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Post by franco>madden » Wed Mar 02, 2022 6:42 am

Well if anybody still cares, our moribund Buccos literally can't lose a game the entire first week this coming season ... and probably for longer than that. As you've no doubt heard, the MLB idiots have dropped the freaking ball and cancelled opening day and the first two series of the season, with no further negotiations currently scheduled.

As if Baseball needed any more help slipping further down the drain of national attention, and following on the heels of the dismal world series matchup last fall between two of my personally most hated teams.

Man I used to get so geeked up for opening day. Bah humbug. :evil:



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Post by MJG75 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 8:43 am

Well by now we've all heard. Idiots finally got their shit together enough to set the season back on track with a full 162 game season. For fans nothing much will change other than some rules changes that will go into effect over the next couple of seasons. Offense will go up a bit most likely during this time.

I could give two shits about the rest. All I care about is Let's Play Ball! Looking forward to seeing the youngsters, bring 'em up, BC!

Buy me some peanuts and cracker jacks, man!

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Post by jebrick » Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:05 pm

Not a fan of the DH.
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Post by Jobu » Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:56 pm

jebrick wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:05 pm
Not a fan of the DH.
Doubleheader or designated hitter?

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Post by jebrick » Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:58 pm

Designated hitter. Just not a fan
When you see the writing on the wall, you are in the toilet. -- Fred Sanford

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Post by Jobu » Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:44 pm

jebrick wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:58 pm
Designated hitter. Just not a fan
Ahh, me neither. I’m not really up to date on the new agreement, but am I safe to assume the NL is in on it now?

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Post by jebrick » Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:18 pm

Jobu wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:44 pm
jebrick wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:58 pm
Designated hitter. Just not a fan
Ahh, me neither. I’m not really up to date on the new agreement, but am I safe to assume the NL is in on it now?
That is correct
When you see the writing on the wall, you are in the toilet. -- Fred Sanford

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Post by Jobu » Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:35 pm

jebrick wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 7:18 pm
Jobu wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 5:44 pm
jebrick wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:58 pm
Designated hitter. Just not a fan
Ahh, me neither. I’m not really up to date on the new agreement, but am I safe to assume the NL is in on it now?
That is correct
Thanks. Bob Walk won’t be happy.

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Post by MJG75 » Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:42 pm

jebrick wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:58 pm
Designated hitter. Just not a fan
You and me both, brother. Not a fan of most of the bullshit changes they've made this time or in recent years. Still love baseball but damn they have changed it to death and mostly for no reason.

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Post by Pabst » Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:11 pm

MJG75 wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:42 pm
jebrick wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:58 pm
Designated hitter. Just not a fan
You and me both, brother. Not a fan of most of the bullshit changes they've made this time or in recent years. Still love baseball but damn they have changed it to death and mostly for no reason.
Honestly, i think most of the changes made by MLB is just window dressing.

For me, what's killed baseball is sabermetrics (or more specifically, the strategies teams use that are based on sabermetrics).
The game is just so goddamn boring now - its nothing but strikeouts, the occasional home run, and a carousel of pitching changes.

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Post by MJG75 » Wed Mar 16, 2022 7:17 am

Pabst wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:11 pm
MJG75 wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:42 pm
jebrick wrote:
Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:58 pm
Designated hitter. Just not a fan
You and me both, brother. Not a fan of most of the bullshit changes they've made this time or in recent years. Still love baseball but damn they have changed it to death and mostly for no reason.
Honestly, i think most of the changes made by MLB is just window dressing.

For me, what's killed baseball is sabermetrics (or more specifically, the strategies teams use that are based on sabermetrics).
The game is just so goddamn boring now - its nothing but strikeouts, the occasional home run, and a carousel of pitching changes.
I wouldn't say they are just window dressing. Introducing the DH to NL baseball is a huge change. The others are all ways to try to move baseball into the 21st century which is a huge mistake. Fans of the game love the pastoral nature of it. Every move they make removes that much more of the charm. Those things matter to people and each generation likes the sport less. But you are right. The biggest culprit is sabremetrics which have turned off the casual fan. If you make a game that every school kid knew how to play more and more complicated, you will alienate a large portion of those fans. There are sports for those who like their games and stats complicated. Baseball should not be one of them. I don't give two shits about bat velocity and all this bullshit. Give me a simple box score and I can tell you the story of the game. You Sabre guys can try to convince us that RBIs don't matter when they mattered plenty for over 100 years. So what if it is an imprecise measurement. No one fucking cares. We know what an RBI is and what it meant to the outcome of the game. And don't even get me started on pitch counts. The only time I booed Shelton was when he pulled Kranick after 5 no-hit innings in a game last season. Kranick's other starts were mostly non-impressive. But to pull him out of the blind concern for his arm and what the almighty sabremetrics tells you to do that they rob both the player and the fans a chance for something unexpected and exciting. Maybe Kranick will never have a game like that again, where he is laser focused and has great lineup match ups. Who knows? He may have collapsed in the 6th or 7th, but we, he and us, were never given that chance. Part of the mythos of sports is to enjoy just that: the unexpected moments. That is what makes sport so great. They have sanitized the sport of baseball to the point where it is no longer as enjoyable. I have a youngster I'm mentoring who I've convinced go to games with me and they love it now so I try to stay positive and not dwell too much on these things so as to not diminish their enthusiasm. Especially with how sucky the team is most seasons. But dammit I agree. Its not the same. Unfortunately. There is enough there that I can still enjoy as a classic fan but I do wish they would drop most of the analytics crap.

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Post by JackLambert58 » Sun Mar 20, 2022 8:37 pm

You know, I used to not like the DH being a National League guy, but I've been watching American League ball with the Red Sox for so long, I'm a fan. Sorry, I know that's not traditional, but here's the thing. Watching pitchers hit is about as painful as raking your tongue over a cheese grader. So no, I'm not going to miss watching a pitcher hit, and if you tell me about strategy and whatnot, well, bullocks to that. BORING!!

The other thing, if you're going to have interleague play, both leagues should do the same thing whether keeping it or getting rid of it. I'm far less of a fan of interleague play than I am the DH.
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Post by MJG75 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:42 am

Not a fan, Jack. I'm as old school as they come and NL baseball to this point has been, gratefully as it's the only baseball league that truly matters, real baseball while the AL since the 70s has played this weirdo version of the game. But now here we are.

At least I can halfway understand that particular change even if I'm dead set against it. Hey great that Mel Blount has a rule named after him, but I prefer we would have skipped that rule change altogether. At least I did understand it. Want more offense? Puts more butts in seats? Yeah I get it. Don't have to like it, which I don't in either case, but I get it.

These other ticky tack rules to speed up the game? Not gonna happen and they simply seem ridiculous. Limit mound visits, pitch clocks, etc. Bullshit. If you want to speed up the game and have most be 2-2.5 hours the way they used to be? The two things I see: batters posing a lot more than they used to. Not gonna stop that. The other: pitch counts, and a different bullpen philosophy. You eliminate the unholy obedience to this dumbass idea (cos it frankly to the eye test just doesn't work), of strict pitch counts, you will create a ripple effect that will have the effect of speeding up the game. If you aren't locked into a philosophy that calls for your starter to regularly not make it past the 6th inning, and rarely the 7th, you mandate pitcher changes, which by nature consume time. Add in the change to bullpen that these guys are somehow "specialists" who cant possibly pitch 2, even 3 innings! Shudder the thought. It's all bullshit. Get rid of the pitch counts; stop coddling pitchers. That will speed up the tempo and we will have mostly traditional baseball back (get rid of all the other stuff that flies in the face of tradition as well). I'm an idealist, but not a fool. I know the DH is here to stay, just as no contact past 5 yards ain't going anywhere. But the rest? Pitch 'em to the curb.

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Post by MJG75 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:58 am

I'll just add:

A lot of this is embedded now at the coaching and development level. The coddling of pitchers, strict pitch counts, teaching hitters the importance of velocity and hitting for power. The HR and the K and the slavish devotion to turn everyone into a power hitter or pitcher, these things have become the culture of MLB. If a small market team wants to have an impact, they will have to come up with something innovative, something which flies in the face of tradition. Exaggerated shifts is one thing the Bucs (didn't invent but used most frequently than most other teams) did in the 2012-2015 era. Scouting traditional black colleges, instituting innovative techniques with weight training and conditioning, not to mention the double zone, stunt 4-3, lots of trap blocking. Those things catapulted a perennial loser into a 4 time champion. The Bucs could make a splash with what they are already doing, combined with bringing up some past elements and making them work for modern day. Ditch some of these new "holy cows" like strict pitch counts and see how you do. I predict you'll do better in the win column and draw fans back to the game, make the game fun and more unpredictable again. Even with the DH, a team can turn back the clock by improving areas such as bunting, fundamentals such as moving a runner over, hitting to the opposite field, taking what the pitcher gives you, and reintroducing the seemingly lost art of the stolen base. Lots can be improved by a team willing to look back to the future.

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Post by ironzabo » Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:16 am

Feeling like this club is gonna make a huge jump toward being a real contender come 2023 for the division 8-)

We gonna have to have game threads again here like the good old days during the last build up to 2013 boys .....

LETS GO BUCS

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