Steelers Best Interest

[Legacy User]

i would appeal to Swiss on this -- but here's my proposition

This coaching staff needs to be replaced, because we will never win another Super Bowl with Tomlin and Co

But this staff will never be fired if they keep up the 8-8 seasons (at least, this is what the rooney defenders say -- we're in a "down cycle" right now, and every successful coach goes thru mediocre seasons)

I don't believe the Rooney defenders -- i believe we have good enough talent on this team to win the AFC North right now, but that coaching is keeping us from winning.

If that's the case, we need to see the Steelers lose more games so that Rooney is compelled to act and to act decisively, the way Mario did with the Pens this year.

Mario fired the GM and the HC, and those guys brought us to 2 Stanley Cups, and won ONE! Most NHL clubs would love that -- but Mario thought they were underperforming with the talent the pens have, so they were fired

Same thing needs to happen with the Steelers

So, what is SBI in this case?

[Legacy User]

honestly, lose out so the coaching staff will be fired. start fresh with some top 3 picks.

[Legacy User]

Ben needs to go. He'll be too old to matter if/when this team ever gets a clue.
Keep the coaching staff in tact.
Give Landry Jones his chance.
Go 2-14. Fire everyone.
Get a new head coach that, you know, actually can coach.
Draft a new franchise QB.
Surround that QB with real talent, not smurfs.
Surround that QB with big mothers who will protect the franchise.
Then, get your defense last.

[Steelperch]

Ben needs to go. He'll be too old to matter if/when this team ever gets a clue.
Keep the coaching staff in tact.
Give Landry Jones his chance.
Go 2-14. Fire everyone.
Get a new head coach that, you know, actually can coach.
Draft a new franchise QB.
Surround that QB with real talent, not smurfs.
Surround that QB with big mothers who will protect the franchise.
Then, get your defense last.

Funny you think QBs of his caliber grow on trees. Steelers are a handful of players and a couple of coaches away from contending. This staff minimizes the talent they do have.

[Legacy User]

Ben needs to go. He'll be too old to matter if/when this team ever gets a clue.
Keep the coaching staff in tact.
Give Landry Jones his chance.
Go 2-14. Fire everyone.
Get a new head coach that, you know, actually can coach.
Draft a new franchise QB.
Surround that QB with real talent, not smurfs.
Surround that QB with big mothers who will protect the franchise.
Then, get your defense last.

Funny you think QBs of his caliber grow on trees. Steelers are a handful of players and a couple of coaches away from contending. This staff minimizes the talent they do have.

By now you know I'm one of Ben's biggest defenders. Fact is this team is more than a handful of players away, it is a handful of coaches and FO people away from contending. By the time that mess gets cleaned Ben will be too old to matter. Time really for Ben to get on with collecting his bling elsewhere.

[Kodiak]

Funny you think QBs of his caliber grow on trees. Steelers are a handful of players and a couple of coaches away from contending. This staff minimizes the talent they do have.

I don't disagree, but Ben has maybe 4 good years left. You're talking walking away from the draft picks and sinking another $80M or so into the position for what might be MAYBE a 2-yr window.

The scenario I mentioned where one or both parties wants a trade is unfolding. It's why a deal was never done.

[955876]

Best case scenario, Ben goes from team player to me player.

Me or them.

I don't sign an extension unless you get me weapons and better coaching.

[Stillchest]

Ben needs to go. He'll be too old to matter if/when this team ever gets a clue.
Keep the coaching staff in tact.
Give Landry Jones his chance.
Go 2-14. Fire everyone.
Get a new head coach that, you know, actually can coach.
Draft a new franchise QB.
Surround that QB with real talent, not smurfs.
Surround that QB with big mothers who will protect the franchise.
Then, get your defense last.

Funny you think QBs of his caliber grow on trees. Steelers are a handful of players and a couple of coaches away from contending. This staff minimizes the talent they do have.

Sure.

Out of respect and gratitude for Ben, it would seem appropriate for Ben to remove himself from a pointless rebuilding process.

Does anyone feel confident in a rebuilding process headed by Tomlin, Colbert, and Art II?

[tbsteel]

SBI is more of the same this week the rest of the year.

True f'n story.

[955876]

Does anyone feel confident in a rebuilding process headed by Tomlin, Colbert, and Art II?

These fucks can't even get their starting RBs and OC on the team plane.

[Legacy User]

Cowher was right @ halftime when he said the 2nd half we'd see what the 2014 Steelers were made of.

[Legacy User]

Does anyone feel confident in a rebuilding process headed by Tomlin, Colbert, and Art II?

I have a hard time with the Art 2 complaints. He's been in charge of the team for all three of our past SB appearances.

[Legacy User]

Is that AB's 5th catch? Time to sit him for next week.

[Legacy User]

Best case scenario, Ben goes from team player to me player.

Me or them.

I don't sign an extension unless you get me weapons and better coaching.

Agreed. and new coaches

[Jobu]

The coaching staff has to go! But anyone that believes the talent on this team is only a few players away is delusional. Talent wise, this team is in the Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Oakland level. Cleveland is an average team right now, and they're bitch slapping them, and laughing at them. There are guys on this team that don't belong in the league! A lot of them.

[Legacy User]

Does anyone feel confident in a rebuilding process headed by Tomlin, Colbert, and Art II?

I have a hard time with the Art 2 complaints. He's been in charge of the team for all three of our past SB appearances.

Then why would he suddenly forget the common denominator (#7) that existed for those appearances that didn't exist most of the Cowher era?

[jeemie]

Ben needs to go. He'll be too old to matter if/when this team ever gets a clue.
Keep the coaching staff in tact.
Give Landry Jones his chance.
Go 2-14. Fire everyone.
Get a new head coach that, you know, actually can coach.
Draft a new franchise QB.
Surround that QB with real talent, not smurfs.
Surround that QB with big mothers who will protect the franchise.
Then, get your defense last.

Funny you think QBs of his caliber grow on trees. Steelers are a handful of players and a couple of coaches away from contending. This staff minimizes the talent they do have.

They don't grow on trees but unless the coaching staff goes, the team will not be rebuilt to won...and I do not believe they are just a few players away.

He would tie up a huge portion of the salary cap for...what, again, exactly?

Let him go...do a total rebuild...and then also see if he can win somewhere else for him.

Sad to say it...it might be the only way out.

[Stillchest]

Does anyone feel confident in a rebuilding process headed by Tomlin, Colbert, and Art II?

I have a hard time with the Art 2 complaints. He's been in charge of the team for all three of our past SB appearances.

Really?

Art II is the man responsible for employing Mike Tomlin.

So, I hold him responsible, as well.

[Legacy User]

Then why would he suddenly forget the common denominator (#7) that existed for those appearances that didn't exist most of the Cowher era?

You're assuming he's the type of owner who interferes with his coaches like Jones or Snyder. A good owner hires his people and lets them do their job. The only time I can recall him being active in that regard is when he lit a fire under Cowher's ass that finally led to #5. Now, if he keeps Tomlin after this dumpster fire then I'll get on board.

[Jobu]

Does anyone feel confident in a rebuilding process headed by Tomlin, Colbert, and Art II?

I have a hard time with the Art 2 complaints. He's been in charge of the team for all three of our past SB appearances.

Yeah, but they were Dan's players.

[Legacy User]

Does anyone feel confident in a rebuilding process headed by Tomlin, Colbert, and Art II?

I have a hard time with the Art 2 complaints. He's been in charge of the team for all three of our past SB appearances.

Then why would he suddenly forget the common denominator (#7) that existed for those appearances that didn't exist most of the Cowher era?

Allegedville. Ben wont be allowed to be the face of the franchise anymore.

[Legacy User]

Does anyone feel confident in a rebuilding process headed by Tomlin, Colbert, and Art II?

I have a hard time with the Art 2 complaints. He's been in charge of the team for all three of our past SB appearances.

Yeah, but they were Dan's players.

Not Ben, since he was drafted in '04. Kind of shoots that argument in the ass.

[Suwanee88]

Ben needs to go. He'll be too old to matter if/when this team ever gets a clue.
Keep the coaching staff in tact.
Give Landry Jones his chance.
Go 2-14. Fire everyone.
Get a new head coach that, you know, actually can coach.
Draft a new franchise QB.
Surround that QB with real talent, not smurfs.
Surround that QB with big mothers who will protect the franchise.
Then, get your defense last.

Funny you think QBs of his caliber grow on trees. Steelers are a handful of players and a couple of coaches away from contending. This staff minimizes the talent they do have.

What do you think they will have to pay Ben?

[Legacy User]

Ben needs to go. He'll be too old to matter if/when this team ever gets a clue.
Keep the coaching staff in tact.
Give Landry Jones his chance.
Go 2-14. Fire everyone.
Get a new head coach that, you know, actually can coach.
Draft a new franchise QB.
Surround that QB with real talent, not smurfs.
Surround that QB with big mothers who will protect the franchise.
Then, get your defense last.

Funny you think QBs of his caliber grow on trees. Steelers are a handful of players and a couple of coaches away from contending. This staff minimizes the talent they do have.

What do you think they will have to pay Ben?

Remember ROAD HOUSE the movie. The guy who owned the town asked Patrick Swayzee how much it would take to hire him.
Swayzee said "NO AMOUNT OF MONEY." That's what I'd expect Ben to say.

If Ben remains silent in the off season and extends his contract WITH THE SAME COACHES & FO INTACT then I will lose all respect for him

[Kodiak]

If Ben remains silent in the off season and extends his contract WITH THE SAME COACHES & FO INTACT then I will lose all respect for him

If Ben is willing to sign without coaching changes then PIT would be making a big mistake. Lose respect or whatever, the only reason Ben does that deal is because he wants a check and doesn't care any more = ginormous mistake.

But multiple people called me an idiot for thinking Ben didn't sign a deal because he's in wait-and-see mode.

[Legacy User]

If Ben remains silent in the off season and extends his contract WITH THE SAME COACHES & FO INTACT then I will lose all respect for him

If Ben is willing to sign without coaching changes then PIT would be making a big mistake. Lose respect or whatever, the only reason Ben does that deal is because he wants a check and doesn't care any more = ginormous mistake.

But multiple people called me an idiot for thinking Ben didn't sign a deal because he's in wait-and-see mode.[/quote]

I was not one of those people.
In fact, I thought it was mutual wait-and-see mode.
But, as you've pointed out, saying this would have resulted in my being labeled as you were. so better that I just said nothing at the time.

[Stillchest]

Out of respect and gratitude for Ben, I hope he leaves the Steelers.

The Steelers are a sinking ship and have been, and until the house is cleaned, they are headed for dark days.

It's a shame.

[Suwanee88]

Out of respect and gratitude for Ben, I hope he leaves the Steelers.

The Steelers are a sinking ship and have been, and until the house is cleaned, they are headed for dark days.

It's a shame.

at least get a 5 for him

[swissvale72]

i would appeal to Swiss on this -- but here's my proposition

This coaching staff needs to be replaced, because we will never win another Super Bowl with Tomlin and Co

But this staff will never be fired if they keep up the 8-8 seasons (at least, this is what the rooney defenders say -- we're in a "down cycle" right now, and every successful coach goes thru mediocre seasons)

I don't believe the Rooney defenders -- i believe we have good enough talent on this team to win the AFC North right now, but that coaching is keeping us from winning.

If that's the case, we need to see the Steelers lose more games so that Rooney is compelled to act and to act decisively, the way Mario did with the Pens this year.

Mario fired the GM and the HC, and those guys brought us to 2 Stanley Cups, and won ONE! Most NHL clubs would love that -- but Mario thought they were underperforming with the talent the pens have, so they were fired

Same thing needs to happen with the Steelers

So, what is SBI in this case?

I'm rooting for Steelers to win going forward. As 43 so aptly put it a few weeks ago, there''s no apparent limit to Art II's stupidity. Tomlin could go 3-13 this year and I'm not assuming he's shitcanned.

[Legacy User]

If Ben is smart, he leaves town at the first opportunity while he has productive years left. He will not get any more chances with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Will take too long to get the ship turned around.