Front Page: Wk 6 Recap Steelers at Chargers: Deja Vu All Over Again

[bradshaw2ben]

Other than bad officiating on purpose, nothing chafes my sense of righteousness like bad behavior and stupid philosophies being rewarded.

https://sportsandshit.com/wk-6-recap-st ... ver-again/

Grammarly warns me that my tone is... "disapproving".

[Orangesteel]

AMEN. 100%.

Who knows if we can do something special this season in a very weak division; our scaredy cat, vaginitis suffering coaches won’t let that happen. Two games now; TWO GODDAMN GAMES; where our defense has completely taken over (CIN game before this one) and a perfect opportunity to OPEN IT UP and see what our young QBs can do and at the same time start developing something on offense to see if we might have a chance against better offensive teams, and both times our idiot coaches turn Mason and Duck into handoff monkeys and hold on for dear life to escape with a W.

I’m so sick and tired of Tomlin and Feetchner. These two guys are an embarrassment. It is nothing short of depressingly hilarious that Tomlin is on record saying that we won’t “live in our fears.”

That is all this turdbag does. He embodies it. And he’s the biggest anchor on this damn team and it’s going to ruin our enjoyment as fans this season. To hell with him.

[Jobu]

Home run B2B.

[Kodiak]

...perfect opportunity to OPEN IT UP and see what our young QBs can do and at the same time start developing something on offense to see if we might have a chance against better offensive teams, and both times our idiot coaches turn Mason and Duck into handoff monkeys and hold on for dear life to escape with a W.

Nothing wrong with just trying to stack wins. I quibble much more with how they started those games rather than finished them. The ultra-conservative gameplans dug us a hole and may have been the difference in losses vs. SF, SEA and BAL. That last one against BAL was an especially awful missed opportunity.

Just what I've come to expect from Tomlin & Co.....shoot your team in the foot 2-3 times a year with stupid game management decisions, and then another 2-3 games where you just get outworked/outcoached by the guys on the other sideline.

I expect more of the same. They only put in the work when their backs are against the wall. Special season? C'mon, this team doesn't have the horses to overcome the self-created adversity. We have a weak schedule, but who honestly believes we'll win all the games we should and a few we shouldn't? We have a defense that has played well and gotten a bunch of turnovers, but that may not be sustainable, either. I'll be shocked if this team wins more than 6 games.

[stillcajun]

AMEN. 100%.

Who knows if we can do something special this season in a very weak division; our scaredy cat, vaginitis suffering coaches won’t let that happen. Two games now; TWO GODDAMN GAMES; where our defense has completely taken over (CIN game before this one) and a perfect opportunity to OPEN IT UP and see what our young QBs can do and at the same time start developing something on offense to see if we might have a chance against better offensive teams, and both times our idiot coaches turn Mason and Duck into handoff monkeys and hold on for dear life to escape with a W.

I’m so sick and tired of Tomlin and Feetchner. These two guys are an embarrassment. It is nothing short of depressingly hilarious that Tomlin is on record saying that we won’t “live in our fears.”

That is all this turdbag does. He embodies it. And he’s the biggest anchor on this damn team and it’s going to ruin our enjoyment as fans this season. To hell with him.

Said pretty much the same toward the in the game chat. Tomlin is running the type of O that he loves. Run, Run and only pass on 3rd and long. This works well against below average to atrocious teams but against an average to good team it fails in today's NFL. Before he had Ben to bail him out with some sandlot magic but now these two young QBs are more tied up, down and collared than a BDSM scene. Tomlin constantly "lives in his fears" because success is the bogeyman in his closet.

[bradshaw2ben]

AMEN. 100%.

Who knows if we can do something special this season in a very weak division; our scaredy cat, vaginitis suffering coaches won’t let that happen. Two games now; TWO GODDAMN GAMES; where our defense has completely taken over (CIN game before this one) and a perfect opportunity to OPEN IT UP and see what our young QBs can do and at the same time start developing something on offense to see if we might have a chance against better offensive teams, and both times our idiot coaches turn Mason and Duck into handoff monkeys and hold on for dear life to escape with a W.

I’m so sick and tired of Tomlin and Feetchner. These two guys are an embarrassment. It is nothing short of depressingly hilarious that Tomlin is on record saying that we won’t “live in our fears.”

That is all this turdbag does. He embodies it. And he’s the biggest anchor on this damn team and it’s going to ruin our enjoyment as fans this season. To hell with him.

To be fair, it's hard to think straight when suffering from vaginitis.

[Kodiak]

Said pretty much the same toward the in the game chat. Tomlin is running the type of O that he loves. Run, Run and only pass on 3rd and long.

And he'll continue to lose winnable games because he relies too much on his defense, even if it's justifiable (which it hasn't been, for years, up until the past 3-4 weeks).

But in today's NFL, even with your defense playing well, you cannot expect them to preserve a 1-score lead - 4 downs plus enough desperation to take risks = hard to stop. That's why you need to be smart about offense (with a lead) and take opportunities to win the game on that side of the ball. You can be conservative without going into a shell.

[Orangesteel]

Said pretty much the same toward the in the game chat. Tomlin is running the type of O that he loves. Run, Run and only pass on 3rd and long.

And he'll continue to lose winnable games because he relies too much on his defense, even if it's justifiable (which it hasn't been, for years, up until the past 3-4 weeks).

But in today's NFL, even with your defense playing well, you cannot expect them to preserve a 1-score lead - 4 downs plus enough desperation to take risks = hard to stop. That's why you need to be smart about offense (with a lead) and take opportunities to win the game on that side of the ball. You can be conservative without going into a shell.

Agree and I’m pretty sure Tomlin doesn’t understand any of this. We aren’t winning the Super Bowl this year but the division is wide open and it would be fun to watch a game in January. Tomlin will find a way to fuck this up though; I’m almost certain if it.

[AirRescueFF]

Playing not to lose trumps playing to win in Tomlin's book. Worse is that his actions don't walk his talk.

Stupidly hard headed and will never change.

You play to the point of breaking the other team's will to play. To the point where you make them feel it's not worth it to try hard. To the point of self-preservation.

[Jizz Mop]

24-0 with 14:03 left in 4th

SD kicked a FG at 14:00

Duck threw that nasty pic at 10:37

Insane that SD had the ball late w a chance to tie!

Kudos to Berry who typically sucks....that was his best punt in a long time....great ST’s play

Pass rush and overall D was noticeably NOT AS GOOD after Tuitt left....

[SteelerDayTrader]

I agree with article in spirit 100%. In actual fact as far as what played out in LA I think its somewhat off base. Consider:

- Steelers roll into LA facing a weak and injured team who bested them last year when they really needed a win.
- Steelers are playing with their 4th string QB and Paxton Lynch with less than a week on the team
- The Steelers WRs are a mediocre and unclutch trending turnover machine JuJu, Holton who has had 5 targets and zero catches heretofore, Stonehands Moncrief, Ryan (LOLZ) Switzer, and rookie Diontae Johnson.
- WR James Washington and RB Jaylen Samuels while not stunning receiving options are far and away much much better targets than anyone not named JuJu are both out for the game
- In fact the only offensive weapons you have available(other than that Murderer's Row at WR lol) who have really done anything at the NFL level are, wait for it; other than the aforementioned recently downtrending JuJu; Vance McDonald returning from injury and James Connor.
- You also have a pretty heavily invested in defense that has been playing real well facing a weak and injured team.

^^^^^ Thats what you know going in. Think about that. Then consider:

LAC opening series = 1st down pass for 19, run 2 run - 1 incl pass punt
PIT opening series = 1st down bomb incl pass run - 1 run 2 punt team pre snap - 5 possibly(??) a career long 59yd punt by Berry.
LAC 1 pass incl Steelers fumble return TD. LAC Chargers get to midfield and throw an INT
PIT Connor gets every offensive touch. Steelers get positive yds on all 7 snaps TD. Duck goes 3-3 throwing to Connor Steelers 14-0 with about 49mins left. Lol. LAC beginning to look like they wont be able to run on the Steelers at all. Punt. PITT Duck Snell and Connor combine for 41 yds on 9 rush attempts. Hodges goes 4-4 with DJ snagging 2 for 14 and Connor going 2 for 31. Steelers 21-0.
LAC get to FG range miss. END OF HALF. PIT moves 73 yds and adds a FG with Connor and Snell handling all of it and Snell showing he can play in this game, Notably all pass attempts to WRs incl but did draw 2 PI penalties. Steelers 24-0. LAC 3 and out punt. About 21mins left in the game

^^^^^ Thats about as perfect a game as you can ever expect from small ball. At what point did it even come close to not working up to that point ?? Why would you do anything different up to that point given that it was as good a 39 mins as you will see in the NFL this season ?? Lets be honest had the Steelers done even close to ^^^^^^ THAT through 6 games they are likely 5-1 with a 2.5 game lead in the AFC North.

As far as the rest of the game Im kinda unsure what people expect ?? Did you really think the LAC wouldnt score 10pts ?? If you were a HC at what point in the last 10 mins (given that the Chargers were down 14pts) do get away from what got you that far ??

I 100% agree the Steelers in general need to be MUCH MORE proactively wide open much of the time in every phase of the organization. There is something to be said for playing the chess match in front of you sometimes tho.

[bradshaw2ben]

The Steelers crushed the Chargers last year. They lost because they turtled and mainly because of three horrible officiating calls, two of which resulted instantaneously in TDs.

They they tried the same strategy, nearly put hem selves back in a position where a bad officiating call or bad bounce could have cost them the game. That’s inexcusable.

[SteelerDayTrader]

The Steelers crushed the Chargers last year. They lost because they turtled and mainly because of three horrible officiating calls, two of which resulted instantaneously in TDs.

They they tried the same strategy, nearly put hem selves back in a position where a bad officiating call or bad bounce could have cost them the game. That’s inexcusable.

OK. Given how this game unfolded. What do you differently ??

[Orangesteel]

The Steelers crushed the Chargers last year. They lost because they turtled and mainly because of three horrible officiating calls, two of which resulted instantaneously in TDs.

They they tried the same strategy, nearly put hem selves back in a position where a bad officiating call or bad bounce could have cost them the game. That’s inexcusable.

OK. Given how this game unfolded. What do you differently ??

How about stop running into stacked boxes on 1st and 2nd downs, putting your 4th string QB into unmanageable 3rd and long situations on the road. That’s not how you win games in this league, as evidenced time and time again. Let the players play. The fact that was a 7 point game when the clock hit 0:00 is criminal.

[SteelerDayTrader]

The Steelers crushed the Chargers last year. They lost because they turtled and mainly because of three horrible officiating calls, two of which resulted instantaneously in TDs.

They they tried the same strategy, nearly put hem selves back in a position where a bad officiating call or bad bounce could have cost them the game. That’s inexcusable.

OK. Given how this game unfolded. What do you differently ??

How about stop running into stacked boxes on 1st and 2nd downs, putting your 4th string QB into unmanageable 3rd and long situations on the road. That’s not how you win games in this league, as evidenced time and time again. Let the players play. The fact that was a 7 point game when the clock hit 0:00 is criminal.

LOLZ !!

These are the Steelers offensive snaps after 24-10. Which ones do you do differently ??

(7:13 - 4th) C.McLaughlin kicks 55 yards from LAC 35 to PIT 10. R.Switzer ran ob at PIT 19 for 9 yards (D.Tranquill).

1st & 10 at PIT 19
(7:09 - 4th) Z.Banner reported in as eligible. B.Snell up the middle to PIT 39 for 20 yards (R.Jenkins).

1st & 10 at PIT 39
(6:22 - 4th) B.Snell up the middle to PIT 40 for 1 yard (D.Tranquill).

2nd & 9 at PIT 40
(5:40 - 4th) B.Snell left tackle to PIT 42 for 2 yards (B.Mebane).

3rd & 7 at PIT 42
(4:55 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Hodges pass short left to R.Switzer to PIT 40 for -2 yards (T.Davis).

4th & 9 at PIT 40
(4:07 - 4th) J.Berry punts 46 yards to LAC 14, Center-K.Canaday. D.King to LAC 21 for 7 yards (J.Holton; A.Chickillo).

LAC go 79 yds and score TD. Steelers 24-17.

(1:29 - 4th) (Onside Kick formation) C.McLaughlin kicks onside 10 yards from LAC 35 to LAC 45. C.Sutton (didn't try to advance) to LAC 45 for no gain.

1st & 10 at LAC 45
(1:28 - 4th) Z.Banner reported in as eligible. B.Snell left end to LAC 43 for 2 yards (J.Jones; M.Davis).

(1:22 - 4th) Timeout #1 by LAC at 01:22.

2nd & 8 at LAC 43
(1:22 - 4th) B.Snell left guard to LAC 43 for no gain (M.Davis; J.Jones).

(1:16 - 4th) Timeout #2 by LAC at 01:16.

3rd & 8 at LAC 43
(1:16 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Hodges right end to LAC 36 for 7 yards (K.White).

(1:11 - 4th) Timeout #3 by LAC at 01:11.

4th & 1 at LAC 36
(1:11 - 4th) J.Berry punts 35 yards to LAC 1, Center-K.Canaday, downed by PIT-J.Holton.

[Orangesteel]

Why are you picking ones until after the score was 24-10? That was what, when there was 7 minutes left in the game?

[COR-TEN]

Ok. I'm not gonna pile on about the play calling and protecting QB's. Yeah, they did that. I've not liked fichtner's approach. But honestly, if you can win without opening the playbook, isn't that a good thing? We all want the QB to sling the ball, but if check downs worked, moving the chains, eating clock, and ultimately scoring. . . The pats have been doing that for a decade.

They won. The D was awesome until the injuries happened. I cannot emphasize enough how much the D has changed since last year. You'd think it would get more love as opposed to shitting all over the offense. Deservedly. But. . .

This was duck's first start. First. Let that sink in. A #3 that maybe doesn't make the team. No snaps with the first team O until one week before the game. Is one week is enough for him to pick apart the seams, go through reads, or have the kind of rapport that BR had with AB? Fuck, this offense is practically brand new outside the O line. The team is desperate for wins. A couple more INT's and this team is sunk for the season. 1-5 is a lot worse than 2-4. And will probably get better.

You guys are a bunch of impatient fu. . asshats. . . that want a 350 passing yard game from a un-drafted first time starter. If and when rudolph comes back, I'm guessing they will open the playbook. Yeah, tomlin has a history with this, and nobody likes it. I don't either, but give the poor bastards some time. This season has been a total clusterfuck, but they've been competitive in all but one of the losses. And that was with BR as QB.

[Obviously]

Wow! Bizarro world on Steelerfury! B2B is very critical (or disapproving) of Tomlin, and STD is questioning B2B.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Why are you picking ones until after the score was 24-10? That was what, when there was 7 minutes left in the game?

LOLZ !!!! Ok. I will take that as you cant find any fault with those.

Heres the 2 series of plays from 24-0 to 24-10. Which ones are just horrible ?? Which ones would you have done differently ??

1st & 10 at PIT 26
(6:39 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Conner left tackle to PIT 26 for no gain (D.Perryman).

2nd & 10 at PIT 26
(6:02 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Hodges pass short left to D.Moncrief to PIT 37 for 11 yards.

1st & 10 at PIT 37
(6:02 - 3rd) Z.Banner reported in as eligible. PENALTY on PIT, Offensive Too Many Men on Field, 5 yards, enforced at PIT 37 - No Play.

1st & 15 at PIT 32
(5:17 - 3rd) (Shotgun) J.Conner right end pushed ob at PIT 31 for -1 yards (D.Tranquill).

2nd & 16 at PIT 31
(4:40 - 3rd) Z.Banner reported in as eligible. J.Conner left end pushed ob at PIT 34 for 3 yards (D.Perryman).

3rd & 13 at PIT 34
(3:57 - 3rd) (Shotgun) D.Hodges pass short left to J.Conner to PIT 46 for 12 yards (R.Teamer).

4th & 1 at PIT 46
(3:10 - 3rd) J.Berry punts 45 yards to LAC 9, Center-K.Canaday, fair catch by D.King.

LAC go 71 yds kick FG. Steelers 24-3.

(14:00 - 4th) C.McLaughlin kicks 65 yards from LAC 35 to end zone, Touchback.

1st & 10 at PIT 25
(14:00 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Snell left end to PIT 28 for 3 yards (J.Jones; D.Tranquill).

2nd & 7 at PIT 28
(13:18 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Hodges pass short right to N.Vannett to PIT 33 for 5 yards (U.Nwosu).

3rd & 2 at PIT 33
(12:44 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Snell up the middle to PIT 36 for 3 yards (K.White).

1st & 10 at PIT 36
(12:10 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Hodges pass short left to J.Smith-Schuster to PIT 43 for 7 yards (R.Teamer).

2nd & 3 at PIT 43
(11:26 - 4th) (Shotgun) B.Snell left guard to 50 for 7 yards (D.Tranquill; J.Jones).

1st & 10 at 50
(10:36 - 4th) (Shotgun) D.Hodges pass deep left intended for J.Holton INTERCEPTED by R.Jenkins at LAC 22. R.Jenkins to LAC 30 for 8 yards (N.Vannett).

LAC go 70 yds score TD. Steelers 24-10.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Ok. I'm not gonna pile on about the play calling and protecting QB's. Yeah, they did that. I've not liked fichtner's approach. But honestly, if you can win without opening the playbook, isn't that a good thing? We all want the QB to sling the ball, but if check downs worked, moving the chains, eating clock, and ultimately scoring. . . The pats have been doing that for a decade.

They won. The D was awesome until the injuries happened. I cannot emphasize enough how much the D has changed since last year. You'd think it would get more love as opposed to shitting all over the offense. Deservedly. But. . .

This was duck's first start. First. Let that sink in. A #3 that maybe doesn't make the team. No snaps with the first team O until one week before the game. Is one week is enough for him to pick apart the seams, go through reads, or have the kind of rapport that BR had with AB? Fuck, this offense is practically brand new outside the O line. The team is desperate for wins. A couple more INT's and this team is sunk for the season. 1-5 is a lot worse than 2-4. And will probably get better.

You guys are a bunch of impatient fu. . asshats. . . that want a 350 passing yard game from a un-drafted first time starter. If and when rudolph comes back, I'm guessing they will open the playbook. Yeah, tomlin has a history with this, and nobody likes it. I don't either, but give the poor bastards some time. This season has been a total clusterfuck, but they've been competitive in all but one of the losses. And that was with BR as QB.

^^^^^this

[anpsteel]

First, that write up was spot on.

This coaching staff is beyond unbearable to watch. Their game planning and in game decision making is excruciating, for all of the reasons you pointed out; understanding that these issues have plagued the Tomlin admin since the beginning.

AMEN. 100%.

Who knows if we can do something special this season in a very weak division; our scaredy cat, vaginitis suffering coaches won’t let that happen. Two games now; TWO GODDAMN GAMES; where our defense has completely taken over (CIN game before this one) and a perfect opportunity to OPEN IT UP and see what our young QBs can do and at the same time start developing something on offense to see if we might have a chance against better offensive teams, and both times our idiot coaches turn Mason and Duck into handoff monkeys and hold on for dear life to escape with a W.

I’m so sick and tired of Tomlin and Feetchner. These two guys are an embarrassment. It is nothing short of depressingly hilarious that Tomlin is on record saying that we won’t “live in our fears.”

That is all this turdbag does. He embodies it. And he’s the biggest anchor on this damn team and it’s going to ruin our enjoyment as fans this season. To hell with him.

Now- this to a flipping T. Tomlin's, we don't live in our fears bullshit is soooo delusional. He has made this team almost unwatchable.

I'm praying the Redskins and Snyder are dumb enough to want him, and that the Steelers organization is wise enough to let him go.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Wow! Bizarro world on Steelerfury! B2B is very critical (or disapproving) of Tomlin, and STD is questioning B2B.

LOLZ !!!

B2B FC and Perch are far and away the brains on this site and there isnt a close 4th or 5th or 6th. Lolz. I have been poaching from them for years and have routinely admitted as much on the podcast many times. Lolz. Merely doing just that keeps ME far above many of the assorted boobs and waterheads here by many miles. Lol. Many of whom are agenda driven haters that dont follow football, the Steelers, sports, or successful happy lives much at all. Of course if they even followed the best Steelers analysis anywhere in the form of the SteelerFury Podcast even a little they might be enlightened somewhat at the very least by osmosis if nothing else. Lol.

Talk to me at 4-4 tied for the division lead at midnight Nov 4 haters.

[Orangesteel]

STD, they are running plenty on 1st and 2nd down. Read over what you posted. How is that not putting Duck in 3rd and long situations?

And what is with the “LOLz”? Are you in 5th grade?

[beerbrother]

Nice write up.

Considering the defense was getting dinged up, felt they went full turtle to soon.

[SteelerDayTrader]

STD, they are running plenty on 1st and 2nd down. Read over what you posted. How is that not putting Duck in 3rd and long situations?

And what is with the “LOLz”? Are you in 5th grade?

And being damn successful with it. Why argue that ?? Particularly given how that game went ??

[Orangesteel]

STD, they are running plenty on 1st and 2nd down. Read over what you posted. How is that not putting Duck in 3rd and long situations?

And what is with the “LOLz”? Are you in 5th grade?

And being damn successful with it. Why argue that ?? Particularly given how that game went ??

That offense is not going to beat good teams. It’s just not. Why are you acting like we are 5-1? Shitty game plans cost us two close games this year and that alone makes me want to punch Mike Tomlin and his goofy OC.

[SteelerDayTrader]

STD, they are running plenty on 1st and 2nd down. Read over what you posted. How is that not putting Duck in 3rd and long situations?

And what is with the “LOLz”? Are you in 5th grade?

And being damn successful with it. Why argue that ?? Particularly given how that game went ??

That offense is not going to beat good teams. It’s just not. Why are you acting like we are 5-1? Shitty game plans cost us two close games this year and that alone makes me want to punch Mike Tomlin and his goofy OC.

Really ?? Which 2 games are you referring to ??

[MJG75]

That is a great write-up and indicative of why I think this site has the BEST analysis bar none. I disagree with some of it and that is totally fine. Main thing is we get it rolling and pile up some W's! Let's GO!!

[Orangesteel]

And being damn successful with it. Why argue that ?? Particularly given how that game went ??

That offense is not going to beat good teams. It’s just not. Why are you acting like we are 5-1? Shitty game plans cost us two close games this year and that alone makes me want to punch Mike Tomlin and his goofy OC.

Really ?? Which 2 games are you referring to ??

Did you watch the 9ers game? Where we had 5 takeaways, a turnover differential of +3 and still lost by 4 points? Do you realize what the odds are of losing a game are when you are +3 in turnovers?

How about our offensive game plan towards the end of the Ravens game? Or the majority of our offensive game plan in the Pats game?

This offense has been a disaster for the most part. Just look at the stats; we are near the bottom in almost every single offensive category. Please STD don’t blabber this bullshit.

[Steeldrama]

A well deserved scathing for Randy Redneck and by extension Tomlin.

I remember a wide contingent of posters clamoring for this stiff to be promoted over Haley. Oh Haley sucked but at least he was a bona fide NFL OC. I wouldn’t let this Fichtner jackwagon call plays for my 12 year olds team and his coaches suck too!

Tomlins boy Joey Porter was shown the door. Time to finish the house cleaning. Art2 lacks the stones to fire Tomlin but his remaining buddies need to be shown the door starting with Randy fitchner

On a more positive note one of my buddies from my Pacific Beach days is a die hard Chargers fan was in attendance texted me cool vid of Steelers fans in his section apparently going crazy because Renegade was played. Said he never saw so many “crazy fatties” waving “.those dumb towels”
He’s my buddy but I was glad Steeler nation rattled SoCal snobs like him