Broderick "Jarvis" Jones

[TimmayLake]

Two first round players from UGA...supposed college football studs...both looking like major busts.

Is there hope for Broderick? Jarvis at least flashed during preseason.

[franco32]

Interestingly, they both suck for different reasons. Jarvis was not an athlete and had no burst but was a hard worker. Broderick is blessed with athleticism but doesn't seem to work or care to much. Either way, we look to have swung and badly missed on this other UGA pick.

[K_C_]

They might have to franchise Dan Moore.

[franco32]

They might have to franchise Dan Moore.

Zero doubt in my mind they pay Moore. Jones is a dumpster fire and Fautanu needs to show health. They are keeping Dan...and frankly he probably deserves a decent paycheck given his hard work.

[Ice]

Interestingly, they both suck for different reasons. Jarvis was not an athlete and had no burst but was a hard worker. Broderick is blessed with athleticism but doesn't seem to work or care to much. Either way, we look to have swung and badly missed on this other UGA pick.

So simply saw open their heads, scoop Jarvis' brain into Broderick's melon and vice-versa and stitch em up. Maybe a lightning bolt or two on a stormy night for effect.

[SteelerDayTrader]

They might have to franchise Dan Moore.

I hope they C2 him.

- He’s playing ok and will be cheap comparatively
- They have been HORRIBLE drafting/developing OL for several years running now. No reason to think that’s gonna stop all of a sudden.
- Although Jones has been bad he’s still real young. Maybe he will pull it together in time on the right side

[Steelperch]

They might have to franchise Dan Moore.

Zero doubt in my mind they pay Moore. Jones is a dumpster fire and Fautanu needs to show health. They are keeping Dan...and frankly he probably deserves a decent paycheck given his hard work.

Money is an issue. They’ve got no QB, RB , #2 CB or #2 WR under contract beyond this season.

[K_C_]

They might have to franchise Dan Moore.

Zero doubt in my mind they pay Moore. Jones is a dumpster fire and Fautanu needs to show health. They are keeping Dan...and frankly he probably deserves a decent paycheck given his hard work.

Money is an issue. They’ve got no QB, RB , #2 CB or #2 WR under contract beyond this season.

As I responded to B2B, Russ is going nowhere if he keeps playing at his current level. He isn't playing for a big contract. Russ is playing for his legacy. He's getting a boatload of money from the Broncos not to play for them and he's already a very rich man (and so is his wife.) Russ will sign a 2 or 3 year deal to stay in Pittsburgh. No way he leaves. Tomlin and Russ are in love. Fields may head elsewhere so they could look to develop a QB behind Russ.

At RB, those guys don't make huge money anymore and much like Russ, I don't think Najee is dying to get out the door even with the Steelers declining his option. I think he'll be back at a good deal. Nothing ridiculous but very solid money.

#2 WR will likely be drafted very, very early in April. Possibly a first rounder. Paying Pickens could get tricky. He's going to cost a boatload.

Donte Jackson will stick around. Solid veteran player who won't command big money. If he does try to get paid huge, they'll let Jackson walk and take a CB early.

Moore and Pickens are my only concerns.

[bradshaw2ben]

Zero doubt in my mind they pay Moore. Jones is a dumpster fire and Fautanu needs to show health. They are keeping Dan...and frankly he probably deserves a decent paycheck given his hard work.

Money is an issue. They’ve got no QB, RB , #2 CB or #2 WR under contract beyond this season.

As I responded to B2B, Russ is going nowhere if he keeps playing at his current level. He isn't playing for a big contract. Russ is playing for his legacy. He's getting a boatload of money from the Broncos not to play for them and he's already a very rich man (and so is his wife.) Russ will sign a 2 or 3 year deal to stay in Pittsburgh. No way he leaves. Tomlin and Russ are in love. Fields may head elsewhere so they could look to develop a QB behind Russ.

At RB, those guys don't make huge money anymore and much like Russ, I don't think Najee is dying to get out the door even with the Steelers declining his option. I think he'll be back at a good deal. Nothing ridiculous but very solid money.

#2 WR will likely be drafted very, very early in April. Possibly a first rounder. Paying Pickens could get tricky. He's going to cost a boatload.

Donte Jackson will stick around. Solid veteran player who won't command big money. If he does try to get paid huge, they'll let Jackson walk and take a CB early.

Moore and Pickens are my only concerns.

Russ playing for his legacy and giving a hometown deal is still gonna be $150/3 with a out in year 3.

[Orangesteel]

$150/3yr is fine. Do it.

[K_C_]

Money is an issue. They’ve got no QB, RB , #2 CB or #2 WR under contract beyond this season.

As I responded to B2B, Russ is going nowhere if he keeps playing at his current level. He isn't playing for a big contract. Russ is playing for his legacy. He's getting a boatload of money from the Broncos not to play for them and he's already a very rich man (and so is his wife.) Russ will sign a 2 or 3 year deal to stay in Pittsburgh. No way he leaves. Tomlin and Russ are in love. Fields may head elsewhere so they could look to develop a QB behind Russ.

At RB, those guys don't make huge money anymore and much like Russ, I don't think Najee is dying to get out the door even with the Steelers declining his option. I think he'll be back at a good deal. Nothing ridiculous but very solid money.

#2 WR will likely be drafted very, very early in April. Possibly a first rounder. Paying Pickens could get tricky. He's going to cost a boatload.

Donte Jackson will stick around. Solid veteran player who won't command big money. If he does try to get paid huge, they'll let Jackson walk and take a CB early.

Moore and Pickens are my only concerns.

Russ playing for his legacy and giving a hometown deal is still gonna be $150/3 with a out in year 3.

Okay, I’m going to need some help sorting this out.

Isn’t Denver paying Wilson for a few more years to come? Like gigantic money or is he off their books?

$50 million per year for 3 years for a guy that will be 37 when this contract begins? All from the Steelers? How much guaranteed money? You cannot be meaning that entire contract will be guaranteed. That seems very steep for a dude that was just paid a massive amount of money by Denver not to be their QB.

Pickens will soon get around 30 million per.

Perch believes we’ll re-sign Dan Moore (I don’t, but franchising him for a year while Fautanu and Jones figure it out seems like a good idea.)

They will try to keep Najee.

This is going to get interesting financially.

[SteelPro]

As I responded to B2B, Russ is going nowhere if he keeps playing at his current level. He isn't playing for a big contract. Russ is playing for his legacy. He's getting a boatload of money from the Broncos not to play for them and he's already a very rich man (and so is his wife.) Russ will sign a 2 or 3 year deal to stay in Pittsburgh. No way he leaves. Tomlin and Russ are in love. Fields may head elsewhere so they could look to develop a QB behind Russ.

At RB, those guys don't make huge money anymore and much like Russ, I don't think Najee is dying to get out the door even with the Steelers declining his option. I think he'll be back at a good deal. Nothing ridiculous but very solid money.

#2 WR will likely be drafted very, very early in April. Possibly a first rounder. Paying Pickens could get tricky. He's going to cost a boatload.

Donte Jackson will stick around. Solid veteran player who won't command big money. If he does try to get paid huge, they'll let Jackson walk and take a CB early.

Moore and Pickens are my only concerns.

Russ playing for his legacy and giving a hometown deal is still gonna be $150/3 with a out in year 3.

Okay, I’m going to need some help sorting this out.

Isn’t Denver paying Wilson for a few more years to come? Like gigantic money or is he off their books?

$50 million per year for 3 years for a guy that will be 37 when this contract begins? All from the Steelers? How much guaranteed money? You cannot be meaning that entire contract will be guaranteed. That seems very steep for a dude that was just paid a massive amount of money by Denver not to be their QB.

Pickens will soon get around 30 million per.

Perch believes we’ll re-sign Dan Moore (I don’t, but franchising him for a year while Fautanu and Jones figure it out seems like a good idea.)

They will try to keep Najee.

This is going to get interesting financially.

I’m pretty sure Denver is free of him after this year. Russ keeps playing well he’ll get a big payday. I agree he may give a discount to stay and work on his legacy here. But it will still take big money. $150M/3 seems too much. But $120M/3 seems possible.

[LakecrestSteeler]

They might have to franchise Dan Moore.

I hope they C2 him.

- He’s playing ok and will be cheap comparatively
- They have been HORRIBLE drafting/developing OL for several years running now. No reason to think that’s gonna stop all of a sudden.
- Although Jones has been bad he’s still real young. Maybe he will pull it together in time on the right side

I think Jones works out. I don’t watch him every play. But when I do he always seems to be doing his job adequately.

His facemask call was boneheaded, but it was also a function of bad luck. He had his guy in control and seemed to feel Russ at his backside but the damn shoulder pads slipped. Reminded me of what good CBs do with the top of the shoulder pads on receivers. He was sort of doing that with Edge/tackle. He didn’t get Russ killed and seemed to sense Russ’ rollout. Not bad traits

BTW…Russ’ straight line speed is fine, but he does look really slow with his lateral open field running. Might be Fields’s effect. Not worried about pocket movement, but he seems really vulnerable to injury if he tries cut backs.

[W&M_Steeler]

They might have to franchise Dan Moore.

I hope they C2 him.

- He’s playing ok and will be cheap comparatively
- They have been HORRIBLE drafting/developing OL for several years running now. No reason to think that’s gonna stop all of a sudden.
- Although Jones has been bad he’s still real young. Maybe he will pull it together in time on the right side

I think Jones works out. I don’t watch him every play. But when I do he always seems to be doing his job adequately.

His facemask call was boneheaded, but it was also a function of bad luck. He had his guy in control and seemed to feel Russ at his backside but the damn shoulder pads slipped. Reminded me of what good CBs do with the top of the shoulder pads on receivers. He was sort of doing that with Edge/tackle. He didn’t get Russ killed and seemed to sense Russ’ rollout. Not bad traits

BTW…Russ’ straight line speed is fine, but he does look really slow with his lateral open field running. Might be Fields’s effect. Not worried about pocket movement, but he seems really vulnerable to injury if he tries cut backs.

Jones needs to get lower. He stands up on every play and never has leverage. Defenders can get under him and around him no problem. Most of his successful blocks amount to him simply getting in the defenders' way. Maybe it's a function of the line scheme, but I have never seen Jones drive anyone off the ball.

Russ reminds me of Ben circa 2017/2018- he still has the brain and the arm, but you can tell that the athleticism is starting to go. He might have another two years in him before he's lost too much athleticism to be viable.

[Stosh-67]

As I responded to B2B, Russ is going nowhere if he keeps playing at his current level. He isn't playing for a big contract. Russ is playing for his legacy. He's getting a boatload of money from the Broncos not to play for them and he's already a very rich man (and so is his wife.) Russ will sign a 2 or 3 year deal to stay in Pittsburgh. No way he leaves. Tomlin and Russ are in love. Fields may head elsewhere so they could look to develop a QB behind Russ.

At RB, those guys don't make huge money anymore and much like Russ, I don't think Najee is dying to get out the door even with the Steelers declining his option. I think he'll be back at a good deal. Nothing ridiculous but very solid money.

#2 WR will likely be drafted very, very early in April. Possibly a first rounder. Paying Pickens could get tricky. He's going to cost a boatload.

Donte Jackson will stick around. Solid veteran player who won't command big money. If he does try to get paid huge, they'll let Jackson walk and take a CB early.

Moore and Pickens are my only concerns.

Russ playing for his legacy and giving a hometown deal is still gonna be $150/3 with a out in year 3.

Okay, I’m going to need some help sorting this out.

Isn’t Denver paying Wilson for a few more years to come? Like gigantic money or is he off their books?

$50 million per year for 3 years for a guy that will be 37 when this contract begins? All from the Steelers? How much guaranteed money? You cannot be meaning that entire contract will be guaranteed. That seems very steep for a dude that was just paid a massive amount of money by Denver not to be their QB.

Pickens will soon get around 30 million per.

Perch believes we’ll re-sign Dan Moore (I don’t, but franchising him for a year while Fautanu and Jones figure it out seems like a good idea.)

They will try to keep Najee.

This is going to get interesting financially.

I can not see Russ getting big money from his 4th NFL team.....if he moves on from the Steelers.
Unless its a team that has everything set up for him to be successful.....
good run game, good defense, weapons to throw to.

Dolphins, if Tua gets KO'd again?
Jets if AA goes koo-koo?
Or a major team losing their FQ

[Stosh-67]

I hope they C2 him.

- He’s playing ok and will be cheap comparatively
- They have been HORRIBLE drafting/developing OL for several years running now. No reason to think that’s gonna stop all of a sudden.
- Although Jones has been bad he’s still real young. Maybe he will pull it together in time on the right side

I think Jones works out. I don’t watch him every play. But when I do he always seems to be doing his job adequately.

His facemask call was boneheaded, but it was also a function of bad luck. He had his guy in control and seemed to feel Russ at his backside but the damn shoulder pads slipped. Reminded me of what good CBs do with the top of the shoulder pads on receivers. He was sort of doing that with Edge/tackle. He didn’t get Russ killed and seemed to sense Russ’ rollout. Not bad traits

BTW…Russ’ straight line speed is fine, but he does look really slow with his lateral open field running. Might be Fields’s effect. Not worried about pocket movement, but he seems really vulnerable to injury if he tries cut backs.

Jones needs to get lower. He stands up on every play and never has leverage. Defenders can get under him and around him no problem. Most of his successful blocks amount to him simply getting in the defenders' way. Maybe it's a function of the line scheme, but I have never seen Jones drive anyone off the ball.

Russ reminds me of Ben circa 2017/2018- he still has the brain and the arm, but you can tell that the athleticism is starting to go. He might have another two years in him before he's lost too much athleticism to be viable.

Yup.
3 basics in order
Stay low.
first blow.
move your feet.
Another thing that many mentioned here last year, and its noticeable.....he lowers his head when he gives his first blow...
then his feet are still heading where his head was heading.
Like a head shot.......needs to be better with his hands and punch

[bradshaw2ben]

Russ playing for his legacy and giving a hometown deal is still gonna be $150/3 with a out in year 3.

Okay, I’m going to need some help sorting this out.

Isn’t Denver paying Wilson for a few more years to come? Like gigantic money or is he off their books?

$50 million per year for 3 years for a guy that will be 37 when this contract begins? All from the Steelers? How much guaranteed money? You cannot be meaning that entire contract will be guaranteed. That seems very steep for a dude that was just paid a massive amount of money by Denver not to be their QB.

Pickens will soon get around 30 million per.

Perch believes we’ll re-sign Dan Moore (I don’t, but franchising him for a year while Fautanu and Jones figure it out seems like a good idea.)

They will try to keep Najee.

This is going to get interesting financially.

I’m pretty sure Denver is free of him after this year. Russ keeps playing well he’ll get a big payday. I agree he may give a discount to stay and work on his legacy here. But it will still take big money. $150M/3 seems too much. But $120M/3 seems possible.

Think of it as a 2-year deal for $45+ per and a balloon year in year 3. IF and it’s a big if Russ and the Steelers continue this success vs their second half schedule, then he’s getting at least $40+. That’s minimum vet starting money in the NFL, even if you give a discount.

[Pabst]

Dolphins, if Tua gets KO'd again?
Jets if AA goes koo-koo?

The Phins are already in Cap hell and couldn't sign Russ without gutting their roster.

NYJ incurs a major cap penalty if they move Rodgers. They're not in terrible shape cap wise, but they do have a ton of Free Agents that need signed.


But.....just for shits and giggles, here's a breakdown of what's out there as far as where Russ might sign.

Franchise QB already under contract, not worth discussing:
KC, Baltimore, Cincinnati, Detroit, LA Chargers, Jacksonville, Green Bay, LA Rams, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, NY Jets, Dallas, Buffalo, Atlanta, Miami

Have a Young/Rookie QB showing a ton of promise, not worth discussing:
Chicago, Washington, San Francisco, Houston

In the 7th layer of Cap Hell, can't afford to sign him:
New Orleans, Cleveland

Won't happen:
Denver


That leaves us with 10 teams that could realistically make a run at Russ next season. Let's group those....

Teams with young QB's that haven't shown jack squat:
- New England
- Tennessee
- Minnesota
- Indianapolis
- Carolina

Teams that can get out of their current QB contracts:
- Arizona
- NY Giants
- Seattle

Teams with absolutely nothing at QB:
- Las Vegas
- Pittsburgh

[Pabst]

All of that to say, if Russ doesn't want to go to a team that is rebuilding (or outright sucks) his options are extremely limited.

Minnesota will come down to what happens with Darnold.
I highly doubt Arizona would swap out Murray.
Seattle is interesting, but they'd need to cut Geno first.
Indy is interesting as well.

After that....not much else.

[OhioSteeler]

All of that to say, if Russ doesn't want to go to a team that is rebuilding (or outright sucks) his options are extremely limited.

Minnesota will come down to what happens with Darnold.
I highly doubt Arizona would swap out Murray.
Seattle is interesting, but they'd need to cut Geno first.
Indy is interesting as well.

After that....not much else.

Also, don't forget that they drafted JJ McCarthy this year too.

[Pabst]

Also, don't forget that they drafted JJ McCarthy this year too.

Absolutely, but I think it's a matter of whether/not Darnold continues to perform. If he keeps playing well, they may have to tag him. If not, they're going to have to throw money at a vet.

There's no way they can go into next year, with the weapons they have, with only JJ McCarthy. That's like handing the keys to a Ferrari to a 16 year old.

[K_C_]

I'm telling you, Russ doesn't care about money at this point of his career.

He has all the money he'll ever need, especially from the Denver contract (and his wife is loaded too.)

Russ is playing for a run at Canton. Some believe he's in. I do not. Pete Carroll fucked Russ huge by not giving the ball to Marshawn at the 1.

If Russ hands that ball to Marshawn, 2 Super Bowl wins makes Russ a shoe-in. Is he with 1 win and 1 loss? Not in my book he isn't.

I'm not even saying Russ needs to win a Super Bowl in Pittsburgh, but he needs to do something special and with that team breakdown Pabst did, Russ ain't leaving Pittsburgh and his man crush, Coach Cool Shades, FOR ANYTHING. Not even a little more money.

Absolutely no chance.

[955876]

I'm telling you, Russ doesn't care about money at this point of his career.

Almost always bout the Benjamins with these guys.

Unless you had dinner with Russ and he told you this personally that isn’t something you can state as a truth.

It could be true. But don’t state something like that as fact when 99.9% of the time it’s a business and the $$ matter a whole lot.

He’s won his Super Bowl.

[LakecrestSteeler]

I'm telling you, Russ doesn't care about money at this point of his career.

Almost always bout the Benjamins with these guys.

Unless you had dinner with Russ and he told you this personally that isn’t something you can state as a truth.

It could be true. But don’t state something like that as fact when 99.9% of the time it’s a business and the $$ matter a whole lot.

He’s won his Super Bowl.

And don't forget the burn rate! If your starter home is $250K, and you land your big NFL contract, very few stay humble and say the $250K 2000 square footer is alright in the beaten-up old section of town.

Rinse and repeat with everything:
wardrobe,
insurance
cable
house
garage
autos
man toys
properties
food
entertainment
travel

Everything goes up to a higher burn rate for the individual and couple. Throw in mom and pops, and the next thing you know your burn rate is not that far below your earn rate!

[K_C_]

I'm telling you, Russ doesn't care about money at this point of his career.

Almost always bout the Benjamins with these guys.

Unless you had dinner with Russ and he told you this personally that isn’t something you can state as a truth.

It could be true. But don’t state something like that as fact when 99.9% of the time it’s a business and the $$ matter a whole lot.

He’s won his Super Bowl.

I mean.....it's pretty easy to do the math and I don't know Russell Wilson personally.

Russell Wilson's net worth is $165 million.

His wife Ciara is worth $20 million.

Russ is nearing the end of his career and he knows it. Dude ain't getting another Denver type deal and that ended up a disaster for both the Broncos and for Russell Wilson's image.

Russ got paid....but it made him look bad. His image took a huge hit and he was already a possible Hall of Famer. Far from guaranteed he's in.

So now he hooks up with a Steelers organization where Russ has a beloved head coach who loves Russ back (we can hate Tomlin all we want. He's loved by most of the NFL and the football watching public in general), has a great defense, a young developing offensive line, superstar level WR, very good NFL running back and enough other solid pieces to make a deep playoff run.

Russ isn't leaving this situation (if you want to make a wager, I'm all the fuck in. Let me know) and he isn't going to break the bank....because he doesn't need to break the bank, but he does need to stay in Pittsburgh.

It's the perfect marriage really, for the Steelers and Russ's image and Hall of Fame chances.

Oh and 1 other thing: Joe Flacco "got his Super Bowl" and isn't going to sniff the Hall of Fame.

Russ had a great shot at 2 rings but threw an INT at the goal line after the dumbest play call in NFL history, bar none.

That loss is not helping Wilson get to the Hall and his time in Denver did Russ no favors either.

[Deebo]

I'm telling you, Russ doesn't care about money at this point of his career.

Almost always bout the Benjamins with these guys.

Unless you had dinner with Russ and he told you this personally that isn’t something you can state as a truth.

It could be true. But don’t state something like that as fact when 99.9% of the time it’s a business and the $$ matter a whole lot.

He’s won his Super Bowl.

I mean.....it's pretty easy to do the math and I don't know Russell Wilson personally.

Russell Wilson's net worth is $165 million.

His wife Ciara is worth $20 million.

Russ is nearing the end of his career and he knows it. Dude ain't getting another Denver type deal and that ended up a disaster for both the Broncos and for Russell Wilson's image.

Russ got paid....but it made him look bad. His image took a huge hit and he was already a possible Hall of Famer. Far from guaranteed he's in.

So now he hooks up with a Steelers organization where Russ has a beloved head coach who loves Russ back (we can hate Tomlin all we want. He's loved by most of the NFL and the football watching public in general), has a great defense, a young developing offensive line, superstar level WR, very good NFL running back and enough other solid pieces to make a deep playoff run.

Russ isn't leaving this situation (if you want to make a wager, I'm all the fuck in. Let me know) and he isn't going to break the bank....because he doesn't need to break the bank, but he does need to stay in Pittsburgh.

It's the perfect marriage really, for the Steelers and Russ's image and Hall of Fame chances.

Oh and 1 other thing: Joe Flacco "got his Super Bowl" and isn't going to sniff the Hall of Fame.

Russ had a great shot at 2 rings but threw an INT at the goal line after the dumbest play call in NFL history, bar none.

That loss is not helping Wilson get to the Hall and his time in Denver did Russ no favors either.

I believe you that Russ doesn't care about money.
But with dudes with huge egos, it isn't about the dollars per se, it's about the "status" or tier you're being paid.

Guys just want to say they are the highest paid at their position. Doesn't matter if that's $100 or $100 million

[K_C_]

I believe you that Russ doesn't care about money.
But with dudes with huge egos, it isn't about the dollars per se, it's about the "status" or tier you're being paid.

Guys just want to say they are the highest paid at their position. Doesn't matter if that's $100 or $100 million

Russell Wilson at soon to be 37 years old, has as much chance at being the highest paid at his position (or even close to it) with guys like Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, CJ Stroud, Jalen Hurts and yes, Deshaun Watson ( ) in the league, as you and I do at starting for the Steelers next season at WR. You and me instead of Pickens and whoever.

Russ's big payday happened 4 years ago and while it made him massively rich, it also very possibly cost him a trip to Canton (well, that along with Pete Carroll not calling Marshawn Lynch's number in that Super Bowl loss to the Patriots.)

Russ isn't getting another massive payday, from anybody. Russ needs to win and win big and he needs to do it soon. Time is running out on him. We are all watching Aaron Rodgers fail miserably with the Jets, but his place in Canton is secure because even though Rodgers has only 1 Super Bowl ring (just like Russ) Aaron Rodgers is a 4 time league MVP.

Russ has never been league MVP.

I'm telling you, dude still has work to do if he wants to make the Hall of Fame and going to some other organization after this season because of money would be an epically stupid move by Wilson......and I'm certain Russ knows it. More importantly, Russ knows the Steelers can get better after this season by adding a game changing WR early and maybe another RB (whether Najee stays or not.) Roman Wilson's 2024 season might be bust, just like Fautanu's but I look at those guys as extra high level draft choices for next year.

They will both be Steelers for a long time.

Russell Wilson would be an utter moron to consider leaving the situation he's in after what went down in Denver, at any price.

[jebrick]

Whichever QB they sign will be for just 3 years as a bridge as they draft their QB of the future.

[Jizz Mop]

Is Fautanu officially done for 24 or is there a chance he comes back?

[jmacinwbp]

For those thinking D.Cook is replacing Jones any time soon forget about it:

https://x.com/steelers/status/1852 ... %2F&mx=2

I think Jones is going to be fine, but it needs to start getting better in PassPro soon.