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Post by jebrick » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:44 pm

Can't believe no one has started the over reaction thread.

My favorite so far from the QB measurements
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Post by Steeldrama » Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:50 pm

Saw that Jebrick. It is nitpicking but not ideal if he ends up in a bad weather city.

I get most schools heighten their players but both Thad Moss and Lynn Bowden came in much shorter at 6’17/8 and 5’1O 7/8 respectively

Tua at 6’0 even not working in his favor

I’m sure there’s more minor discrepancies but I haven’t scrolled through them all yet
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Post by Ice » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:11 am

6'2 is bordering on H-back height, particularly for a Steeler TE.
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Post by smithessmokin » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:31 am

I could have told you Bowden wasn't 6'1", Indiana recruited the hell out of that kid when Deland McCullough was the RB coach (now a Super Bowl Champion RB Coach on the Chiefs). Pretty sure he measured in at a little over 5'9" or so. We were all hoping he'd be the next Tevin Coleman but they ended up not wanting him at the end because they didn't think he would fit the culture and he could be a character issue.

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Post by jebrick » Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:39 am

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Post by jebrick » Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:42 pm

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/stor ... n-anything
The latest victim? LSU's Joe Burrow, who made headlines on the first day of the 2020 combine when his hand measured a minuscule 9 inches flat -- a quarter-inch smaller than Patrick Mahomes' mitts. The theory behind all of this, that a college quarterback's hand size correlates to his eventual fumble rate and overall performance on Sundays, has become one of the most prevalent metrics in NFL scouting. There are, however, just a few tiny theoretical stumbling blocks with this edict. For starters, it's based on a physiologically flawed principle and is, according to decades of data, utterly meaningless as a predictor of NFL performance.
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Post by tbsteel » Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:50 am

https://twitter.com/NFLDraft/status/1232299056971632640

I'd put the odds of Moss being considered by the Steelers at 0.01%.

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Post by jebrick » Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:08 pm

My bet is the CBA is passed this week. It will help the Steelers somewhat but more than likely give them the ability to restructure.
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Post by Steelafan77 » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:01 pm

That would really alleviate a lot of the pressure regarding their own FA's. The projected cap is $200Mil

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Post by jebrick » Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:13 pm

https://overthecap.com/calculator/pittsburgh-steelers/

Over the cap is predicting a cap at $203M. That still leaves the Steelers 1.5M under the cap. It is estimated that the CBA, if signed as is, would increase cap space by about 3.5M with most of that being taken up by the increase in salaries for the lower priced players. 2021 could have a huge increase if the NFL gets their new TV deals.
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Post by jebrick » Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:51 pm

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/17 ... cts-talent

Interesting article on recruiting rankings vs the NFL draft/combine

IMO, any team during the combine and draft process that doesn't refer to the recruiting rankings, and also the age of a player, is badly out of touch and basically incompetent. Last thing I want in a top pick is a late blooming overaged stiff who was a lowly rated recruit. Who cares how that guy tests? Sure there are outlier examples. Outliers are for fools. Outliers serve to elevate the rule.
One way to see if high school recruiting ratings accurately measure talent is to examine the NFL draft.

If the highest-rated players really are the most talented, then they should also be more likely to get drafted and have success once they're in the league. To test that theory, I mined data to see if the recruiting services' talent evaluations translate to the NFL.

Recruiting ratings are inexact, and among the thousands of players graduating high school each year, the ratings still overlook some players who go on to become NFL stars. Two-star players becoming Pro Bowlers do make for great stories, but stories are only anecdotal. SB Nation has done some great work in applying probabilistic thinking to recruiting ratings, and they showed that blue chippers are about 10 times more likely than non-blue chippers to be drafted in the first round. The also found that high-rated recruits are more likely to get drafted in the first place and that they tend to get picked earlier in the draft than low-rated recruits.
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:20 pm

jebrick wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:13 pm
https://overthecap.com/calculator/pittsburgh-steelers/

Over the cap is predicting a cap at $203M. That still leaves the Steelers 1.5M under the cap. It is estimated that the CBA, if signed as is, would increase cap space by about 3.5M with most of that being taken up by the increase in salaries for the lower priced players. 2021 could have a huge increase if the NFL gets their new TV deals.
It just makes pushing money into the future so much easier. They can structure and re-structure deals if there's a new CBA. They are very limited in that regard if no new CBA by the beginning of league year (March 18).

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:24 pm

jebrick wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:51 pm
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/17 ... cts-talent

Interesting article on recruiting rankings vs the NFL draft/combine

IMO, any team during the combine and draft process that doesn't refer to the recruiting rankings, and also the age of a player, is badly out of touch and basically incompetent. Last thing I want in a top pick is a late blooming overaged stiff who was a lowly rated recruit. Who cares how that guy tests? Sure there are outlier examples. Outliers are for fools. Outliers serve to elevate the rule.
One way to see if high school recruiting ratings accurately measure talent is to examine the NFL draft.

If the highest-rated players really are the most talented, then they should also be more likely to get drafted and have success once they're in the league. To test that theory, I mined data to see if the recruiting services' talent evaluations translate to the NFL.

Recruiting ratings are inexact, and among the thousands of players graduating high school each year, the ratings still overlook some players who go on to become NFL stars. Two-star players becoming Pro Bowlers do make for great stories, but stories are only anecdotal. SB Nation has done some great work in applying probabilistic thinking to recruiting ratings, and they showed that blue chippers are about 10 times more likely than non-blue chippers to be drafted in the first round. The also found that high-rated recruits are more likely to get drafted in the first place and that they tend to get picked earlier in the draft than low-rated recruits.
Here's the thing, though: causation or correlation? NFL teams start building a file on prospects in high school. If you were a highly regarded high school prospect, you get many, many more chances to fail in college, your chances of getting an all-star invite are higher, chance to get a combine invite is higher, your chances of getting drafted higher, your chances of getting opportunities is higher. Basically, that HS ranking sticks with you for a loooooooong time. Just like NFL bloodlines and size/speed outliers.

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Post by Steelknife » Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:46 am

Good for Justin Jefferson running a 4.3

What a good story he is.

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Post by Jobu » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:10 am

Steelknife wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:46 am
Good for Justin Jefferson running a 4.3

What a good story he is.
It was a 4.44. Nice time, but not 4.3 nice.

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Post by jebrick » Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:22 pm

Trautman with a sub 7 second 3-cone(6.78)
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Post by bradshaw2ben » Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:04 pm

jebrick wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:22 pm
Trautman with a sub 7 second 3-cone(6.78)
That’s a good number for him!

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Post by jebrick » Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:38 am

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Post by jebrick » Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:38 am

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:04 pm
jebrick wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:22 pm
Trautman with a sub 7 second 3-cone(6.78)
That’s a good number for him!
That is a good number for a WR. Better than most WR tested
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Post by Steelknife » Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:50 pm

Jobu wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:10 am
Steelknife wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:46 am
Good for Justin Jefferson running a 4.3

What a good story he is.
It was a 4.44. Nice time, but not 4.3 nice.
Whoops! Meant to type 4.43

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Post by Jobu » Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:47 pm

Steelknife wrote:
Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:50 pm
Jobu wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:10 am
Steelknife wrote:
Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:46 am
Good for Justin Jefferson running a 4.3

What a good story he is.
It was a 4.44. Nice time, but not 4.3 nice.
Whoops! Meant to type 4.43
He definitely made himself some money.

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Post by Ice » Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:53 pm

I know it's not the most meaningful thing on earth, but Jonathan Taylor's 40 numbers (at least on nfl.com were, shall we say, unexpected, to say the least).
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