https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/george- ... tdown.html“I feel like every once and a while there is a catch that makes everybody in the world to reevaluate what a catch is,” replied Jason Kelce. “The Dez Bryant playoff one. This George Pickens one is it. If you get one foot down and a hand… One foot down and an elbow… But if you get the same foot down twice. I don’t know, I think everybody would say looking at that, that it looks like a catch. It might not be technically. By this logic, you could catch the ball and hop on one leg for 15 steps and it’s not a catch?”
Jason Kelce: it's a catch because he got the same foot down twice.
Jason Kelce: it's a catch because he got the same foot down twice.
I don't know if that's the dumbest take of all time, but it's got to be. In addition to all the non-steroid-related weight loss did he also lose parts of his already diminished due to living in Philadelphia brain?
"So, we have to proceed with caution, but when you’re pursuing greatness, risk-taking is a part of it. Calculated risk-taking. That’s what you’re talking about when you’re drawing up big plays schematically.”
Like I said in game day thread.........langer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:18 amI don't know if that's the dumbest take of all time, but it's got to be. In addition to all the non-steroid-related weight loss did he also lose parts of his already diminished due to living in Philadelphia brain?
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/george- ... tdown.html“I feel like every once and a while there is a catch that makes everybody in the world to reevaluate what a catch is,” replied Jason Kelce. “The Dez Bryant playoff one. This George Pickens one is it. If you get one foot down and a hand… One foot down and an elbow… But if you get the same foot down twice. I don’t know, I think everybody would say looking at that, that it looks like a catch. It might not be technically. By this logic, you could catch the ball and hop on one leg for 15 steps and it’s not a catch?”
suppose a WR caught the ball on one side of the endzone, and then hopped on one foot across the entire endzone while evading defenders....
I will add to that....
all the defenders fall down from exhaustion......
the WR stops and stands like a pelican for another 30 seconds.
This will create a rule change.
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Smart defenders can grab a WR under the knee like a wrestling takedown near the sideline and hop him out of bounds for a no catch. One foot twice should count as a catch, I always thought it did count.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-rulebook/
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:
secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
"So, we have to proceed with caution, but when you’re pursuing greatness, risk-taking is a part of it. Calculated risk-taking. That’s what you’re talking about when you’re drawing up big plays schematically.”
Yeah the language is dumb. A player with a tongue or other appendage growing out of the side of his foot would have a massive advantage and a one legged receiver could never complete a reception by that text.langer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:58 pmhttps://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-rulebook/
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:
secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
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I thought that a hand counted as a foot as far as that goes. By that wording, touching the ground with a hand and a foot, or with 2 hands, doesn't make it a catch.
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Well, technically a one-legged receiver could touch with his hand or any other body part. So you can't say they could never complete a reception. They most certainly could.Mick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:24 pmYeah the language is dumb. A player with a tongue or other appendage growing out of the side of his foot would have a massive advantage and a one legged receiver could never complete a reception by that text.langer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:58 pmhttps://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-rulebook/
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:
secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
But I also don't envision a one legged receiver ever playing in the NFL, so that's really not a good argument.
I understand the argument that two touches of the same foot should still be a catch.
However, I worry it opens up some gray area. For instance, if a guy is dragging that one foot, what if his foot isn't intentionally lifted for the second touch, but instead has sort of a "bouncing" motion that causes the second touch. And I'm not talking about a significant bounce, I'm talking about a tiny one where it's hard to really tell if the foot actually left the surface or not.
I think we're already spending too much time overanalyzing catches with a microscope and micrometer. I'd prefer not to add another case where that's required.
discriminationMick wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 2:24 pmYeah the language is dumb. A player with a tongue or other appendage growing out of the side of his foot would have a massive advantage and a one legged receiver could never complete a reception by that text.langer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:58 pmhttps://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-rulebook/
ARTICLE 3. COMPLETED OR INTERCEPTED PASS
A player who makes a catch may advance the ball. A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) in the field of play, at the sideline, or in the end zone if a player, who is inbounds:
secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and
touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and
after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, performs any act common to the game (e.g., tuck the ball away, extend it forward, take an additional step, turn upfield, or avoid or ward off an opponent), or he maintains control of the ball long enough to do so.
good point.However, I worry it opens up some gray area. For instance, if a guy is dragging that one foot, what if his foot isn't intentionally lifted for the second touch, but instead has sort of a "bouncing" motion that causes the second touch. And I'm not talking about a significant bounce, I'm talking about a tiny one where it's hard to really tell if the foot actually left the surface or not.
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What would have happened if he got two hops on right foot, then fell backwards out of bounds like last night but only his left heel hit. I am pretty sure two hops on a right foot and a left heel would not be a catch. Anyone confirm this scenario? Remember a heel drag is not a toe tap!Stosh-67 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:24 pmLike I said in game day thread.........langer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:18 amI don't know if that's the dumbest take of all time, but it's got to be. In addition to all the non-steroid-related weight loss did he also lose parts of his already diminished due to living in Philadelphia brain?
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/george- ... tdown.html“I feel like every once and a while there is a catch that makes everybody in the world to reevaluate what a catch is,” replied Jason Kelce. “The Dez Bryant playoff one. This George Pickens one is it. If you get one foot down and a hand… One foot down and an elbow… But if you get the same foot down twice. I don’t know, I think everybody would say looking at that, that it looks like a catch. It might not be technically. By this logic, you could catch the ball and hop on one leg for 15 steps and it’s not a catch?”
suppose a WR caught the ball on one side of the endzone, and then hopped on one foot across the entire endzone while evading defenders....
I will add to that....
all the defenders fall down from exhaustion......
the WR stops and stands like a pelican for another 30 seconds.
This will create a rule change.
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The rule also discriminates against female receivers.Stosh-67 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 pmdiscrimination
“ But Brian was the quarterback. He lay on the ground like a sniper had shot him, so they threw me out. It’s big entertainment now, protect the quarterback, $200 to your favorite charity.”
How is a toe better than a heel.LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:18 pmWhat would have happened if he got two hops on right foot, then fell backwards out of bounds like last night but only his left heel hit. I am pretty sure two hops on a right foot and a left heel would not be a catch. Anyone confirm this scenario? Remember a heel drag is not a toe tap!Stosh-67 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:24 pmLike I said in game day thread.........langer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 10:18 amI don't know if that's the dumbest take of all time, but it's got to be. In addition to all the non-steroid-related weight loss did he also lose parts of his already diminished due to living in Philadelphia brain?
https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/george- ... tdown.html
suppose a WR caught the ball on one side of the endzone, and then hopped on one foot across the entire endzone while evading defenders....
I will add to that....
all the defenders fall down from exhaustion......
the WR stops and stands like a pelican for another 30 seconds.
This will create a rule change.
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I think the whole "what if a player just hops along the end zone on one foot" thing would eventually still make it a catch because at some point his hopping would be considered a football move
Getting the same foot down twice is more difficult than getting two feet down.
That should be a catch.
That should be a catch.
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Conflating the rules in my head.Stosh-67 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:40 pmHow is a toe better than a heel.LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:18 pmWhat would have happened if he got two hops on right foot, then fell backwards out of bounds like last night but only his left heel hit. I am pretty sure two hops on a right foot and a left heel would not be a catch. Anyone confirm this scenario? Remember a heel drag is not a toe tap!Stosh-67 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 1:24 pm
Like I said in game day thread.........
suppose a WR caught the ball on one side of the endzone, and then hopped on one foot across the entire endzone while evading defenders....
I will add to that....
all the defenders fall down from exhaustion......
the WR stops and stands like a pelican for another 30 seconds.
This will create a rule change.
The rule where if the foot comes down but doesn't drag and then the next part of the foot lands out of bounce. @bradshaw2ben is an expert on the heel rule. I thought you couldn't do a heel drag...Steelers were just called on this a couple games ago...it has to be a toe tap, or it is if you land on your toes and then you heel goes out of bounds then it is not a catch.....the foot actually has to drag.
Per AI" No, in the NFL, a heel drag does not count as a toe tap; according to the rules, a player must have at least their toe inbounds to be considered "in bounds," meaning if only the heel touches the ground while the rest of the foot is out of bounds, it is not considered a valid play"
Imagine the 2 hops couple with this scenario is ultimately what I am getting at!
Well, If I were a DB coach, I teach all my CBs to never go up and contest a fade pattern to the corner of the end zone. I teach them to stay on the ground, catch the receiver midair, walk him out of bounds, and gently put him down with a big smile on my face. The fade pattern is now completely useless in the NFL! Actually, he only has to grab one leg and push the receiver out of bounds not allowing the other foot to come down. That would go for any in the air contest catches along the sidelines as well! It's going to be a whole new era! Let them catch it and take them out of bounds by one leg!
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I heard that the Steelers are bringing in Oscar Pastorius for a WR so we need to know the answer.
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If you're well-endowed and the middle leg touches the ground before you're pushed out, the TD should be worth 12 instead of 6.
Just sayin.
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