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Assuming both are healthy next week, who should start at QB.

Russ. The offense today wasn't viable in the long run. Maybe Russ won't be very good, but the Steelers need to find out. I have a feeling that this year's QB position will be like it was in 2019 with the swapping back and forth between Mason and Duck,

Wilson.

This was a patch job because it needed to be.

This is Wilson’s offense now. We cannot keep doing what we are doing.

One guy is in his fourth year in the league and still cannot comfortably take a snap under center.

At least Russ used to be good.

I’m waffling on this a bit. I’ve said it should be Wilson all along. Fields threw it pretty well today, adds the run element, and Wilson has no shot at being the long term starter. At least they could give Fields an extended audition. Maybe flip it back to Russ for a few games and if he is no better than what Fields did today go back to the younger guy.

I’m sure Tomlin will find a way to fuck it up.

I just have to laugh if you think that the offense is gonna be any different with Russ. What we saw today is exactly what Tomlin wants from the QB. 150-200ish yards, take care of the ball, control the clock. Who needs TDs?
Today’s game was a Mike Tomlin wet dream.

Jobu wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:33 pm

I just have to laugh if you think that the offense is gonna be any different with Russ. What we saw today is exactly what Tomlin wants from the QB. 150-200ish yards, take care of the ball, control the clock. Who needs TDs?
Today’s game was a Mike Tomlin wet dream.

In a perverse way, we'd be better off in the long run if Boswell tore his ACL in practice this week and the Steelers actually had to try to score TDs the rest of the season. Boswell is the ultimate enabler of Tomlinball. Let's see Tomlin adapt to not having a kicker who's automatic at 55 yards.

Jobu wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:33 pm

I just have to laugh if you think that the offense is gonna be any different with Russ. What we saw today is exactly what Tomlin wants from the QB. 150-200ish yards, take care of the ball, control the clock. Who needs TDs?
Today’s game was a Mike Tomlin wet dream.

That’s what I was about to add. Wilson is the better choice under a real NFL offense and coordinator. Under Tomlin, Fields might be better because he can run. Neither will throw it down the field consistently or attack the middle of the field. It’s all small ball.

I don’t particularly expect to see things improve dramatically with Wilson, but he has a long term track record as one of the top QBs in the NFL and Fields has a long term track record as one of the worst QBs in the NFL. And I didn’t see anything today that made me optimistic about Fields.

Mick wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:36 pm

I don’t particularly expect to see things improve dramatically with Wilson, but he has a long term track record as one of the top QBs in the NFL and Fields gas a long term track record as one of the worst QBs in the NFL. And I didn’t see anything today that made me optimistic about Fields.

Right, I'm generally confused by those who are raving over Fields' 200 total yard, 0 TD performance today. He was ok, but he didn't even look that great on his runs- he didn't run any better than mid-career Ben. He looked better than KP and Mitch looked last season, but that's certainly damning with faint praise.

Arthur Smith better show something fast because he just looks like Matt Canada at this point with these dogshit play designs and stupid conservative calls.

Saints scored 47 points.

I’m telling you the rules now encourage and promote scoring.

The Steelers are a lost franchise

W&M_Steeler wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:38 pm

Mick wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:36 pm

I don’t particularly expect to see things improve dramatically with Wilson, but he has a long term track record as one of the top QBs in the NFL and Fields gas a long term track record as one of the worst QBs in the NFL. And I didn’t see anything today that made me optimistic about Fields.

Right, I'm generally confused by those who are raving over Fields' 200 total yard, 0 TD performance today. He was ok, but he didn't even look that great on his runs- he didn't run any better than mid-career Ben. He looked better than KP and Mitch looked last season, but that's certainly damning with faint praise.

Hope you feel the same next week and Wilson can't run at all and is no threat to run when things break down. When he's taking a sack-fumble that'll be great.

gojira5150 wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:43 pm

W&M_Steeler wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:38 pm

Mick wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:36 pm

I don’t particularly expect to see things improve dramatically with Wilson, but he has a long term track record as one of the top QBs in the NFL and Fields gas a long term track record as one of the worst QBs in the NFL. And I didn’t see anything today that made me optimistic about Fields.

Right, I'm generally confused by those who are raving over Fields' 200 total yard, 0 TD performance today. He was ok, but he didn't even look that great on his runs- he didn't run any better than mid-career Ben. He looked better than KP and Mitch looked last season, but that's certainly damning with faint praise.

Hope you feel the same next week and Wilson can't run at all and is no threat to run when things break down. When he's taking a sack-fumble that'll be great.

Hopefully Russ can take a snap without fumbling it. And maybe Russ can be on target with his short throws, unlike JF was today. But the truth is they probably both suck.

If Wilson missed this week, that means he's not healthy.

You rush an old QB with calf issues back too soon and Fields will be your QB all year long.

Absolutely no reason to rush Wilson back. Fields made some nice throws in an incredibly conservative offense and Fields using his legs to make plays was refreshing.

Also Fields didn't come close to turning the ball over.

They'd be idiots to rush Wilson back but that's probably what Tomlin will do.

Orangesteel wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:39 pm

Arthur Smith better show something fast because he just looks like Matt Canada at this point with these dogshit play designs and stupid conservative calls.

Art Smith, Matt Canada, Randy Fichtner, Todd Haley…no matter. There is one common denominator…well, maybe two. There’s a reason why BA and his throw it downfield philosophy got canned and it wasn’t because Ben was getting hit.

Orangesteel wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:39 pm

Arthur Smith better show something fast because he just looks like Matt Canada at this point with these dogshit play designs and stupid conservative calls.

Not sure if you’re drinking or what but he’s nowhere fucking near Matt Canada this offense, the schemes some of the plays that were drawn up were fucking light years ahead of Matt Canada.

On what QB to start; I’ve been on the Rus Wilson train and if he sucks and we suck, switch to Fields.

With Rus hurt, I’d rather stick to Fields now for at least 2-4 weeks and see what he can do. If he starts to click and can manage wins, keep him in. If he struggles and makes it look official, he wouldn’t return, put Russel in and draft a QB next yr. If he “saves our season” and plays well, try and sign him for 2-3 more yrs and still draft a QB.

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:45 pm

Also Fields didn't come close to turning the ball over.

Missed the start of the game, I guess?

bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:52 pm

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:45 pm

Also Fields didn't come close to turning the ball over.

Missed the start of the game, I guess?

You mean the bad exchange he easily fell on?

Didn't he take it for a 3 yard gain or am I thinking of another play?

Also, they had no more center exchange issues after that.

Steelperch wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:36 pm

Jobu wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:33 pm

I just have to laugh if you think that the offense is gonna be any different with Russ. What we saw today is exactly what Tomlin wants from the QB. 150-200ish yards, take care of the ball, control the clock. Who needs TDs?
Today’s game was a Mike Tomlin wet dream.

That’s what I was about to add. Wilson is the better choice under a real NFL offense and coordinator. Under Tomlin, Fields might be better because he can run. Neither will throw it down the field consistently or attack the middle of the field. It’s all small ball.

That is a good point and something I was thinking about earlier.

We all know that the called offense is going to be a neutered shitfest whether it's Wilson or Fields. Tons of quick passes at or near the LOS and nothing over the middle of the field with occasional deep sideline shot to Pickens.

But a neutered version of Fields could actually be a nice fit for Tomlin's ball-control, charred aborted fetus of NFL offense. The ability for Fields to get 5-6 yards on the ground when none of our WRs are open, and pick up those 3rd and shorts that our offense is designed to get to is nice. And he does throw a nice deep ball.

But it's still concerning that the guy is in his fourth year and looks about as comfortable taking a snap under center as I would.

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:55 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:52 pm

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:45 pm

Also Fields didn't come close to turning the ball over.

Missed the start of the game, I guess?

You mean the bad exchange he easily fell on?

Didn't he take it for a 3 yard gain or am I thinking of another play?

Also, they had no more center exchange issues after that.

The ball shot forward three and a half yards and he did manage to get it back but that is the very definition of coming close to turning the ball over.

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:55 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:52 pm

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:45 pm

Also Fields didn't come close to turning the ball over.

Missed the start of the game, I guess?

You mean the bad exchange he easily fell on?

Didn't he take it for a 3 yard gain or am I thinking of another play?

Also, they had no more center exchange issues after that.

There were two bad exchanges in a row to start the game.

bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:52 pm

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:45 pm

Also Fields didn't come close to turning the ball over.

Missed the start of the game, I guess?

Hey, it was a 3 yard gain…which is probably what they would’ve had from the usual game opening Najee plunge into the line!

Thrillsseeker wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:48 pm

Orangesteel wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:39 pm

Arthur Smith better show something fast because he just looks like Matt Canada at this point with these dogshit play designs and stupid conservative calls.

Not sure if you’re drinking or what but he’s nowhere fucking near Matt Canada this offense, the schemes some of the plays that were drawn up were fucking light years ahead of Matt Canada.

On what QB to start; I’ve been on the Rus Wilson train and if he sucks and we suck, switch to Fields.

With Rus hurt, I’d rather stick to Fields now for at least 2-4 weeks and see what he can do. If he starts to click and can manage wins, keep him in. If he struggles and makes it look official, he wouldn’t return, put Russel in and draft a QB next yr. If he “saves our season” and plays well, try and sign him for 2-3 more yrs and still draft a QB.

Riiiiiiight…

270 yards and no touchdowns. Multiple plays on third down to get 3-4 yards to make the FG closer instead of aggressive play calling to try and move the sticks.

But sure, nothing like Matt Canada. You are right.

I think as the game went on Fields definitely got more comfortable. I'm not wild about the play calling, but he played reasonably well and I'd like to see what he does with a week of first team reps.

Orangesteel wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:58 pm

Thrillsseeker wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:48 pm

Orangesteel wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:39 pm

Arthur Smith better show something fast because he just looks like Matt Canada at this point with these dogshit play designs and stupid conservative calls.

Not sure if you’re drinking or what but he’s nowhere fucking near Matt Canada this offense, the schemes some of the plays that were drawn up were fucking light years ahead of Matt Canada.

On what QB to start; I’ve been on the Rus Wilson train and if he sucks and we suck, switch to Fields.

With Rus hurt, I’d rather stick to Fields now for at least 2-4 weeks and see what he can do. If he starts to click and can manage wins, keep him in. If he struggles and makes it look official, he wouldn’t return, put Russel in and draft a QB next yr. If he “saves our season” and plays well, try and sign him for 2-3 more yrs and still draft a QB.

Riiiiiiight…

270 yards and no touchdowns. Multiple plays on third down to get 3-4 yards to make the FG closer instead of aggressive play calling to try and move the sticks.

But sure, nothing like Matt Canada. You are right.

No need to tell me, I know I’m right.

Carry on with your incessant negativity. It’s great reading. lol.

bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:56 pm

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:55 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:52 pm

Missed the start of the game, I guess?

You mean the bad exchange he easily fell on?

Didn't he take it for a 3 yard gain or am I thinking of another play?

Also, they had no more center exchange issues after that.

The ball shot forward three and a half yards and he did manage to get it back but that is the very definition of coming close to turning the ball over.

Yep, Fields has always had fumble issues and with a rookie center, that’s a recipe for disaster so that’s fair. I’ll take that one fuck up by Fields on the first play of the season vs Cousins trying to turn it over about 8 times.

Fields, in this conservative offense, is going to be the better option.

Look I’m negative because they are rolling out the same shit. It’s probably Tomlin, but Smith needs to show me something. That’s what I originally said.

I’m happy they are 1-0. I will always celebrate a win. But this is a season about trending; like, where are we going?

That looked like a W we’ve had the last 2 season, 34 or so games. Same shit. Same risk averse playcalling. Same boring football that perpetuates NHALS and does nothing more. Facts, brother.

Jobu wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:57 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:52 pm

K_C_ wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:45 pm

Also Fields didn't come close to turning the ball over.

Missed the start of the game, I guess?

Hey, it was a 3 yard gain…which is probably what they would’ve had from the usual game opening Najee plunge into the line!

For a whole half of football, it was more than they gained per pass!

Look at this passing chart: https://x.com/Steelersdepot/status/1832 ... gr%5Etweet

How can a team just totally abandon the concept of throwing to the middle of the field?

The Mike Tomlin 1930s Offense cannot succeed in the playoffs.