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How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:08 pm
by tbsteel
As arrogant and aloof as he is, deep down Tomlin has to be feeling burned out.
We traded multiple draft picks to improve this team this year and we got embarrassed in the playoffs for a sixth straight time. Completely wiped off in the field in the first half six times in a row.
And now he's looking down the barrel at what, the 20th or 21st overall pick? What's the plan at QB? Fields? Lol, okay. And what about RB? LT? At #2 WR? At #2 CB? At DL?"
If the Steelers don't plan on firing him, which would be shocking, the other way out of this quagmire is for Tomlin to force his way out, either to take a break from coaching or tell Art II he wants a new opportunity with a new team. I think the burnt out factor/stepping aside option is the most realistic.
And how can the Steelers help nudge Tomlin that direction? By letting Mike know that ownership and the FO will be moving forward with a needed rebuild, and that the days of chasing short-term success for the immediate upcoming season are over. They can communicate to him that the #1 priority from ownership and the FO will be to find the next young franchise QB, and they're not going to do that picking at #20 this year. The plan will be to trade out of the first round for a second day pick and an additional first in 2026, and gear their resources towards acquiring draft capital and cap space for 2026. If Tomlin wants to hang on for 2025? Sure, go ahead, but he's not going to get the support he has been getting.
If Tomlin is given the cold shoulder by ownership and the FO, that can help move things towards the conclusion all sides need.
Otherwise, it'll just be another season of my gleefully rooting against this team until Tomlin is done.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:39 pm
by the-other-burg
He likes that big paycheck. What if they move forward with that strategy and Tomlin stays?
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:40 pm
by 955876
Trade TJ, Minkah, and Pickens. Then fire all the staff and tell him he has no say in the new hires.
Take away personnel decisions.
Tell him he needs to win 2 playoff games this coming season.
He will quit.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:42 pm
by beerbrother
There is a saying in government jobs that it is easier to promote someone than to fire them.
Basically you create a new meaningless position for Tomlin like senior football operations executive.
Hire a new coaching staff.
Then a year later decide to eliminate the SFOE position. Tomlin can gracefully retire or be sent to work in the mailroom.
If he complains then explain that his new job description includes cleaning toilets after gameday.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:50 pm
by jeemie
tbsteel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:08 pm
As arrogant and aloof as he is, deep down Tomlin has to be feeling burned out.
We traded multiple draft picks to improve this team this year and we got embarrassed in the playoffs for a sixth straight time. Completely wiped off in the field in the first half six times in a row.
And now he's looking down the barrel at what, the 20th or 21st overall pick? What's the plan at QB? Fields? Lol, okay. And what about RB? LT? At #2 WR? At #2 CB? At DL?"
If the Steelers don't plan on firing him, which would be shocking, the other way out of this quagmire is for Tomlin to force his way out, either to take a break from coaching or tell Art II he wants a new opportunity with a new team. I think the burnt out factor/stepping aside option is the most realistic.
And how can the Steelers help nudge Tomlin that direction? By letting Mike know that ownership and the FO will be moving forward with a needed rebuild, and that the days of chasing short-term success for the immediate upcoming season are over. They can communicate to him that the #1 priority from ownership and the FO will be to find the next young franchise QB, and they're not going to do that picking at #20 this year. The plan will be to trade out of the first round for a second day pick and an additional first in 2026, and gear their resources towards acquiring draft capital and cap space for 2026. If Tomlin wants to hang on for 2025? Sure, go ahead, but he's not going to get the support he has been getting.
If Tomlin is given the cold shoulder by ownership and the FO, that can help move things towards the conclusion all sides need.
Otherwise, it'll just be another season of my gleefully rooting against this team until Tomlin is done.
Art Rooney shares Tomlin's philosophy.
What makes you think he's upset enough to say these things?
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:09 pm
by Works At A Bank
955876 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:40 pm
Trade TJ, Minkah, and Pickens. Then fire all the staff and tell him he has no say in the new hires.
Take away personnel decisions.
Tell him he needs to win 2 playoff games this coming season.
He will quit.
I love all of that - just neuter him.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:12 pm
by NCsteelerSU
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“Despite a widespread public outcry and another embarrassing early exit from the postseason, the Steelers are not planning to make any move involving coach Mike Tomlin"
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Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:21 pm
by anpsteel
NCsteelerSU wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:12 pm
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This from
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on the future of Mike Tomlin, who is signed thru 2027--per his sources
“Despite a widespread public outcry and another embarrassing early exit from the postseason, the Steelers are not planning to make any move involving coach Mike Tomlin"
4:42 PM · Jan 12, 2025
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color me shocked
Once again, people have to STOP GOING TO THE GAMES
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:51 pm
by K_C_
What moves would I make?
I'd sign Fields cheap and try and develop him. If Fields doesn't develop as a passer, then the team likely has a terrible year and Tomlin likely leaves. I love Russ and he played his ass off, but I go with the young, mobile guy. We aren't competing for a Super Bowl anytime soon with either QB but Fields has youth, wheels and a cannon on his side.
I also SERIOUSLY consider drafting a QB like Milroe in the 3rd round. I know, I know he isn't very accurate but like Fields, he has a cannon and is a ridiculous runner. In this new NFL, you have to have a QB that is a strong runner. Hopefully Milroe turns into a Jalen Hurts type player and if he doesn't, you draft another mobile QB in 2027.
I pay Pickens. Sure, he's nuts but he's the best offensive weapon you have and he's still young. I also draft a WR in the first 3 rounds, probably round 2. Looking at mock drafts, there are no D-linemen available near where the Steelers are picking so we might have to look later in the draft for a d-lineman. A trade down in this draft might be smart if they can pull it off. Plenty of good CB's and WR's available but seemingly few d-linemen that can make an immediate difference ala Benton. I think there is a serious chance Cam Heyward hangs em up in the coming months or weeks.
I almost think they have to trade back in this draft. Too many holes to plug with RB, QB, WR, CB and maybe EDGE. The Freirmuth contract isn't looking real good now either.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:03 am
by LakecrestSteeler
K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:51 pm
The Freirmuth contract isn't looking real good now either.
I believe he was top 5 when they signed him and now he is number 12.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:06 am
by LakecrestSteeler
tbsteel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:08 pm
As arrogant and aloof as he is, deep down Tomlin has to be feeling burned out.
We traded multiple draft picks to improve this team this year and we got embarrassed in the playoffs for a sixth straight time. Completely wiped off in the field in the first half six times in a row.
And now he's looking down the barrel at what, the 20th or 21st overall pick? What's the plan at QB? Fields? Lol, okay. And what about RB? LT? At #2 WR? At #2 CB? At DL?"
If the Steelers don't plan on firing him, which would be shocking, the other way out of this quagmire is for Tomlin to force his way out, either to take a break from coaching or tell Art II he wants a new opportunity with a new team. I think the burnt out factor/stepping aside option is the most realistic.
And how can the Steelers help nudge Tomlin that direction? By letting Mike know that ownership and the FO will be moving forward with a needed rebuild, and that the days of chasing short-term success for the immediate upcoming season are over. They can communicate to him that the #1 priority from ownership and the FO will be to find the next young franchise QB, and they're not going to do that picking at #20 this year. The plan will be to trade out of the first round for a second day pick and an additional first in 2026, and gear their resources towards acquiring draft capital and cap space for 2026. If Tomlin wants to hang on for 2025? Sure, go ahead, but he's not going to get the support he has been getting.
If Tomlin is given the cold shoulder by ownership and the FO, that can help move things towards the conclusion all sides need.
Otherwise, it'll just be another season of my gleefully rooting against this team until Tomlin is done.
We all know he is not literally going to be fired, and I think when most on here say fired it is some form of what you describe above. He is the face of the organization, you don’t shit can someone that has lived breathed and bled black and gold for so many years.
But you do say find another job so we can change direction. It is time. Right a resignation letter and I will honor your contract.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:38 am
by Steeldrama
beerbrother wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:42 pm
There is a saying in government jobs that it is easier to promote someone than to fire them.
Basically you create a new meaningless position for Tomlin like senior football operations executive.
Hire a new coaching staff.
Then a year later decide to eliminate the SFOE position. Tomlin can gracefully retire or be sent to work in the mailroom.
If he complains then explain that his new job description includes cleaning toilets after gameday.
The Seahawks tried something similar after last season offering Pete Carroll an advisory position which he very publicly declined saying he wasn’t done coaching so he was ultimately let go.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:18 am
by swissvale72
Art II has no intent of Tomlin not staying
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:26 am
by SteelerDayTrader
beerbrother wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:42 pm
There is a saying in government jobs that it is easier to promote someone than to fire them.
Basically you create a new meaningless position for Tomlin like senior football operations executive.
Hire a new coaching staff.
Then a year later decide to eliminate the SFOE position. Tomlin can gracefully retire or be sent to work in the mailroom.
If he complains then explain that his new job description includes cleaning toilets after gameday.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:09 am
by Gonzo
tbsteel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:08 pm
As arrogant and aloof as he is, deep down Tomlin has to be feeling burned out.
We traded multiple draft picks to improve this team this year and we got embarrassed in the playoffs for a sixth straight time. Completely wiped off in the field in the first half six times in a row.
And now he's looking down the barrel at what, the 20th or 21st overall pick? What's the plan at QB? Fields? Lol, okay. And what about RB? LT? At #2 WR? At #2 CB? At DL?"
If the Steelers don't plan on firing him, which would be shocking, the other way out of this quagmire is for Tomlin to force his way out, either to take a break from coaching or tell Art II he wants a new opportunity with a new team. I think the burnt out factor/stepping aside option is the most realistic.
And how can the Steelers help nudge Tomlin that direction? By letting Mike know that ownership and the FO will be moving forward with a needed rebuild, and that the days of chasing short-term success for the immediate upcoming season are over. They can communicate to him that the #1 priority from ownership and the FO will be to find the next young franchise QB, and they're not going to do that picking at #20 this year. The plan will be to trade out of the first round for a second day pick and an additional first in 2026, and gear their resources towards acquiring draft capital and cap space for 2026. If Tomlin wants to hang on for 2025? Sure, go ahead, but he's not going to get the support he has been getting.
If Tomlin is given the cold shoulder by ownership and the FO, that can help move things towards the conclusion all sides need.
Otherwise, it'll just be another season of my gleefully rooting against this team until Tomlin is done.
Said this in other thread. I agree this is the one way he could go
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:31 am
by Dan Smith--BYU
I guarantee Art while hire someone worse, like Franklin.
There was a time that no one could imagine the Dodgers without the O'Mallleys.
It's well past time to imagine the Steelers without the woketard Rooneys.
And no I didn't forget the first forty years so the family can shove that stogie up their asses.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:19 am
by DumlinBumlinStumlin
Agree sell it, or get Art 2 out of the way
Posted this in main FIRE thread. Word choice of “not planning”
Florio scrubbing his material from Steeler chat boards for sure
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootba ... not-likely
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:25 pm
by LakecrestSteeler
tbsteel wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:08 pm
As arrogant and aloof as he is, deep down Tomlin has to be feeling burned out.
We traded multiple draft picks to improve this team this year and we got embarrassed in the playoffs for a sixth straight time. Completely wiped off in the field in the first half six times in a row.
And now he's looking down the barrel at what, the 20th or 21st overall pick? What's the plan at QB? Fields? Lol, okay. And what about RB? LT? At #2 WR? At #2 CB? At DL?"
If the Steelers don't plan on firing him, which would be shocking, the other way out of this quagmire is for Tomlin to force his way out, either to take a break from coaching or tell Art II he wants a new opportunity with a new team. I think the burnt out factor/stepping aside option is the most realistic.
And how can the Steelers help nudge Tomlin that direction? By letting Mike know that ownership and the FO will be moving forward with a needed rebuild, and that the days of chasing short-term success for the immediate upcoming season are over. They can communicate to him that the #1 priority from ownership and the FO will be to find the next young franchise QB, and they're not going to do that picking at #20 this year. The plan will be to trade out of the first round for a second day pick and an additional first in 2026, and gear their resources towards acquiring draft capital and cap space for 2026. If Tomlin wants to hang on for 2025? Sure, go ahead, but he's not going to get the support he has been getting.
If Tomlin is given the cold shoulder by ownership and the FO, that can help move things towards the conclusion all sides need.
Otherwise, it'll just be another season of my gleefully rooting against this team until Tomlin is done.
You forgot this line as well:
Mike Mike Mike….look what happened when Andy Reid left. We are holding you back….go forth and spread your wings to become the true butterfly you are!
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:46 pm
by jeemie
Art Rooney's first order of business upon waking up Sunday morning was to make sure the word got out he had no plans to move on from Mike Tomlin.
I mean seriously, almost before the sun came up that morning, before there could even be non-credible rumors started as to Tomlin's fate, the team got the word out to the media
That right there should tell you all you need to know about Art's lack of desire to "force Tomlin out".
Art's first order of business was to make sure the sports world knew Tomlin was his guy.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:04 pm
by DumlinBumlinStumlin
Sports radio in Chicago awash with back up the brinks truck for Tomlin
Per Steeler fan there calling messaging into Polo and Joe show
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:11 pm
by tbsteel
jeemie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:46 pm
Art Rooney's first order of business upon waking up Sunday morning was to make sure the word got out he had no plans to move on from Mike Tomlin.
I mean seriously, almost before the sun came up that morning, before there could even be non-credible rumors started as to Tomlin's fate, the team got the word out to the media
That right there should tell you all you need to know about Art's lack of desire to "force Tomlin out".
Art's first order of business was to make sure the sports world knew Tomlin was his guy.
Wording is always important in these situations, as Florio picked up. "No plans" doesn't mean "no chance in hell."
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2025 11:01 pm
by NCsteelerSU
DumlinBumlinStumlin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:04 pm
Sports radio in Chicago awash with back up the brinks truck for Tomlin
Per Steeler fan there calling messaging into Polo and Joe show
Please sweet baby jesus let this happen......brinks, wells fargo, my local credit union, where do we donate to the cause?
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:43 am
by Steelersfan
Not sure the Rooneys or Organizational thought process. But, but if Tomlins staying & I'm Rooney, Im certainly rocking the fucking boat.
Id fire Tyrel Austin tomorrow & hire John fucking (take no shit) Gruden to be D coordinator & name him assistant head coach. I dislike Gruden but he wont take no shit or orders. Plus he was Tomlins boss once already. If that dont get Tomlin to fucking coach nothing will. Rooney needs to do something to kick Tomlin in the nuts, if hes going to keep him. Hiring Gruden is the biggest kick in the nuts I can think of.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:55 am
by steelmann58
Those are great thoughts guys but Art does not seem to give a shit about moving one from tomlin for whatever reason. But he does need to tell him we going out to hire the best DC and let him run things . Also believe Tomlin has to much to say in the Draft.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:25 pm
by bradshaw2ben
LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:03 am
K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:51 pm
The Freirmuth contract isn't looking real good now either.
I believe he was top 5 when they signed him and now he is number 12.
He is not a top 12 TE in the NFL. He was better in red zone this year but he's got a lot of glaring deficiencies, especially for a team than needs him to block people.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:26 pm
by bradshaw2ben
jeemie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:46 pm
Art Rooney's first order of business upon waking up Sunday morning was to make sure the word got out he had no plans to move on from Mike Tomlin.
I mean seriously, almost before the sun came up that morning, before there could even be non-credible rumors started as to Tomlin's fate, the team got the word out to the media
That right there should tell you all you need to know about Art's lack of desire to "force Tomlin out".
Art's first order of business was to make sure the sports world knew Tomlin was his guy.
Maybe the other ownership--who have previously shown themselves to hold the team to a higher standard than AR2--maybe they have a come to jesus with AR2 and tell HIM to step aside if he doesn't want to make the change.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:34 pm
by DumlinBumlinStumlin
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:26 pm
jeemie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:46 pm
Art Rooney's first order of business upon waking up Sunday morning was to make sure the word got out he had no plans to move on from Mike Tomlin.
I mean seriously, almost before the sun came up that morning, before there could even be non-credible rumors started as to Tomlin's fate, the team got the word out to the media
That right there should tell you all you need to know about Art's lack of desire to "force Tomlin out".
Art's first order of business was to make sure the sports world knew Tomlin was his guy.
Maybe the other ownership--who have previously shown themselves to hold the team to a higher standard than AR2--maybe they have a come to jesus with AR2 and tell HIM to step aside if he doesn't want to make the change.
That's what i have been bantering on for weeks now. They better have an intervention because Art2 has run amok and let Tomlin soften the Team's Standard and Legacy for sure. Art should be forced to retire, in my opinion
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 3:47 pm
by Thrillsseeker
DumlinBumlinStumlin wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:34 pm
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:26 pm
jeemie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:46 pm
Art Rooney's first order of business upon waking up Sunday morning was to make sure the word got out he had no plans to move on from Mike Tomlin.
I mean seriously, almost before the sun came up that morning, before there could even be non-credible rumors started as to Tomlin's fate, the team got the word out to the media
That right there should tell you all you need to know about Art's lack of desire to "force Tomlin out".
Art's first order of business was to make sure the sports world knew Tomlin was his guy.
Maybe the other ownership--who have previously shown themselves to hold the team to a higher standard than AR2--maybe they have a come to jesus with AR2 and tell HIM to step aside if he doesn't want to make the change.
That's what i have been bantering on for weeks now. They better have an intervention because Art2 has run amok and let Tomlin soften the Team's Standard and Legacy for sure. Art should be forced to retire, in my opinion
IMO, this is the way.
Maybe the only way. I will probably be crushed but will hope and pray they both move on.
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:31 pm
by Deebo
bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:25 pm
LakecrestSteeler wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:03 am
K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:51 pm
The Freirmuth contract isn't looking real good now either.
I believe he was top 5 when they signed him and now he is number 12.
He is not a top 12 TE in the NFL. He was better in red zone this year but he's got a lot of glaring deficiencies, especially for a team than needs him to block people.
They also don't throw MOF, which news flash is where TE's do their most damage.
This team is so ass-backwards it's fucking maddening
Re: How the Steelers can force Tomlin out
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:51 pm
by W&M_Steeler
K_C_ wrote: ↑Sun Jan 12, 2025 11:51 pm
The Freirmuth contract isn't looking real good now either.
It didn't look very good the day he signed it. He is a below-average starting TE. He'd be a #2 on many teams.