Agree and Disagree

[Legacy User]

My opinions ..... in contrast to general board's opinion.


1, Agree - Vince Williams is becoming a force. I wanted to trade him in the pre-season because
we could get value in a 3rd round pick or a good DB. I was wrong. Williams has serious mean streak
and he seems to be playing much faster.

2. Disagree - Our new corners Blake and McCain get toasted a lot. I disagree. I see them around the ball getting
better all the time. I can see us drafting a DB in rounds 1 or 2 but I also think these guys will
continue to grow.

3, Agree - The large distance our corners are told to play off the WR on many occasions will not work against
elite QBs. Brady eats that shit up. The only way to beat Brady is to force him to find the player that
beat man coverage and try to get hits on him as often as possible because he will need to hold the
ball when coverage is good. Trying to confuse an elite QB is a waste of time.

4. Disagree - This one will get me ridiculed. Archer will not be a wasted pick. His transition into the NFL has
been real rough because for the first time in his life he can't just run away from everyone. Archer
has excellent character. He will add 10 lbs of muscle in the off-season and come back ready to
contribute,

Go ahead and flame away or add some of your own.

[Legacy User]

I'm holding out hope for Dri as well.

[Legacy User]

The problem with Dri isn't lack of muscle. It's a lack of wiggle and vision.

[Kodiak]

The problem with Dri isn't lack of muscle. It's a lack of wiggle and vision.

Unfortunately. I want to believe, but I just don't see the potential.

[Legacy User]

I like it Steeley.

[K_C_]

The problem with Dri isn't lack of muscle. It's a lack of wiggle and vision.

Exactly.

He is the Stan Belinda of football players. He goes real fast, but in a straight line and he's easy to hit.

[Legacy User]

you don't need wiggle in space if your fast enough to outrun everyone in a straight line

Mike Wallace didn't have wiggle and he scored 32 TD's before moving on with his life's work of continual 7 yard curl routes

[RemoAZ]

The problem with Dri isn't lack of muscle. It's a lack of wiggle and vision.

Exactly.

He is the Stan Belinda of football players. He goes real fast, but in a straight line and he's easy to hit.

Let's just hope he doesn't throw that freaking hanging slider! Damnit Leyland. Just leave Drabek in until his arm falls off!

[K_C_]

Wallace could make people miss and has done it often.

Not a lot with wiggle, but with changing speeds. Wallace could go from normal speed to fucking WARP SPEED in a millisecond.

You couldn't get an angle on Mike Wallace and went he went sideways to avoid defenders in pursuit, it was fucking OVER.

When Dri Archer goes sideways, he's toast.

Using Wallace as an example as to why Archer might be successful simply doesn't work.

[Legacy User]

you don't need wiggle in space if your fast enough to outrun everyone in a straight line

Mike Wallace didn't have wiggle and he scored 32 TD's before moving on with his life's work of continual 7 yard curl routes

The problem is Archer isn't fast in pads. I don't care that he ran a 4.2 40 at the combine because it looks like he's running a 4.8 when he plays on Sundays.

[Steeldrama]

Steelman65, I too am a fan of Vince Williams. He had a hit on a goal line stand at Senior Bowl practices that was simply thunderous. It was a mere flash of his potential but it caught my attention in a Kendrell Bell kind of way. Still, I don't think a team would part with a 3rd pick for him now let alone back in the preseason when he was battling the likes of Jordan Zumwalt for a roster spot.

What concerns me about Dri Archer is if the Steelers deem his selection a failure do they keep burning valuable draft picks on the Archers and Chris Raineys of college football just so Haley can have his midget McCluster? After the Colts selected Donte Moncrief I had hoped the Steelers would draft Martavious Bryant with their 3rd rd comp pick. Hearing Archers name called stunned me but thankfully Bryant lasted until the Steelers next pick in rd 4 so by my twisted logic the Steelers wasted a 4th rd pick rather than a 3rd.

So going forward for Tombert I leave you with these words of wisdom from the great Lou Brown, "Nice catch Hayes. Don't ever fucking do it again."

[Drummer Boy]

The problem with Dri isn't lack of muscle. It's a lack of wiggle and vision.

Exactly.

He is the Stan Belinda of football players. He goes real fast, but in a straight line and he's easy to hit.

Let's just hope he doesn't throw that freaking hanging slider! Damnit Leyland. Just leave Drabek in until his arm falls off!

If Chico Lind just fields that fucking ground ball, Drabek never comes out.

[franco>madden]

Damn you SOBs --- can't we even make it through the Holidays and get to Spring Training before the annual tearing the scab off that 1992 wound, frozen in time as Spanky awaits, 8 feet up the first-base line, for that five-hopper from Mr. October Jr., Barry Bones . . .

[Legacy User]

I wondered at the time about using Wakefield in relief there. The Braves couldn't hit him.

[Legacy User]

I wondered at the time about using Wakefield in relief there. The Braves couldn't hit him.

Yes. Wakefield pitched game six but his arm didn't get worn out, the way he pitched.

Or even better--Leyland should have started him in game one. He was penciled in but Leyland changed his mind, thinking the pressure would be too much. If he'd left him as the starter for game one he would have pitched games one, four, and seven, and it's the Pirates who go on to play the Blue Jays.

Hindsight's 20-20 but Leyland's decision to swap in Drabek for game one was one of the most catastrophic moves in Pirates history.

[SteelWIll]

Plus, I think Sid Bream still lives in Pittsburgh, according to my family...

[franco>madden]

Plus, I think Sid Bream still lives in Pittsburgh, according to my family...

Yeah Bream's a good guy, somehow don't have any negative feelings for him in the aftermath --- plenty of Pirates + Cabrera + the rest of the Fuckin' Braves and the wife-beater Cox and tomahawk-robot fans to blame for that debacle.

Thank God the Buccos have finally (started) to climb out of that 20-year crater these past 2 seasons

[jeemie]

I wondered at the time about using Wakefield in relief there. The Braves couldn't hit him.

Yes. Wakefield pitched game six but his arm didn't get worn out, the way he pitched.

Or even better--Leyland should have started him in game one. He was penciled in but Leyland changed his mind, thinking the pressure would be too much. If he'd left him as the starter for game one he would have pitched games one, four, and seven, and it's the Pirates who go on to play the Blue Jays.

Hindsight's 20-20 but Leyland's decision to swap in Drabek for game one was one of the most catastrophic moves in Pirates history.

When game 6 became a rout, Leyland should have pulled Wakefield and saved him for game 7.

Now- the downside to that would have been that, as Wakefield learned 11 years later (when he had a similar marvelous run in the 2003 ALCS), if your knuckler doesn't flutter, it ends up 400 feet away.

[jeemie]

After the sac fly, on the next batter, Belinda got terribly squeezed by the substitute home plate ump (damn that fat John McSherry) and the bases were reloaded.

[Ice]

The way this thread turned out typefies everything I love about Pittsburgh sports, its fans, and this site. You guys literally made my morning with this one.

[StillMadAtSlobber]

The problem with Dri isn't lack of muscle. It's a lack of wiggle and vision.

So he's Willie Parker, minus 25% body mass and 50% heart?

[Legacy User]

I agree on Williams.

Disagree on the rest.

[955876]

Hearing Archers name called stunned me but thankfully Bryant lasted until the Steelers next pick in rd 4

Damn lucky...

Imagine the draft without him.

Tombert might have drafted a QB to compete with Landry...

[86n96]

The problem with Dri isn't lack of muscle. It's a lack of wiggle and vision.

So he's Willie Parker, minus 25% body mass and 50% heart?

the mass part, maybe. i'm not going to question the kid's heart.

it's his first year. smith loves his attitude and work ethic. haley likes him. the locker room likes the kid. i'm not going to judge him based on limited rookie year action. his head's probably swimming all season. some transition slower than others, hence the 3 year rule when judging draft picks.

i will agree that 3rd round was way too high, but that doesn't mean he won't contribute like a 3rd eventually.

[Kodiak]

i will agree that 3rd round was way too high, but that doesn't mean he won't contribute like a 3rd eventually.

It would be huge if he could be like a Dave Meggett (minus the 30-yr prison sentence).

I just don't see the natural RAC and route-running ability. Didn't see it on his highlight reels, either. I'm afraid he'll be a bust, less of an NFL player than Chris Rainey.

[955876]

Josh Harris actually looks better on tape than Archer does. IMO

[86n96]

i generally don't argue about 1st year players. it seems pointless when they haven't had time to learn and develop.

[Legacy User]

I don't think there was anyone who wasn't surprised by the Archer pick.

Archer didn't break into Radio City Music Hall and write his own name on the Steelers' draft card, so it's pretty stupid to bash him for being drafted too high.

He's here now. Get over it and root for the kid to succeed.

[K_C_]

I don't think there was anyone who wasn't surprised by the Archer pick.

Archer didn't break into Radio City Music Hall and write his own name on the Steelers' draft card, so it's pretty stupid to bash him for being drafted too high.

He's here now. Get over it and root for the kid to succeed.

Who in the fuck doesn't want the kid to succeed?

So far, he's shown dick and people have sorta noticed that and, because this is a fucking message board, they've made their feelings known.

[Legacy User]

So far, he's shown dick and people have sorta noticed that and, because this is a fucking message board, they've made their feelings known.

of all people who you'd think would be remain patient with talentless nobodies I think it would be you