is about zero chance they pay Najee $8+ mil per/yr

And Cam will get a thank you deal

3 years, $45-$50mil w/ $20mil guaranteed

not sure if that what he’s expecting, but I don’t think they can go much higher than that, in terms of guaranteed money. Maybe $25m
Holy shit.

If they give Cam Heyward 20 million guaranteed at this point of his career, that might be the dumbest signing in Steelers history.

The guy is on fumes.

I think you might be right on this if Colbert were still calling the shots. Khan ain't Colbert and I don't think Khan is afraid to say; "Um...NO" to Heyward,.

Najee is still young and while he isn't an elite back, he's very solid and with a much improved offensive line, don't be surprised if Harris has a huge year. I think if Najee returns, he will get a nice deal for all involved. Harris still has very good years ahead of him. Heyward doesn't.
I'm not convinced Cam is done.

The 3 year, $45/$50 mil w/ $20mil guaranteed is a fairly team friendly structure. He's getting $16m this year anyway. Which is why I think it might take $25m guaranteed, to make it work.

So you have the 16 from this season. at $25- that leaves essentially $9mil more guaranteed for next season, even if he can't play.

You could put some verbiage in the contract about health and voidable years.... or whatever.

Anyway, they have to pay Cam. The dude has been a rock and a tremendous leader. It would be absolutely terrible optics and leadership to let him walk.


In regard to Najee... I have no issues with him; either as a person or player. He seems like a good dude and busts his ass.

I just can't mentally justify a C2 for a meh RB.

Would he take less than $8m p/yr ??? I doubt it, and I don't blame him. I just don't want it to be the Steelers that pay him.

Save the loot. Draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round and move on.
That's a bingo


#Steelers and DE Cam Heyward have agreed on an extension per @JFowlerESPN


Deal is for $45M over 3 years with $29M in new money + $16M fully guaranteed.

https://x.com/SteelersNetwork/status/18 ... 6736886802

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Post by Pabst » Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:03 pm

Jeremy Fowler
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Sources: The #Steelers and six-time Pro Bowl DE Cam Heyward have agreed to a three-year, $45M deal that includes $29 million in new money and $16 million fully guaranteed.

Heyward, 35, who had $16M left on the final year of his previous deal, is now under contract through 2026, allowing a long-time captain to retire a Steeler. His signing bonus is nearly $15M.
My positive spin on this is that the $16m in guaranteed $ is basically what they're paying him this season.

Would like to see the structure of the deal, but if Cam declines they can likely just cut him with little penalty.

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Post by Still Diesel » Tue Sep 03, 2024 9:49 pm

K_C_ wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:34 am
bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2024 9:39 pm
Well, Whaley's case will be stronger when they re-sign Cam Heyward & Najee to big deals.
I could see Najee getting a little more than he’s worth but Heyward is not getting a multi-year deal, unless it comes with little or no guarantees.

No way.
$16 million guaranteed surprised me as well.

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