How much would you sign (extend?) Russell Wilson for?

[Mick]

Propose a contract.

So far i’d be okay with $25M/year maybe. Would rather have justin fields (or similar) at $~10M than wilson at $30m tho.

[franco32]

He's played quite well at times given the fact he's saddled with guys like Najee, Van, and C. Heyward (as well as a dinosaur approach to offense at times). I'd give him 25M and draft a QB high.

[CzechSteeler]

2 years, 60 mil., 30 mil. guaranteed. Only 1st year of contract guaranteed.

[DP39]

2 years, $70m, $30m guaranteed (with major performance incentives built in to make it look like a larger contract on the surface).

Trade up next year (whatever it takes) to draft the future FQB -- preferably Cam Ward.

[.Kodiak]

2 years, $70m, $30m guaranteed (with major performance incentives built in to make it look like a larger contract on the surface).

Trade up next year (whatever it takes) to draft the future FQB -- preferably Cam Ward.

This is more realistic. But even then a guy like Russell would probably still expect to be overpaid in that $40M+ range. $40M for QB's is basically the new $25M.

The better question is what can Tomlin do with a $40M+ QB? We've seen what he does with a HOF QB in his prime making a similar % of the cap. He can't have the highest paid defense, then, and he relies on that.

Give Fields an incentive-laden contract. Maybe 2 years paying him $20M per if he starts the majority of games.

[Deebo]

Before we talk numbers, you'd have to place him in the correct tier.

He's not these guys:
Mahommes
Allen
Burrow
Jackson
Herbert

He's certainly not these guys either:

KP
Levis
Minshew
D Jones

[Steelafan77]

I’m still hesitant with offering something substantial for an advanced aged QB.

Hate to pin myself in a financial bind if/when Russ descends to being forced to hang ‘em up. [father time]

For me, how is Fields going to fit into the future plans at QB and whether he will be a viable candidate for resigning.

I have to believe the next few drafts also has some influence on whether one or the other candidates are considered financially feasible.

Great question going forward as the Steelers will require a starter for the 2025 season.

Who? How Much? For how long?

[bradshaw2ben]

1... Dak Prescott... $60,000,000
2... Joe Burrow... $55,000,000
3...Jordan Love... $55,000,000
4... Trevor Lawrence... $55,000,000
5... Tua Tagovailoa... $53,100,000
6... Jared Goff... $53,000,000
7... Justin Herbert... $52,500,000
8... Lamar Jackson... $52,000,000
9... Jalen Hurts... $51,000,000
10... Kyler Murray... $46,100,000
11... Deshaun Watson... $46,000,000
12... Kirk Cousins... $45,000,000<-------------
13. Patrick Mahomes... $45,000,000
14... Josh Allen... $43,005,667
15... Matthew Stafford... $40,000,000
15... Daniel Jones $40,000,000
17... Aaron Rodgers... $37,500,000
17... Derek Carr... $37,500,000
19... Baker Mayfield... $33,333,333 <-------------
20... Geno Smith... $25,000,000
21... †Gardner Minshew... $12,500,000
22... *Sam Darnold... $10,000,000
23...*Caleb Williams... $9,871,515
24... *Bryce Young... $9,488,768
25... *Jayden Daniels... $9,436,663
26... *Drake Maye... $9,159,941
27... *C.J. Stroud... $9,069,811
28... †Zach Wilson... $8,787,670
29... †Trey Lance... $8,526,319
30... *Anthony Richardson... $8,498,508
31... †Jacoby Brissett... $8,000,000
32...Taylor Heinicke... $7,000,000
33... Marcus Mariota... $6,000,000
42... Bo Nix... $4,653,292
44... †Jameis Winston... $4,000,000
52... †Cooper Rush... $2,500,000
53... *Will Levis... $2,385,541
85... *Brock Purdy... $934,252


$48,517,647/per at age 32 was the contract Wilson most recently signed as a FA

Ben's last multiyear contract was at $34,000,000, 6 years ago, when cap was $188.2M and he was age 37

Look at the range I have bolded above and add cap inflation. Cousins (36) signed with 2024 cap at 255.4. Baker (29) and Rodgers (probably a pretty good comp) signed for $33.3 & $36.5M when cap was $224.8M. Stafford (35) signed for $40M when cap was 208.2M.

Throw out the Mahomes number, b/c his ultra-long contract makes the average deceptive. They'll do a restructure or extension soon, because his cap hit the next three seasons will be in line with his status, about $67M/per.

Carr & Daniel Jones are both overpaid, but this happens once or twice every year when teams lose the musical chairs, get desperate to not rebuild, and aren't in a position to draft a guy. Hell, look at that Dak Prescott contract.

Mayfield is underpaid, partially because he was coming off three down years, not starting. When they do his extension this next offseason, you see what his contract is then.

Geno Smith is the only QB in the entire NFL who was signed to be the starter, is not on a rookie deal, and who is making less than $38.5M cap-adjusted. He signed after exactly one year as a good starter, after a long career of being average to below average. Maybe just above that slot is your Justin Fields 2025 number, if he's signed as a starter somewhere.

Wilson will be age 36. 2025 cap is expected to be $260M.
Roethlisberger (37) cap-adjusted: $51.8M
Stafford (35) cap-adjusted: $50M
Cousins (36) cap-adjusted: $45.8M
Rodgers (39) cap-adjusted: $43.4M
Mayfield (29) cap-adjusted: $38.5M

I think Wilson's market value is somewhere near $45-46M. He might take a few million less for a good situation (if he perceives that Pittsburgh is that). he's unlikely to go below where Derek Carr & Daniel Jones reside. Call his Pittsburgh asking price $41M.

[blu]

My hope is 3years /$100 million with a max of 2 years guaranteed.

[anpsteel]

I'm holding opinion until I see how the rest of the season progresses.

Russ is being Russ. It's better than Fields, but he still has to get the ball out quicker and stop taking sacks.

Now, in fairness, the completely moronic play calling doesn't help him, as they run into a stacked box on 1st and 2nd down; which leaves the entire world knowing they are passing on 3rd and long. This of course, gives them the opportunity to throw short of the Line to Gain, so that Tomlin can run the ball into another stacked box, on 4th and short.

I cannot express how much I cant fucking stand Mike Tomlin as a head coach.

[955876]

I cannot express how much I cant fucking stand Mike Tomlin as a head coach.

Come on man. Jibbs is a football junkie. Knows X’s and O’s better than Elle King.

[LakecrestSteeler]

1... Dak Prescott... $60,000,000
2... Joe Burrow... $55,000,000
3...Jordan Love... $55,000,000
4... Trevor Lawrence... $55,000,000
5... Tua Tagovailoa... $53,100,000
6... Jared Goff... $53,000,000
7... Justin Herbert... $52,500,000
8... Lamar Jackson... $52,000,000
9... Jalen Hurts... $51,000,000
10... Kyler Murray... $46,100,000
11... Deshaun Watson... $46,000,000
12... Kirk Cousins... $45,000,000<-------------
13. Patrick Mahomes... $45,000,000
14... Josh Allen... $43,005,667
15... Matthew Stafford... $40,000,000
15... Daniel Jones $40,000,000
17... Aaron Rodgers... $37,500,000
17... Derek Carr... $37,500,000
19... Baker Mayfield... $33,333,333 <-------------
20... Geno Smith... $25,000,000
21... †Gardner Minshew... $12,500,000
22... *Sam Darnold... $10,000,000
23...*Caleb Williams... $9,871,515
24... *Bryce Young... $9,488,768
25... *Jayden Daniels... $9,436,663
26... *Drake Maye... $9,159,941
27... *C.J. Stroud... $9,069,811
28... †Zach Wilson... $8,787,670
29... †Trey Lance... $8,526,319
30... *Anthony Richardson... $8,498,508
31... †Jacoby Brissett... $8,000,000
32...Taylor Heinicke... $7,000,000
33... Marcus Mariota... $6,000,000
42... Bo Nix... $4,653,292
44... †Jameis Winston... $4,000,000
52... †Cooper Rush... $2,500,000
53... *Will Levis... $2,385,541
85... *Brock Purdy... $934,252


$48,517,647/per at age 32 was the contract Wilson most recently signed as a FA

Ben's last multiyear contract was at $34,000,000, 6 years ago, when cap was $188.2M and he was age 37

Look at the range I have bolded above and add cap inflation. Cousins (36) signed with 2024 cap at 255.4. Baker (29) and Rodgers (probably a pretty good comp) signed for $33.3 & $36.5M when cap was $224.8M. Stafford (35) signed for $40M when cap was 208.2M.

Throw out the Mahomes number, b/c his ultra-long contract makes the average deceptive. They'll do a restructure or extension soon, because his cap hit the next three seasons will be in line with his status, about $67M/per.

Carr & Daniel Jones are both overpaid, but this happens once or twice every year when teams lose the musical chairs, get desperate to not rebuild, and aren't in a position to draft a guy. Hell, look at that Dak Prescott contract.

Mayfield is underpaid, partially because he was coming off three down years, not starting. When they do his extension this next offseason, you see what his contract is then.

Geno Smith is the only QB in the entire NFL who was signed to be the starter, is not on a rookie deal, and who is making less than $38.5M cap-adjusted. He signed after exactly one year as a good starter, after a long career of being average to below average. Maybe just above that slot is your Justin Fields 2025 number, if he's signed as a starter somewhere.

Wilson will be age 36. 2025 cap is expected to be $260M.
Roethlisberger (37) cap-adjusted: $51.8M
Stafford (35) cap-adjusted: $50M
Cousins (36) cap-adjusted: $45.8M
Rodgers (39) cap-adjusted: $43.4M
Mayfield (29) cap-adjusted: $38.5M

I think Wilson's market value is somewhere near $45-46M. He might take a few million less for a good situation (if he perceives that Pittsburgh is that). he's unlikely to go below where Derek Carr & Daniel Jones reside. Call his Pittsburgh asking price $41M.

What other choice do they have?

Not getting anyone in your top 15. Below the top 15, I’d take Wilson over all of them. Using your math and the market having the Steelers FO over a barrel, it looks like he will land another $45 million contract. The Steelers already got the QB friendly deal this year.

Watson will probably be next year’s Russ Wilson. That would be an option potentially with the happy endings far enough in the rear view.

RW will get resigned at $45M.

[SteelPro]

You can’t look at these salaries in a vacuum. I don’t see too many teams that both need a QB and would want to hitch to one of his age. I think he gets similar to the Baker Mayfield contract.. 3 year contract in the $30-35 million per year range.

[.Kodiak]

Mayfield is outplaying that contract. As mentioned, he was meh for several years and struggling to find a deal.

I think if you look at that list and follow B2B's logic, $40M is an absolute floor for Wilson in another year the cap probably goes up a healthy chunk.

If you believe you can win a championship with Wilson - and I still say, Dumblin aside, "YES" - then you find a way to extend him. We have the defense, seemingly, and are just 1-2 guys away on offense from having all the pieces.

[anpsteel]

I cannot express how much I cant fucking stand Mike Tomlin as a head coach.

Come on man. Jibbs is a football junkie. Knows X’s and O’s better than Elle King.

I have no doubt Mike Tomlin knows a metric shit ton, more than I do, about football.

But gawd damn, he does not utilize that knowledge effectively; or at minimum, he forgets it at the most important times.

There is a "friend" that likes to give me the "like you know more than the nfl head coach" bs, when I criticize Tomlin.

I just shake my head. Some of his mistakes are Pop-Warner level shit

anywho... Happy Thanksgiving! lol

[Gonzo]

How much I would I sign Wilson for …
I quote Matt Foley
Jack Squat

[jebrick]

I would rather pay Sam Darnold than Wilson but YMMV

Wilson is a bridge at best and a bridge that is breaking down.

[W&M_Steeler]

I would rather pay Sam Darnold than Wilson but YMMV

Wilson is a bridge at best and a bridge that is breaking down.

Darnold is interesting, but Vikings might keep him for another year to see what they have with him.

Maybe the Steelers will pick up Zach Wilson to add to their collection of former first round busts.

I probably wouldn't pay more than $35 million/ year for Russ, as he's too close to the end. Maybe he would agree to a Tom Brady-esque team friendly deal so the Steelers can stock up and make a Super Bowl run next year. That's Russ' one shot at the Hall, so he might take it.

I wouldn't give Fields more than high-end back-up money.

[Steeldrama]

I would rather pay Sam Darnold than Wilson but YMMV

Is Darnold bringing Kevin O’Connell’s offense with him?

Otherwise it’s just a reshuffling of the deck exercise.

Don’t want to sound like that strange fella that posts pics of bloody diapers but Tomlin once again has destroyed my optimism.

I was hopeful having a capable, professional qb coupled with an NFL caliber OC would lead to a playoff win or two.

Nope

Same old Tomlin

Same old Tomlin/Canada offense

Maybe by some slim chance Uncle Artie takes the UNC job, but I can’t see his personality meshing well with college kids ( man FedEx would be some nice NIL $ though)

But none of it matters

Tomlin will still be here

And with him his gawd awful stubbornness and stupidity

Happy Thanksgiving fellas

Thank God for turkey

[gojira5150]

How much I would I sign Wilson for …
I quote Matt Foley
Jack Squat

This right here. No Thx to RW. Roll with JF as we still have coach Numbnutzz. Doesn't matter who is under center as long as cool shades roams the sideline.

[955876]

Nah. I like having a QB that sort of knows how to play QB.

Fields can’t read a defense. And we don’t have the type of coaching to teach him to do so.

[bradshaw2ben]

Russ’s price tag went up a few million per today.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

It's been 6-8 years since they've had this quality QB play.

Suck it up and sign him to at least two more years.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Russ’ agent will get 45M + from someone

Zero doubt

[Gonzo]

Russ’s price tag went up a few million per today.

Yes it did …. Sigh

[Steelperch]

2 years, 60 mil., 30 mil. guaranteed. Only 1st year of contract guaranteed.

That’s exactly what I was thinking. Maybe throw in a 3rd year to give him security that is cap friendly if cut after two seasons.

[franco32]

The price went up, but we need the Tomlin family discount. Tomlin needs to charm Russ and make it happen. It's the least he can do since he completely neglects time management and clock awareness.

[Dan Smith--BYU]

Can you imagine what the Broncos, Jets, Browns and Falcons think when they see how this turned out?

[W&M_Steeler]

Can you imagine what the Broncos, Jets, Browns and Falcons think when they see how this turned out?

It'd be especially great if the Russ leads the Steelers over the Broncos in a playoff win- in the long run the Broncos might have found a keeper in Nix, but it would be hilarious to see them beat by a QB they're paying to play against them.

[Mick]

Can you imagine what the Broncos, Jets, Browns and Falcons think when they see how this turned out?

the lesson i would take isn’t ‘wilson is the man and we should pay him a fortune’, to me the takehome should be ‘spending a ton on a qb usually leaves you with a garbage roster and associated bad record’.