Game 162: Pirates at Cardinals

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Game 162: Pirates at Cardinals

Post by JackLambert58 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:39 pm

At Busch Stadium
Game time: 8:15PM ET
Probable starters:
PIT: Ryan Vogelsong (3-7, 5.00 ERA)
MIL: Adam Wainwright (13-9, 4.67 ERA)

Adam Wainwright knows how it feels to pitch in pressure-packed games. He has started 12 times in the postseason, but the Cardinals will need him to step up in order to get there as he faces the Pirates in the final game of the regular season on Sunday.

St. Louis sits one game back of San Francisco for the second National League Wild Card spot with one game to play. If the Cardinals and Giants tie for the second Wild Card spot, the tiebreaker game would be Monday in St. Louis.

"I knew it would come down to the last day. It always does," Wainwright said. "Tomorrow is going to be no different for me. I take every start very, very seriously. I prepare every start the exact same. I'll be very prepared and very ready tomorrow."

Wainwright has a 4.07 ERA over four starts in 24 1/3 innings against the Pirates this season, with two wins. A start at Busch Stadium plays to his benefit with a 3.21 ERA at home, almost three runs lower than his road mark (6.18) in two more starts away from St. Louis. He has also allowed 30 fewer earned runs and 14 fewer home runs at Busch Stadium this season.

Wainwright holds a 5.46 ERA in September, with opponents batting .331 against him. He hasn't gotten out of the sixth inning in four of five September starts, but he has won four starts in a month for the second time this season.

"This is what we live for as competitors," Wainwright said. "The big games…The big starts like this for me? I'll remember these for the rest of my life."

Cardinals left fielder Brandon Moss has experience with Game 162 carrying postseason weight. He was part of the 2012 A's team that beat the Rangers on the final day of the regular season to win the American League West by one game.

"We didn't have anything to lose that day," Moss said. "We were the team that was kind of written off that year, and we came in excited and we put it on them. I think us being the trailers is kind of similar with the same situation. We're trying to get in and we're not playing with anything to lose. We've already put ourselves in the back-against-the-wall situation."

The Pirates will call on starter Ryan Vogelsong, who has made two appearances (one start) against the Cardinals this season, totaling 4 1/3 innings and allowing five runs on eight hits with two home runs.

Three things to know about this game

• Cardinals hitters are batting a combined .278 against Vogelsong. Matt Carpenter leads the lineup at .412 (7-for-17) with a 1.062 OPS against the righty.

• The Pirates are completing their first losing season since 2012, when they had their 20th straight campaign under .500 -- 79 wins would match their total from that season. If the Bucs finish with 78 wins, it'd be their lowest since '11 (72 wins).

• Jedd Gyorko has hit a home run in three consecutive games. The Cardinals lead the NL with 224 home runs, 24 of which have come against the Pirates. They are 72-45 when they hit at least one home run.


My notes:
- I nearly didn't do one last game thread for the season as I'm just so disgusted with these fucking clowns.
- I do have a little hope for the starting rotation as I think Cole, Taillon, Kuhl, Glasnow and maybe Brault may somehow pan out. I hope Nova comes back, but who knows? I do agree with Jeemie that they need that veteran hurler on the staff, but not sure who he'll be. Here's hoping Nova and the FO work something out.
- They definitely need to look at all options and that includes trading Cutch. His subpar season, along with many others tanking, were a big reason the Bucs will finish under .500 for the first time since 2012. Those players all should be ashamed of themselves. I'm not sure they are.
- As I said in a previous thread, it's a team stink from Nutting on down to the foul ball girls at PNC. No Hurdle is not immune, but I think there are different levels of blame. For instance, Nutting and Huntington get far more blame than Clint in my view because of their off season failures. With everything that went bad this season, and there was quite a bit, this team was still in the playoff hunt just two weeks ago. I think you've got to give the coaching staff some love for that. However, you definitely have to hit them for this team's lack of basic fundamentals at times, whether its fielding, baserunning, love to the bunt, etc.
- The bullpen needs to be fixed or turn things around or whatever. All I know if that they were a clusterfuck the entire year. Melancon was the only bright spot really, and he was dealt away for two schmucks. Sorry guys, Rivero SUCKS and SUCKS BAD. The other guy is in West Virginia or Altoona I think. Hell I don't remember his name.
- Looking forward to the Pens threads dominating this forum again. There's a franchise that actually gives a shit about winning. But hoka hey, ain't PNC a beautiful ball park?

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BEAT 'EM BUCS!!!


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Post by jeemie » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:14 pm

Holding on to a slim lead, but the Giants seem poised to eliminate the Cardinals all by their lonesome.

They knew better than to count on Pittsburgh...

And even as I was typing that...the Cardinals seized the lead again.
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Post by Legacy User » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:23 pm

no chance to win with vogelfuck...hes awful..shit show on full display..good riddance 2016 bucs..don't let the door hit u in ass!!

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Post by jeemie » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:40 pm

Cards eliminated...no thanks to the Pirates.
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Post by JackLambert58 » Sun Oct 02, 2016 10:53 pm

Vogelsong only gave up a run on five hits through five. The dumpster fire bullpen blew this one, AGAIN!! Bastardo, Nicasio and some turd named LeBlanc. Now that is a fitting ending to this abortion of a season.
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Post by Legacy User » Sun Oct 02, 2016 11:09 pm

Hard to believe this team won 98 games last year with roughly the same lineup. They fucked up the rotation, should have signed Happ, and so on. Liriano didn't help.

Trade Cutch. Time is now. Get a good major league starter. Meadows comes up mid season. Cole, Taillon, Glasnow, and maybe Nova, plus one other good starter is not bad.

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Post by fractalsteel » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:43 pm

JackLambert58 wrote:s
- Looking forward to the Pens threads dominating this forum again. There's a franchise that actually gives a shit about winning. But hoka hey, ain't PNC a beautiful ball park?


Not so far off and the WCoH was a fun tournament to watch especially seeing Sid dominate and his match up with Malkin.

I feel for you guys that invest time here about the Pirates-you all deserve much better. I only caught about 50 Buc's games this year but what I saw made me appreciate all the more what the Pens did last season.

But the pressure will be on the Pens this year to repeat, something that Chicago and LA couldn't get done. Add to that, Sullivan will be looked upon to keep the train moving like it did the second half of the season.

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Post by franco>madden » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:54 pm

Very appropriate ending to this sad affair of a season --- seeing Pirate fans' comments all over the interwebs telling Nutting to screw himself and "Year 1 of the New Streak" and the like.

Unfortunately none of the outcry will matter until there's new ownership -- I think we just saw the window of this edition of the Buccos' "glory days" slam shut . . . :evil:

See you next spring, baseball fans (oh yeah: Die, Cubs, Die!)

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Post by Suwanee88 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 3:44 pm

Thanks Splat for all of the effort!

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:31 pm

franco>madden wrote:Very appropriate ending to this sad affair of a season --- seeing Pirate fans' comments all over the interwebs telling Nutting to screw himself and "Year 1 of the New Streak" and the like.

Unfortunately none of the outcry will matter until there's new ownership -- I think we just saw the window of this edition of the Buccos' "glory days" slam shut . . . :evil:

See you next spring, baseball fans (oh yeah: Die, Cubs, Die!)

The ball is in Nutting's court now. I'm not bringing my sweet ass back to PNC next season for ~15 games buying beers, dippin dots for the kids, etc. unless management shows me THIS OFFSEASON they are 'all in', as Bling likes to mock in his posts. The good will built off the end of the losing streak and 2013 magical wild card win is now gone.

Go Pens! Go Stillers!

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Post by Legacy User » Thu Oct 20, 2016 3:16 am

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franco>madden wrote:Very appropriate ending to this sad affair of a season --- seeing Pirate fans' comments all over the interwebs telling Nutting to screw himself and "Year 1 of the New Streak" and the like.

Unfortunately none of the outcry will matter until there's new ownership -- I think we just saw the window of this edition of the Buccos' "glory days" slam shut . . . :evil:

See you next spring, baseball fans (oh yeah: Die, Cubs, Die!)

The ball is in Nutting's court now. I'm not bringing my sweet ass back to PNC next season for ~15 games buying beers, dippin dots for the kids, etc. unless management shows me THIS OFFSEASON they are 'all in', as Bling likes to mock in his posts. The good will built off the end of the losing streak and 2013 magical wild card win is now gone.

Go Pens! Go Stillers!


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I feel your pain. The Pirates have their winter caravan, etc. They offer kid-oriented promotions to suck parents and their kids into fantasy land (PNC Park). They show the kids the circus, which the kids love because they're too young to care about winning as much as they may when they get older. The kids then beg you to take them back to the ball park. Eventually through guilt/love/whatever you relent. You will probably again. The Pirates make a good living counting on such things.

Just remember this -- the Pirates dumped Frankie's salary. That was ok with me. Trading away top prospects to dump Frankie was not ok with me. They were still in the roulette hunt and ultimately didn't trade top prospects to improve the team. They dumped Melancon for a hard throwing inconsistent lefty and some other guy who may or may not ever see the show. They proclaimed financial flexibility right after doing this; yet, even before the first pitch of the fall classic is made they're crying poor mouth again. Yesterday's news, today's news, tomorrow's news until people truly stop rewarding such conduct.

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