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Re: GO CAVS!

Post by Legacy User » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:28 pm

I don't like how they are defending Curry

I'd defend inside out. Can't let him create and certainly can't give up wide open dunks off the double team. If he can beat you shooting 3's 4 feet behind the line, so be it.....



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Post by Legacy User » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:44 pm

Fractured left knee cap for kyrie. Surgery is needed and he'll be out 3-4 months according to chris broussard

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Post by Steelcody7 » Fri Jun 05, 2015 10:28 pm

If the Cavs win the title now, LeBron is easily the greatest player in NBA history.

He's already in the convo, but it's now him and a bunch of castoffs yet again. Horrible and ridiculous how injuries can ruin a season. OKC had it happen to them too, just earlier.

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Post by Legacy User » Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:24 am

If LeBron can somehow pull this off with this much adversity, this will easily one of the greatest sports stories of my lifetime.

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Post by Havoc » Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:39 am

Steelcody36 wrote:If the Cavs win the title now, LeBron is easily the greatest player in NBA history.

He's already in the convo, but it's now him and a bunch of castoffs yet again. Horrible and ridiculous how injuries can ruin a season. OKC had it happen to them too, just earlier.


I do not agree with the bolded.

Lebron is an all time great, but let's not get carried away.

The Warriors would get destroyed by Magic Johnson's Lakers.

The warriors would be getting their asses kicked in this series if your cavs had a healthy KL and Irving, and not because of Lebron, but because of how your team is constructed.

Many underestimate the impact the all time great bigs have on both ends of the floor.

Lebron left cleveland to team up with a HOFer and an all star. Lebron returned to cleveland in part because he saw a chance for a stacked roster (again).

5 finals appearances are meaningless regarding this discussion. He would probably have 2 if he had been in the west.

Look at MJ's dunk highlights and then look at Lebron's dunk highlights. The difference is striking. Jordon was an elusive freak. Lebron plays in an era when players can just put their head down and go straight to the basket. Lebron does not have the elusiveness of MJ.

Lebron is not the only physical freak among the all time greats. There are others.

Some people act like they have never seen a natural passing forward. Boris Diaw is a fantastic passer.

You can put Lebron in a small group of all time greats and that's fine, but beyond that is hype.
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Post by Havoc » Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:03 am

Steelcody36 wrote:If the Cavs win the title now, LeBron is easily the greatest player in NBA history.

He's already in the convo, but it's now him and a bunch of castoffs yet again. Horrible and ridiculous how injuries can ruin a season. OKC had it happen to them too, just earlier.


I do not agree with the bolded.

Lebron is an all time great, but let's not get carried away.

The Warriors would get destroyed by Magic Johnson's Lakers.

The warriors would be getting their asses kicked in this series if your cavs had a healthy KL and Irving, and not because of Lebron, but because of how your team is constructed.

Many underestimate the impact the all time great bigs have on both ends of the floor.

Lebron left cleveland to team up with a HOFer and an all star. Lebron returned to cleveland in part because he saw a chance for a stacked roster (again).

5 finals appearances are meaningless regarding this discussion. He would probably have 2 if he had been in the west.

Look at MJ's dunk highlights and then look at Lebron's dunk highlights. The difference is striking. Jordon was an elusive freak. Lebron plays in an era when players can just put their head down and go straight to the basket. Lebron does not have the elusiveness of MJ.

Lebron is not the only physical freak among the all time greats. There are others.

Lebron is not the only natural passing forward in the league. Boris Diaw is a fantastic passer.

You can put Lebron in a small group of all time greats and that's fine, but beyond that is hype.
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Post by Steelcody7 » Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:58 pm

The only thing Jordan did better is dunk and shoot 3's.

LeBron is a better passer, defender, rebounder, and bigger and stronger.

Dunks are only worth 2 points, so that is meaningless.

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Post by Havoc » Sun Jun 07, 2015 5:54 pm

Steelcody36 wrote:The only thing Jordan did better is dunk and shoot 3's.

LeBron is a better passer, defender, rebounder, and bigger and stronger.

Dunks are only worth 2 points, so that is meaningless.


Dunks are overrated, so maybe we agree on that.

I'm not one who believes we have to declare a goat, so I'm not necessarily on board with the idea that MJ was the best ever. There have been too many freakishly dominant players in different eras. It's impossible really to separate them, too many variables.

I don't care much about nba rs stats which are largely worthless garbage and that is a lot of what people want to use to argue for Lebron as goat.

And I don't care much about ps stats racked up vs inferior competition in an inferior conference during non championship seasons if the topic is goat.

In a game of only 5 on the court, show me rings. Need enough rings for Lebron if you want to have a goat conversation. Two is not enough, and neither is three.

Also, as I stated, many underestimate the impact the all time great centers have on both ends of the floor, IMO. There are none of those guys in the league right now. It's a matter of time before we see another, possibly Anthony Davis somewhere down the road if he gets stronger and develops a dominant post game.

All just my opinion, Cody. Good luck to your team the rest of the finals.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 12:54 am

Cavs running zero offense right now

Jones is lost

JR bitching about calls instead of transition D

Bellevedove throwing shit lobs and getting killed by Thompson

Cavs may get run out the gym tonight....

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:16 am

These officials blow

How the fuck is that nor a flagrant 1 against Iguadala??

And why the fuck are the Cavs running doubles at everyone???

Bogut has 16 fouls already. Put that piece of shit Perkins in there to injury someone (green or Iggy preferably)

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Post by Steelcody7 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 1:38 am

The Cavs are getting screwed by moving screens and push offs. It's a fucking joke.

If this team was healthy the Cavs would be up 2-0 going back to Cleveland.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:16 am

Fatty Speights misses wide open dunk and then tackles Bellevedove in front of official to end 3rd and no call.....Horrible

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:49 am

JR smith is pretty cerebral....

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Post by Kodiak » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:55 am

The Lord taketh the CLE out of Lebron, and the Lord returneth.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:08 am

This officiating may be the worst I've ever seen....

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Post by Kodiak » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:19 am

But, man, Bayless is going to go off on Lebron tomorrow.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:22 am

Lost offense without Love/Kyrie but the defense is a lot better

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Post by Havoc » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:26 am

wow, what a game. So many impact moments late in the 4th thru OT

Lebron is a beast.

The Warriors are a talented team, but overrated.
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Post by Kodiak » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:29 am

Lebron showing at the very end there how much he wants this. No one is going to give a shit about his two rings - he knows he has a shot to do for CLE what Ernie Banks couldn't do for the Cubs.

And I know Bayless is a tool...but will still be funny watching him rant tomorrow.
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Post by Havoc » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:36 am

steelcity512 wrote:Lost offense without Love/Kyrie but the defense is a lot better


The defense is the key.

Lebron is going to be Lebron, although his game has evolved over his career. His post up game has really improved.

If you can't D up on the warriors perimeter shooters, you are probably not going to beat them.

Dellavedova was all up in Curry's grill on that shot attempt to win the game.

Stephen Curry... 5-23 FGM-A. Wow. That is brutal.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:50 am

Havoc wrote:
steelcity512 wrote:Lost offense without Love/Kyrie but the defense is a lot better


The defense is the key.

Lebron is going to be Lebron, although his game has evolved over his career. His post up game has really improved.

If you can't D up on the warriors perimeter shooters, you are probably not going to beat them.

Dellavedova was all up in Curry's grill on that shot attempt to win the game.

Stephen Curry... 5-23 FGM-A. Wow. That is brutal.

I'm surprised Curry settled for that shot at the end. For how bad he was shooting I would have preferred him forcing the issue by trying to get to the rim. I don't expect him to shoot this bad again but tonight he was awful. I'd imagine Charles Barkley excused himself from a buffet/hooker long enough to say "you live by the jumper, you die by the jumper"

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Post by Havoc » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:52 am

Keep in mind, the warriors do not have a Magic Johnson, or a Bird, or 2011 Dirk, or an mvp season Kevin Durant, or a shaq, or a Tim Duncan, or a Kobe. Stephen Curry has some really cool all time skillsets, but he is nowhere close to being in that category.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:00 am

Havoc wrote:Keep in mind, the warriors do not have a Magic Johnson, or a Bird, or 2011 Dirk, or an mvp season Kevin Durant, or a shaq, or a Tim Duncan. Stephen Curry has some really cool all time skillsets, but he is nowhere close to being in that category.

Yup. All those guys could/can get buckets closer to the basket. Curry is a great shooter, arguably could be the best shooter of all time when he retires but give me a guy that can get easy buckets when the game slows down. What Tim Duncan can still do at age 68 is crazy. With all that being said GS SHOULD still win the series but it certainly won't be easy, Especially with LeBron saying efficiency be damned and going for broke on the offensive end

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Post by Steelcody7 » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:08 am

Havoc wrote:Keep in mind, the warriors do not have a Magic Johnson, or a Bird, or 2011 Dirk, or an mvp season Kevin Durant, or a shaq, or a Tim Duncan, or a Kobe. Stephen Curry has some really cool all time skillsets, but he is nowhere close to being in that category.


Keep in mind the Cavs are without 2 of the best players in the NBA or it would be 2-0 Cavs.

I'm pissed that the Warriors will probably steal a title from the Cavs, but proud they are fighting hard. Impressive to beat the Warriors and officials without 2 top 25 NBA players.

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Post by Havoc » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:18 am

Steelcody36 wrote:
Havoc wrote:Keep in mind, the warriors do not have a Magic Johnson, or a Bird, or 2011 Dirk, or an mvp season Kevin Durant, or a shaq, or a Tim Duncan, or a Kobe. Stephen Curry has some really cool all time skillsets, but he is nowhere close to being in that category.


Keep in mind the Cavs are without 2 of the best players in the NBA or it would be 2-0 Cavs.

I'm pissed that the Warriors will probably steal a title from the Cavs, but proud they are fighting hard. Impressive to beat the Warriors and officials without 2 top 25 NBA players.


That was an inspiring victory, for sure.

I have always said the late season retooled cavs would beat these warriors, if healthy. I also said it could be a sweep, and the warriors probably would not win more than 1.
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Post by Havoc » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:19 am

steelcity512 wrote:
Havoc wrote:Keep in mind, the warriors do not have a Magic Johnson, or a Bird, or 2011 Dirk, or an mvp season Kevin Durant, or a shaq, or a Tim Duncan. Stephen Curry has some really cool all time skillsets, but he is nowhere close to being in that category.

Yup. All those guys could/can get buckets closer to the basket. Curry is a great shooter, arguably could be the best shooter of all time when he retires but give me a guy that can get easy buckets when the game slows down. What Tim Duncan can still do at age 68 is crazy. With all that being said GS SHOULD still win the series but it certainly won't be easy, Especially with LeBron saying efficiency be damned and going for broke on the offensive end


Thank you for pointing out the greatness of Tim Duncan, who does not get anywhere close to his due.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:25 am

Havoc wrote:
steelcity512 wrote:
Havoc wrote:Keep in mind, the warriors do not have a Magic Johnson, or a Bird, or 2011 Dirk, or an mvp season Kevin Durant, or a shaq, or a Tim Duncan. Stephen Curry has some really cool all time skillsets, but he is nowhere close to being in that category.

Yup. All those guys could/can get buckets closer to the basket. Curry is a great shooter, arguably could be the best shooter of all time when he retires but give me a guy that can get easy buckets when the game slows down. What Tim Duncan can still do at age 68 is crazy. With all that being said GS SHOULD still win the series but it certainly won't be easy, Especially with LeBron saying efficiency be damned and going for broke on the offensive end


Thank you for pointing out the greatness of Tim Duncan, who does not get anywhere close to his due.

Unassuming, May not have the flashiest game, just quietly went out there in his prime and destroyed whoever guarded him. And it's his fundamentals that allow him to do what he still does at almost 40 yrs old. Love watching talented centers/power forwards go to work on the block.

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Post by Havoc » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:34 am

steelcity512 wrote:Unassuming, May not have the flashiest game, just quietly went out there in his prime and destroyed whoever guarded him. And it's his fundamentals that allow him to do what he still does at almost 40 yrs old. Love watching talented centers/power forwards go to work on the block.


This!

+1000

A dominant post up game warps defenses, and when those guys are in the post with the ball in their hands, they have immense control of the floor.
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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 4:39 am

Havoc wrote:
steelcity512 wrote:Unassuming, May not have the flashiest game, just quietly went out there in his prime and destroyed whoever guarded him. And it's his fundamentals that allow him to do what he still does at almost 40 yrs old. Love watching talented centers/power forwards go to work on the block.


This!

+1000

A dominant post up game warps defenses, and when those guys are in the post with the ball in their hands, they have immense control of the floor.

So many things a big man with a great post game can do. dunk, jump hook, drop step, fade away, hit the cutter, pass out of a double team to a shooter, draw a foul

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Jun 08, 2015 2:14 pm

Can't believe Vellavedova (?sp) could guard Curry like that.

That performance and Wawrinka beating Djokovic early at the French Open served as a reminder that a lot of guys are a hell of a lot more athletic than they look.

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