The D needs Herbig, Sutton, and Trice back

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The D needs Herbig, Sutton, and Trice back

Post by franco32 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am

OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.



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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am

franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am
OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.
I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
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Post by jmacinwbp » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:33 am

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am
OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.
I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Did you watch any tape of Sutton against the run when he was with the Steelers? His run support provided some of his best plays for the D during his first run with the Steelers. Is there something you saw in his tackling with the Lions that makes you think he forgot how to tackle or play the run as a slot CB? I think he's going to add a lot to the slot, and D in general. BB and Sutton will make a strong 1-2 at the slot for this team.

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Post by Works At A Bank » Tue Oct 29, 2024 9:41 am

Will Trice ever be healthy enough to contribute consistently? Queen needs to stop being a pussy.

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Post by Steeldrama » Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:42 am

The D needs Cowher, Capers and LeBeau back
Some more creative blitz packages would be nice.

At least Watt and Highsmith flopped sides leading to a Highsmith sack but other than that I saw a pretty vanilla game plan.
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Post by franco32 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:56 am

Steeldrama wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:42 am
The D needs Cowher, Capers and LeBeau back
Some more creative blitz packages would be nice.

At least Watt and Highsmith flopped sides leading to a Highsmith sack but other than that I saw a pretty vanilla game plan.
Now this is a very fair point. I think I mentioned it in the game thread. The blitzes are really predictable. Guys crowd the line...straight rushes. No overloads. Not many stunts. Not many delayed inside rushes.

As simple as our D is at times, there still is a LOT of confusion. I counted 3 times at least where the D was confused on the call. I'm not sure if that is T. Austin getting the call in late or Queen not relaying it well.

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Post by Deebo » Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:57 am

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am
OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.
I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Until further notice, this will be the defense's downfall: they cannot stop the run

They've got great pass rushers all over the front 7, but they can't shed blockers to stop the run. It's gonna be a big problem later in the year

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Post by franco32 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:59 am

Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:57 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am
OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.
I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Until further notice, this will be the defense's downfall: they cannot stop the run

They've got great pass rushers all over the front 7, but they can't shed blockers to stop the run. It's gonna be a big problem later in the year
Last night that sure was true. I will be curious to see how often we played though with 2 DLs. Austin loves that and I'm sure that invited the run at times.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:15 pm

franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:59 am
Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:57 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am


I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Until further notice, this will be the defense's downfall: they cannot stop the run

They've got great pass rushers all over the front 7, but they can't shed blockers to stop the run. It's gonna be a big problem later in the year
Last night that sure was true. I will be curious to see how often we played though with 2 DLs. Austin loves that and I'm sure that invited the run at times.
IMO it doesn’t matter

2 DL 0 DL still have to stop the run.

Roberts can play but he’s older and needs good depth around him. He’s not horrible in the pass game either. IMO he should be getting starter snaps

Queen and Wilson are both often horrible vs the run and not elite in the pass game either
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Post by jebrick » Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:24 pm

P. Wilson is not a banger but more like Shazier who will flow in the gap to make the play. I think he becomes more of a TFL machine.

I think they are asking too much from 2 DL. One even being Heyward. They got chewed up by wide zone runs tonight. I still do not think they will get a true NT like many of their fans want but perhaps they should. Go more to the NE hybrid defense with the IDL playing 2 gap and the outside playing 1 gap.
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Post by VeritasSteel » Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:30 pm

Holcomb coming back is key. I just see Queen and Wilson overrunning those stretch plays way too often. And while that 45 yarder had a hold on the end both backers were getting caught up in the wash too often.

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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:31 pm

jmacinwbp wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:33 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am
OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.
I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Did you watch any tape of Sutton against the run when he was with the Steelers? His run support provided some of his best plays for the D during his first run with the Steelers. Is there something you saw in his tackling with the Lions that makes you think he forgot how to tackle or play the run as a slot CB? I think he's going to add a lot to the slot, and D in general. BB and Sutton will make a strong 1-2 at the slot for this team.
But is it too late to jump on a moving train?
Will he need 2 or 3 weeks to run along side the train?
Hope for the gates to come down at an intersection, to hop on?

Cams last year in Pitt, 2022, he led the team in pass defended with 15 and had 3 picks.

I do not think the Doncs will take a WR away from Nix,
But how bout we bring back ( 2 ) Suttons after the bye?

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Post by alancac98 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:28 pm

Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:57 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am
OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.
I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Until further notice, this will be the defense's downfall: they cannot stop the run

They've got great pass rushers all over the front 7, but they can't shed blockers to stop the run. It's gonna be a big problem later in the year
I think the Giants did a great job recognizing 2 down lineman means run and 3 down lineman means pass.

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Post by Deebo » Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:47 pm

alancac98 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:28 pm
Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:57 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am


I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Until further notice, this will be the defense's downfall: they cannot stop the run

They've got great pass rushers all over the front 7, but they can't shed blockers to stop the run. It's gonna be a big problem later in the year
I think the Giants did a great job recognizing 2 down lineman means run and 3 down lineman means pass.
And other teams will copy this. The ILB's and DLine need to be better, period.

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Post by anpsteel » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:03 pm

alancac98 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:28 pm
Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:57 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am


I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Until further notice, this will be the defense's downfall: they cannot stop the run

They've got great pass rushers all over the front 7, but they can't shed blockers to stop the run. It's gonna be a big problem later in the year
I think the Giants did a great job recognizing 2 down lineman means run and 3 down lineman means pass.
absolutely

The number one way to beat this defense, is to line up in spread offense, and run the ball. It's been that way for two plus decades.

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Post by Orangesteel » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:27 pm

VeritasSteel wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 12:30 pm
Holcomb coming back is key. I just see Queen and Wilson overrunning those stretch plays way too often. And while that 45 yarder had a hold on the end both backers were getting caught up in the wash too often.
Where are you seeing that Holcomb is coming back. Do you mean next season?
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Post by Stosh-67 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:55 pm

Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:47 pm
alancac98 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:28 pm
Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:57 am


Until further notice, this will be the defense's downfall: they cannot stop the run

They've got great pass rushers all over the front 7, but they can't shed blockers to stop the run. It's gonna be a big problem later in the year
I think the Giants did a great job recognizing 2 down lineman means run and 3 down lineman means pass.
And other teams will copy this. The ILB's and DLine need to be better, period.
i thought last year, they ran too many sets with only 2 defensive linemen, and teams took advantage of that.
Too few biggs on the field = run.
And eventually punishment to the DB's

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Post by Deebo » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:50 pm

Stosh-67 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:55 pm
Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:47 pm
alancac98 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:28 pm


I think the Giants did a great job recognizing 2 down lineman means run and 3 down lineman means pass.
And other teams will copy this. The ILB's and DLine need to be better, period.
i thought last year, they ran too many sets with only 2 defensive linemen, and teams took advantage of that.
Too few biggs on the field = run.
And eventually punishment to the DB's
Precisely. And that's why/how Minkah leads this team in tackles year over year.
People wonder: where are the splash plays from Fitz? The INT's, pass breakups, etc.?

He's playing babysitter in the run game bc Queen sucks cock and Wilson is too light in the pants to defend the run. Same issues at ILB as last year...

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Post by R_S » Tue Oct 29, 2024 5:12 pm

Elandon Roberts needs to be in the game more, especially on 1st and 2nd down. He is a downhill run stopper. Thumper if you will. Vince Williams likke.

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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:21 pm

R_S wrote:
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Elandon Roberts needs to be in the game more, especially on 1st and 2nd down. He is a downhill run stopper. Thumper if you will. Vince Williams likke.
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Post by K_C_ » Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:57 pm

SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am
OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.
I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
You can keep riding the horseshit about needing help at ILB, but you're going to be seeing Patrick Queen and Payton Wilson for years to come starting inside.

Hopefully Elandon Roberts sticks around too. He just fucks people up.

You will see absolutely no changes at inside linebacker.
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Post by SteelerDayTrader » Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:01 am

K_C_ wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:57 pm
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am
franco32 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 am
OLBs were gassed and need more rotation. While Beanie has played well, Sutton gives us another really quality player who can even play some safety and we don't need to be trotting shit like Edmunds out there.

Obviously, I'm still sickened by the tackling and some of the run fits, but I think the D can improve with those additions.
I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
You can keep riding the horseshit about needing help at ILB, but you're going to be seeing Patrick Queen and Payton Wilson for years to come starting inside.

Hopefully Elandon Roberts sticks around too. He just fucks people up.

You will see absolutely no changes at inside linebacker.
Annnndddd……..the Steelers will keep being bested when it counts

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Post by 955876 » Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:19 am

We need dline help before we need ILB help.

ILBs look good when the dline does their job.

Can is old, and everyone besides Benton is a jag.

Even Benton isn’t a bonafide at this point.

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Post by K_C_ » Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:58 am

955876 wrote:
Wed Oct 30, 2024 12:19 am
We need dline help before we need ILB help.

ILBs look good when the dline does their job.

Can is old, and everyone besides Benton is a jag.

Even Benton isn’t a bonafide at this point.
Yep. We are set at ILB.

We will be drafting a d-lineman with one of our first 2 picks (possibly our first pick, if that guy isn’t a WR.)
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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:36 am

alancac98 wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:28 pm
Deebo wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 11:57 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:56 am


I have ZERO confidence in any of those 3 being even remotely consistent players vs teams who can run the ball. Zero

The Steelers need premium help at DL and ILB
Until further notice, this will be the defense's downfall: they cannot stop the run

They've got great pass rushers all over the front 7, but they can't shed blockers to stop the run. It's gonna be a big problem later in the year
I think the Giants did a great job recognizing 2 down lineman means run and 3 down lineman means pass.
This. I think we have the ability to stop the run these days, I just think we go stretches where they have the wrong packages called even sometimes knowingly.

I think we can focus more on run stopping packages and the backend will be fine versus boosting the backend for passing situations to the detriment of run stopping. Our secondary should be a strength and leveraged.

Also watching SexyDexy reminded me of how awesome it was to have Big Snack Casey Hampton. Lawrence was a one man wrecking crew against us. We could use a good nose tackle again to help shatter the running lanes!

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