Combine talk

[Greeksteel]

Taylen Green = Terrelle Pryor. Moves just like him.

4.37

Justin Fields and Anthony Richardson are 4.43s. Malik Willis a 4.37. None of those guys are competent NFL QBs because they can’t pass consistently. Taylen Green could be their captain.

Not telling you i want him for the Steelers..but 6'6 with all sorts of tools and athleticsm...id throw a later rnd dart at him. Also wouldnt mind Malik.

[jebrick]

Taylen Green = Terrelle Pryor. Moves just like him.

4.37

Justin Fields and Anthony Richardson are 4.43s. Malik Willis a 4.37. None of those guys are competent NFL QBs because they can’t pass consistently. Taylen Green could be their captain.

Wait a second. Are you telling me that a QB should be able to pass the ball with some accuracy? Damm. what has this game come to?

[jebrick]

That 2nd QB group looked bad passing the ball. Most of what I look for are the out routes and the corner of the endzone throw( not sure what that one is called). Simpson was the only one that was remotely accurate in those routes.

And my combine rant. I want 3-cone and short shuttle drills to be MANDATORY for LB, DB, WR and RB. Those drills show the ability to change direction. only 10% of the players did the 3-cone and short shuttle. I understand you might not have a good score there but what the hell. Thanks agents for telling you people not to do them.

[Steelafan77]

Agree fully brick.

Those tests are far more important than running fast in a controlled environment in a straight line.

Outside of the 3 cone and 20YD short shuttle the vertical jumps, broad jumps and split time are great indicators as well.

Should be upon excepting the combine invitation you agree to participate in every drill and test. Or forfeit your invite.

That theoretically would open up the combine to other players that want to be there but weren’t part of the first choices.

NFL gone soft. Allowing players to be booed at a testing combine is proof it’s about the entertainment value and money.

Should not be open to the public like it used to be.

[Charles Demarr]

4.37

Justin Fields and Anthony Richardson are 4.43s. Malik Willis a 4.37. None of those guys are competent NFL QBs because they can’t pass consistently. Taylen Green could be their captain.

Wait a second. Are you telling me that a QB should be able to pass the ball with some accuracy? Damm. what has this game come to?

Be careful gentlemen, B2B rage bait.

If we draft a project quarterback, I want it to be Cole Payton.

[jebrick]

Report is that Chris Lemon's interviews at Indy did not go well.

Put him on the short list for the Steelers

[Steelperch]

Report is that Chris Lemon's interviews at Indy did not go well.

Put him on the short list for the Steelers

His interview reminded me of a guy on trial for murder who starts taunting the victims family in court. He looked certifiably insane. He was my favorite WR in the class, don’t think I’d draft him now.

[bradshaw2ben]

Sonny Styles entire combine was just wow

See, here's where I almost miss Tomlin. He would've traded a first, both thirds, his wife, her tshirt business and his weird son to go get Styles after that performance.

Gonna miss calling him The Phenomenal One on Saturdays. Was hoping there'd be a chance he'd at least be on the board for us, but that's far gone now.

Sigh.

Don't underestimate how 31 teams in the NFL not named the Steelers devalue off-ball LBs.

[bradshaw2ben]

Taylen Green = Terrelle Pryor. Moves just like him.

I've been on the Randall Cunningham comp for two years.

[bradshaw2ben]

That 2nd QB group looked bad passing the ball. Most of what I look for are the out routes and the corner of the endzone throw( not sure what that one is called). Simpson was the only one that was remotely accurate in those routes.

And my combine rant. I want 3-cone and short shuttle drills to be MANDATORY for LB, DB, WR and RB. Those drills show the ability to change direction. only 10% of the players did the 3-cone and short shuttle. I understand you might not have a good score there but what the hell. Thanks agents for telling you people not to do them.

SS should be mandatory for OL/DL, 3-cone mandatory for EDGE

[Greeksteel]

Taylen Green = Terrelle Pryor. Moves just like him.

I've been on the Randall Cunningham comp for two years.

yup i see that one too..incredible tools to work with.

[Greeksteel]

i really like a handful of Wrs too

[bradshaw2ben]

Justin Fields and Anthony Richardson are 4.43s. Malik Willis a 4.37. None of those guys are competent NFL QBs because they can’t pass consistently. Taylen Green could be their captain.

Wait a second. Are you telling me that a QB should be able to pass the ball with some accuracy? Damm. what has this game come to?

Be careful gentlemen, B2B rage bait.

If we draft a project quarterback, I want it to be Cole Payton.

It's not rage, just the standard for "some accuracy" is different for athletic guys. I get that people here don't think Lamar Jackson is an elite QB, but the knocks on him as a prospect were identical to the QBs you just listed. As it was for Randall Cunningham, Michael Vick, Josh Allen, & Kordell Stewart. Each acheived some measure of success because they either got better, or had an offense built for their skillset, or just plain made plays outside the scheme.

the reality is that Taylen Green has the best highlight reel--running and throwing-- of any QB in the class, except for maybe Mendoza. Of course he has many bad reps too. But, I actually believe in drafting for what a QB is capable of and not based on what his floor is. Mason Rudolph and Laundry Jones are in every class. Who cares? I want HR swings only, so if you're not drafting a HR guy with clean CFB tape in Round 1, then swing for the fences and take the highlight reel guy.

[jebrick]

In this class, I would by a lottery ticket on Green but not until day 3. He would be a unicorn if he could fix all those issues but he has soooooooooo many issues in throwing I would have him work with a QB mechanic coach for a year.

I would rather roll the dice with Green than Allar.

[Greeksteel]

Report is that Chris Lemon's interviews at Indy did not go well.

Put him on the short list for the Steelers

His interview reminded me of a guy on trial for murder who starts taunting the victims family in court. He looked certifiably insane. He was my favorite WR in the class, don’t think I’d draft him now.

Ya his interviews and combine work did not go well to say the least. Im not at the DND stage just yet but definitely definitely raisinfg a cautionary flag until his pro day. Im actually hoping Dillon Thienemen is there at 21 (unlikely) now and grabbing a WR in the 2nd

[Ice]

In this class, I would by a lottery ticket on Green but not until day 3. He would be a unicorn if he could fix all those issues but he has soooooooooo many issues in throwing I would have him work with a QB mechanic coach for a year.

I would rather roll the dice with Green than Allar.

This is definitely true.

[jebrick]

Report is that Chris Lemon's interviews at Indy did not go well.

Put him on the short list for the Steelers

His interview reminded me of a guy on trial for murder who starts taunting the victims family in court. He looked certifiably insane. He was my favorite WR in the class, don’t think I’d draft him now.

Ya his interviews and combine work did not go well to say the least. Im not at the DND stage just yet but definitely definitely raisinfg a cautionary flag until his pro day. Im actually hoping Dillon Thienemen is there at 21 (unlikely) now and grabbing a WR in the 2nd

I think there will be a run on WR. starting around 15 to 40.

I still do not mind Ioane at 21 because he might be BPA at that point. IOL is pretty good group in this draft but you would need to get one by the 3rd round for one that might start sooner rather than later.
I do not mind McDonald at 21 but I feel you could move back and still get him because he is like Casey Hampton and offers little in the pass rush area.

CB#3 should be there at 21. Safety #2 should be there at 21.

[bradshaw2ben]

In this class, I would by a lottery ticket on Green but not until day 3. He would be a unicorn if he could fix all those issues but he has soooooooooo many issues in throwing I would have him work with a QB mechanic coach for a year.

I would rather roll the dice with Green than Allar.

Yes, I think this is the right attitude. Go in eyes open, try to help the kid with the stuff he can control, improve mechanics/footwork (I think footwork is really the big issue. His throwing motion is long because he has long arms but I don't think it's overly long. His feet are inconsistent, though, and I think that's a big issue on short throws. His combine workout throws got better as the throws got longer.

But yeah even I would say don't take him before day 3 unless you have an ironclad plan and the right people to execute it. If Seattle or Baltimore or LA or MIN take him earlier, I could easily imagine it working out. But otherwise, its's a crapshoot.

Allar has some skills-- he's not a zero. And he faced working under perhaps the most anti-QB HC this side of Mike Tomlin. But, like Carson Beck and Klubnik and Simpson... really struggled under pressure. That's about the worst thing I can say for a QB prospect.

[jebrick]

Allar has some skills-- he's not a zero. And he faced working under perhaps the most anti-QB HC this side of Mike Tomlin. But, like Carson Beck and Klubnik and Simpson... really struggled under pressure. That's about the worst thing I can say for a QB prospect.

That is the rub with Allar is that the game seems to big for him but how much of that is Franklin? Someone will roll the dice with him because he looks like a QB.

[bradshaw2ben]

Allar has some skills-- he's not a zero. And he faced working under perhaps the most anti-QB HC this side of Mike Tomlin. But, like Carson Beck and Klubnik and Simpson... really struggled under pressure. That's about the worst thing I can say for a QB prospect.

That is the rub with Allar is that the game seems to big for him but how much of that is Franklin? Someone will roll the dice with him because he looks like a QB.

He definitely *looks* like a QB.

[Mick]

I don’t like allar, but I can see an argument for him as QB2 in this class (for starters, he’s the youngest).

And generally i’m not going to be bothered by what we do with late picks when we have a ton. If he’s our #2 and he’s there in the 5th round, so be it. Same with Chambliss, Simpson, Pavia, Payton, Green, or any of the other ‘arguably QB2’ guys. Just don’t mess with the Day 2 picks.

[Greeksteel]

For sure, nobody, at least i think nobody is saying spend any Day 1 or 2 picks on these guys. Green or Allar or Payton sure throw a dart at one of em on day 3

[cop1211]

Pass on all QB’s this year.