Tomlin: "I hope I'm not an ex-coach at seasons end"

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Tomlin: "I hope I'm not an ex-coach at seasons end"

Post by BethlehemSteel » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:09 am

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... serLink%7D

When talk turned to his ex heads on his staff:
Hopefully (when the season ends), I'm not one of them," Tomlin said.


You can take this 2 ways: he's scared that his shiny bs is finally up or he finally will show us something other than his 'we do what we do' bravado


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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:16 am

Obviously, coaching is a game of attrition. If you will. Iron sharpens iron.

No more fucking cliche spewing bullshit....just get the fucking team ready and prepared for their weekly opponent. And learn how to properly manage the clock.

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Post by Jobu » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:29 am

Can't wait to see where this one goes! :lol:

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:31 am

Jobus Rum wrote:Can't wait to see where this one goes! :lol:


Ditto. Should be a fun thread for the offseason hyperbolists.

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Post by StillerInCT » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:35 am

Still Lit wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:Can't wait to see where this one goes! :lol:


Ditto. Should be a fun thread for the offseason hyperbolists.


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Post by K_C_ » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:47 am

Is there anybody here that thinks Tomlin deserves to be the coach next year if we miss the playoffs again this fucking season?

Anybody?
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:48 am

Still Lit wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:Can't wait to see where this one goes! :lol:


Ditto. Should be a fun thread for the offseason hyperbolists.


3 missed motherfucking postseasons coming off the Tebow embarrassment?

That might be the reality.

Where is the hyperbole?
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Post by Kodiak » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:50 am

KC wrote:Is there anybody here that thinks Tomlin deserves to be the coach next year if we miss the playoffs again this fucking season?


Good question. Basically missed the playoffs the last two years because of major injuries to key players...so I suppose he's used that excuse up (which is legit, but you can't get a pass 3 years in a row).

Anyway, I don't read anything into this comment. Self-deprecating humor and nothing more.
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Post by K_C_ » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:03 am

Kodiak wrote:
KC wrote:Is there anybody here that thinks Tomlin deserves to be the coach next year if we miss the playoffs again this fucking season?


Good question. Basically missed the playoffs the last two years because of major injuries to key players...so I suppose he's used that excuse up (which is legit, but you can't get a pass 3 years in a row).

Anyway, I don't read anything into this comment. Self-deprecating humor and nothing more.


Every single NFL team has major injuries to key players.

All of 'em.

Injuries are not why the Steelers look totally unprepared against bottom dwellers like the Raiders and Vikings.
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Post by Scunge » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:13 am

Reality check time. Do the Rooneys strike you as the type to just fire somebody with two years remaining on their guaranteed contract?

I know Tomlin signed a 4 year $10 million contract at the start. He has coached the team to two Super Bowls with one win and the Steeler gave him an extension that runs throughout the 2016 season.

So, that extension, would it be unreasonable to think that it pays him top dollar? That he is one of the best paid head coaches? $5 million a year, 6? More than that? 7? (**edit - just read where he makes 5.75 Million a season**)

Even if we have a losing season, fail to make the playoffs, the Rooneys are on the hook for 2015 and 2016 with Tomlin's guaranteed contract. Coaches are different from players in that respect. Fans really expect the Rooneys to fire Tomlin and still have to pay him for those last two years, $11.5 million?

I just don't see how that is possible. I think they may do that with his last remaining season in sight but Tomlin has 2014 and 2015 to right the ship. He isn't going anywhere even with another losing season.
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Post by BethlehemSteel » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:13 am

Without BR#7 we are 1-15, or 0-16

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No Hyperbole.........just the reality of wet noodle Tomlin. If we miss again, he should be given a nice exit interview
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Post by jeemie » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:18 am

This thread has the potential to be all kinds of over-reacting awesome.

And I say that as someone who is not thrilled with Tomlin at present.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:27 am

I take this a third way, as in its meaningless

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:28 am

If I'm LeBeau, Haley or Munchak I'm thinking, 'ha ha... asshole'.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:31 am

You guys are smoking crack. Tomlin will be here for another decade. It's going to take a lot more than a pair of 8-8 seasons for the Rooneys to get rid of him. Have you guys not been paying attention to how this team operates over the last 4.5 decades?

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Post by BethlehemSteel » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:37 am

I think we're more than aware of how they operate, they don't work out of the gate with the intensity that they boil down at season's end. That is all on Mikey T.

It' always Ben to rally the troops to attempt to salvage a season. Injuries, everyone has em....we fight to the end, but we leave a lot of W's on the table due to coaching idiocy.

He may be here a long time, but he best right his ways if he and those that drink the koolaid a lot say he's a lock for 15 years.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:46 am

sgtrobo wrote:You guys are smoking crack. Tomlin will be here for another decade. It's going to take a lot more than a pair of 8-8 seasons for the Rooneys to get rid of him. Have you guys not been paying attention to how this team operates over the last 4.5 decades?


THIS ---


TOMLIN IS GOING NOWHERE next year or the year after. And after we make the playoffs this year, he'll probably receive another extension.
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Post by Scunge » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:46 am

He may not be a lock for 15 years but he is probably a 99.9% lock for the next three years. If they let him go after the 2016 season that would give him 10 years as a Steeler head coach.

I know people that seriously wanted him fired after the 2013 season. If the Rooneys had done that they would have been on the hook for $17.25 million (the last three seasons of Tomlin's contract).

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Post by V DUB » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:06 am

Scunge wrote:Reality check time. Do the Rooneys strike you as the type to just fire somebody with two years remaining on their guaranteed contract?

I know Tomlin signed a 4 year $10 million contract at the start. He has coached the team to two Super Bowls with one win and the Steeler gave him an extension that runs throughout the 2016 season.

So, that extension, would it be unreasonable to think that it pays him top dollar? That he is one of the best paid head coaches? $5 million a year, 6? More than that? 7? (**edit - just read where he makes 5.75 Million a season**)

Even if we have a losing season, fail to make the playoffs, the Rooneys are on the hook for 2015 and 2016 with Tomlin's guaranteed contract. Coaches are different from players in that respect. Fans really expect the Rooneys to fire Tomlin and still have to pay him for those last two years, $11.5 million?

I just don't see how that is possible. I think they may do that with his last remaining season in sight but Tomlin has 2014 and 2015 to right the ship. He isn't going anywhere even with another losing season.



Add to that, despite fans ADD, the Rooney's are not, & have never been a "what have you done lately" type of organization. They understand the process...& that process has led too the most trophies in the NFL.

Tomlin's going nowhere. He'll have until his contract is up to prove he put together a winning roster. If they don't show improvement in the PO's by then, I expect him & KC are gonzo.

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Post by Steelafan77 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:13 am

Tomlin ain't going any where folks. I think coordinators and assistants go way before Tomlin is even considered for the hot seat. Media fodder pre camp controversy. Thanks coach for adding this to the slowest of slow off seasons in forever. :lol:

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Post by BethlehemSteel » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:28 am

Im not advocating for his firing, but his stink is worse than Cowher's lean year misses.

He can stay as long as he wants. I like him but his pumpkin shine is long gone.
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Post by Sir Lambert » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:40 am

KC wrote:Is there anybody here that thinks Tomlin deserves to be the coach next year if we miss the playoffs again this fucking season?

Yes.

The management of this team sticks by their head coaches, through thick and thin. I hope that continues to be the case after Dan Rooney has concluded his life's work. That's the only thing that I'm really worried about. His son might not run things in the same manner that he has, and that would be a change for the worse IMO.

I'm sure there's only 1 NFL team who can boast the following about EVERY head coach they have had since the 1970 NFL-AFL merger:

(1) An overall winning record in all regular-season games coached

(2) And playoff appearances following more than half of the seasons coached

(3) And an overall winning record in all post-season games coached

(4) And at least 1 super bowl championship.

As a wiser fella than myself once said, "The standard is the standard."

Mike Tomlin, like Cowher and Noll, has all 4 of these criteria covered at present. (If they fail to make a playoff appearance next season, criterion #2 won't be on his resume for at least a year following that, but he will be given an opportunity to put it back on there.)

If you look at the other 31 teams, I wonder which other team would have the fewest head coaches who failed to meet all 4 of those criteria over their tenure. Probably Houston, since they are the youngest team, and therefore they may not have had very many head coaches since the merger. New England? Dallas? Miami? I don't know how to interpret the data with respect to the Ravens/Browns franchises. I guess the old Browns and Ravens are the same team, and the new Browns are a new team, like Houston? Anyway, all teams except us have had multiple coaches who have not lived up to these lofty standards. At least 4 coaches for each team other than us who haven't achieved to these standards? I obviously haven't done the research for the other teams, but the Steelers organization is by far the best franchise in terms of hiring and keeping successful head coaches, and not hiring head coaches who consistently put out bad or mediocre teams.

The Steelers are the NFL model of coaching stability and success, if you measure back to the merger, which was not long after Dan Rooney started calling the shots.

I expect Tomlin to have a long and distinguished career in Pittsburgh, and never to work for any other franchise afterwards.

To misquote a quotable man, "Every morning when I come to work, I walk past 6 Lombardi trophies, not 5 Lombardi trophies."
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:53 am

As soon as i heard that Munchak got hired I immediately though that another 8-8 season and Munchak is the new HC. Former foe or not I'm sure the Rooneys always respected his play as well as refusing to fire his coaches. Integrity and no bullshit.

Another season without even one playoff victory then Mikey can join Gruden doing color and PBP.

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Post by Sir Lambert » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:56 am

Scunge wrote:He isn't going anywhere even with another losing season.


Another losing season? He has never had a losing season here.
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Post by steelmann58 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:13 am

well its nice to talk the talk but lets see what happens since playoffs are the only thing that matters.

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Post by Kodiak » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:35 am

My view is this: whatever happens this year, I'd let Tomlin go if he doesn't win a playoff game in 2015.

Miss the playoffs this year and I'd lean to letting the ax fall, but I'd have to see how the year unfolds first. My standard is at least a playoff win in the next two years....win one this year and not next year and I probably still let him go.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:36 am

if Tomlin has 10 more winning seasons, raises his career winning percentage in the regular season and never makes the playoffs, he'll be the greatest head coach ever.

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Post by Kodiak » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:43 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:if Tomlin has 10 more winning seasons, raises his career winning percentage in the regular season and never makes the playoffs, he'll be the greatest head coach ever.

/end Peyton sarcafont


Wouldn't that require losing another SB along the way?
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:58 am

Tomlin could go 5-11 and he won't be fired. He has the most secure job in america.Rooney's won't fire him

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:17 am

I think he is going to sign an extension unless it's 4-12 or worse. If they just miss the playoffs again Lebeau retires Haley is fired and Colbert/Tomlin get one more run with new parts...and BR might coin the word "Fanecad".. Pretty much matches what they did with Cowher after his 3 year drought and I haven't heard of any drama with Tomlin/Colbert.

I don't like it. I don't think this organization has a clue of how to build around a franchise QB or draft Oline and Linebackers. To much of a history of wasted picks and poor coaching moves to see this duo putting together a SB winning roster.

But here is the thing...I would have canned Cowher and was completely resigned to the fact we would never win a SB until that "fucking yinzer Cowher" was gone. So I was wrong before and I'm not going to wallow in it all year. I didn't like the draft, I didn't like the no cut blocking, I didn't like the Clark and Adams substance situations, I don't like the "loaded" and all the other smoke by assistant coaches to media off of football in shorts bullshit about guys who have never played an NFL down.

I've spent the past couple months pounding rush offense, defense, injury rates, and the multiple thing. On the other hand imo I think we were a stupid TE fumble away from winning that first Bengal game and that skid doesn't happen. I think we win that Raider game if not for that second half strip and either one and we are in the playoffs last year. We also left a decent number of game changing plays on the field. And in retrospect some of the low lights I've see of Clark was worse then the just poor I rated him at...I can't see MM not being an upgrade. We have no depth anywhere and a Deebo signing would be a very positive thing. I do see some improvement in the defense as long as they stay healthy. I figure the offense is about the same as last year slightly trending down due to simplicity and lack of physicality.

So I'm at 51% 9-7 in the post season. 29% 8-8 and out. 20% 7-9 or worse. So fuck it...I'm back to get in and anything can happen mode.

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