It’s Opening Day...

[Legacy User]

1-0 loss. bats are officially cooled off

[Jobu]

1-0 loss. bats are officially cooled off

I hate to make excuses, and hate to blame umpires...but the home plate ump was hot garbage today.
Mets pitchers, particularly Wheeler, were getting the corners all day, Pirates pitchers were not.

[jeemie]

1-0 loss. bats are officially cooled off

We’ll see. They got 3 runs off what could be the best pitcher in baseball, and scored 12 in 3 games.

As Jobu said, the strike zone wasn’t fair yesterday, but they were within inches of having a lead in the first inning with Freese’s drive.

Surviving the Cubs’ and Cardinals’ series without Dickerson and Bell is going to be a tough task, though. I sure hope the time off doesn't cool their bats off because we need them if this team is to be playing meaningful baseball in September.

And Neal had better do SOMETHING for the bullpen. Not looking for a splash...just a controllable reliever that makes the bullpen better. If there are any bats for the bench, that would be good too, but the fans are watching on TV as well as creeping back into the ballpark. If Nutting and Neal want to piss them off again...they’ll do nothing.

[Obviously]

For what it's worth....

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/ ... -rays.html

[AZ Stiller Fan]

Pirates acquired Keone Kela for Taylor Hearn and a player to be named later. Not a bad trade considering Kela is still under control after this season.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pira ... 1807310072

[Obviously]

Pirates acquired Keone Kela for Taylor Hearn and a player to be named later. Not a bad trade considering Kela is still under control after this season.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/pira ... 1807310072

That is a nice trade. Grudgingly give kudos to NH. Would love to see Archer come over. Maybe if they can package Glasnow and a couple of prospects.

[jeemie]

Very good trade.

Doubt we could get Archer without a high cost but if we could...icing on the cake.

[jeemie]

Although from reading this...in order for it to be a good thing...Searage would have to fix his slider.

https://www.tampabay.com/data/2018/07/3 ... ht-hed-be/

[SteelPro]

NH deserves credit for this one. A proven back end of the bullpen reliever... color me surprised. That is a good trade.

[jeemie]

Just got a ping from mlb.com that we are closing in on a deal for Chris Archer as well.

[Jobu]

Just got a ping from mlb.com that we are closing in on a deal for Chris Archer as well.

For Meadows and Glasnow and ? ...

[jeemie]

Update...the package reportedly INCLUDES Austin Meadows and Tyler Glasnow.

That means there's more in addition to those two.

Wow!

[jeemie]

Just got a ping from mlb.com that we are closing in on a deal for Chris Archer as well.

For Meadows and Glasnow and ? ...

Knew he would not come cheap with YOC to 2021, a friendly contract, and five other teams bidding.

[Jobu]

Just got a ping from mlb.com that we are closing in on a deal for Chris Archer as well.

For Meadows and Glasnow and ? ...

Knew he would not come cheap with YOC to 2021, a friendly contract, and five other teams bidding.

Yep. Losing Meadows is tough. Glasnow...not so much. Let’s see who the third guy is.
To get, you need to give. This isn’t the type of trade the Pirates normally make.

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

2015. The Pirates are in the third of their three-year playoff run. They go on to win 98 games but lose the division to the Cardinals. Available heading into the trade deadline are guys like David Price and Troy Tulowitzki. The Pirates take a bunch of half measures and get washed up Aramis Ramirez, Joe Blanton, and Happ (who admittedly worked). The Pirates get cucked by Jake Arrieta in the wild card.

Neil Huntington preaches how important it is to keep a great prospect pool.

2016. The team tanks under .500 because they do nothing to address their pitching staff. They trade top 10 prospects from the farm system simply to get rid of Francisco Liriano.

2018. The Pirates trade all-star pitcher Gerrit Cole because they didn't want to pay him. They trade the face of their franchise, who just so happens to be making nearly $15 dollars (to their credit, I would, too).

So, with the weakest of the four competing teams, having gotten rid of the strength of the pitching staff in Gerrit Cole, NOW is the time that the Pirates trade their #1 prospect for what would be a #3 starter on a real contender.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The prospect argument Huntington made was nonsense.

Here's what it all comes down to.

Troy Tulowitzki (2015) $20,000,000
David Price (2015) $19,750,000
Gerrit Cole (2019) big extension incoming
Andrew McCutchen (2018) $14,750,000
Francisco Liriano (2016) $13,666,000

Chris Archer (2018) $6,460,000


27 Pittsburgh Pirates $88,802,709
26 Pittsburgh 18,798 (attendance)


Archer deal was made simply to boost attendance first and foremost. Whatever they have to pay him for the rest of the season will probably be made up fans pouring into PNC via false hope and a riveting knob slobbering of Huntington and the team by Greg Brown and the crew.

The Pirates could have traded any of their top prospects at any point from 2013-15 to put themselves in a much better situation with much better teams. It wasn't about maintaining a prospect pool. Huntington's drafts have been so dismal and weak that he can fall back on that excuse. It was all about the Benjamins, baby.

The Pirates could have still been contenders had they made the McCutchen trade but kept Cole and still traded for Archer. That's smart asset management. Really, so was trading McCutchen and getting Dickerson. The problem being that the goal ultimately for Huntington is to make Nutting money. If it were to win, the Bucs would have a staff that had Archer, Cole, and maybe even a guy like Hamels. Maybe they have another power hitter or two. Half measures. Please, don't buy into it.

[Jobu]

2015. The Pirates are in the third of their three-year playoff run. They go on to win 98 games but lose the division to the Cardinals. Available heading into the trade deadline are guys like David Price and Troy Tulowitzki. The Pirates take a bunch of half measures and get washed up Aramis Ramirez, Joe Blanton, and Happ (who admittedly worked). The Pirates get cucked by Jake Arrieta in the wild card.

Neil Huntington preaches how important it is to keep a great prospect pool.

2016. The team tanks under .500 because they do nothing to address their pitching staff. They trade top 10 prospects from the farm system simply to get rid of Francisco Liriano.

2018. The Pirates trade all-star pitcher Gerrit Cole because they didn't want to pay him. They trade the face of their franchise, who just so happens to be making nearly $15 dollars (to their credit, I would, too).

So, with the weakest of the four competing teams, having gotten rid of the strength of the pitching staff in Gerrit Cole, NOW is the time that the Pirates trade their #1 prospect for what would be a #3 starter on a real contender.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The prospect argument Huntington made was nonsense.

Here's what it all comes down to.

Troy Tulowitzki (2015) $20,000,000
David Price (2015) $19,750,000
Gerrit Cole (2019) big extension incoming
Andrew McCutchen (2018) $14,750,000
Francisco Liriano (2016) $13,666,000

Chris Archer (2018) $6,460,000


27 Pittsburgh Pirates $88,802,709
26 Pittsburgh 18,798 (attendance)


Archer deal was made simply to boost attendance first and foremost. Whatever they have to pay him for the rest of the season will probably be made up fans pouring into PNC via false hope and a riveting knob slobbering of Huntington and the team by Greg Brown and the crew.

The Pirates could have traded any of their top prospects at any point from 2013-15 to put themselves in a much better situation with much better teams. It wasn't about maintaining a prospect pool. Huntington's drafts have been so dismal and weak that he can fall back on that excuse. It was all about the Benjamins, baby.

The Pirates could have still been contenders had they made the McCutchen trade but kept Cole and still traded for Archer. That's smart asset management. Really, so was trading McCutchen and getting Dickerson. The problem being that the goal ultimately for Huntington is to make Nutting money. If it were to win, the Bucs would have a staff that had Archer, Cole, and maybe even a guy like Hamels. Maybe they have another power hitter or two. Half measures. Please, don't buy into it.

This would be a funny post...if it wasn’t so true!

[jeemie]

2015. The Pirates are in the third of their three-year playoff run. They go on to win 98 games but lose the division to the Cardinals. Available heading into the trade deadline are guys like David Price and Troy Tulowitzki. The Pirates take a bunch of half measures and get washed up Aramis Ramirez, Joe Blanton, and Happ (who admittedly worked). The Pirates get cucked by Jake Arrieta in the wild card.

Neil Huntington preaches how important it is to keep a great prospect pool.

2016. The team tanks under .500 because they do nothing to address their pitching staff. They trade top 10 prospects from the farm system simply to get rid of Francisco Liriano.

2018. The Pirates trade all-star pitcher Gerrit Cole because they didn't want to pay him. They trade the face of their franchise, who just so happens to be making nearly $15 dollars (to their credit, I would, too).

So, with the weakest of the four competing teams, having gotten rid of the strength of the pitching staff in Gerrit Cole, NOW is the time that the Pirates trade their #1 prospect for what would be a #3 starter on a real contender.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The prospect argument Huntington made was nonsense.

Here's what it all comes down to.

Troy Tulowitzki (2015) $20,000,000
David Price (2015) $19,750,000
Gerrit Cole (2019) big extension incoming
Andrew McCutchen (2018) $14,750,000
Francisco Liriano (2016) $13,666,000

Chris Archer (2018) $6,460,000


27 Pittsburgh Pirates $88,802,709
26 Pittsburgh 18,798 (attendance)


Archer deal was made simply to boost attendance first and foremost. Whatever they have to pay him for the rest of the season will probably be made up fans pouring into PNC via false hope and a riveting knob slobbering of Huntington and the team by Greg Brown and the crew.

The Pirates could have traded any of their top prospects at any point from 2013-15 to put themselves in a much better situation with much better teams. It wasn't about maintaining a prospect pool. Huntington's drafts have been so dismal and weak that he can fall back on that excuse. It was all about the Benjamins, baby.

The Pirates could have still been contenders had they made the McCutchen trade but kept Cole and still traded for Archer. That's smart asset management. Really, so was trading McCutchen and getting Dickerson. The problem being that the goal ultimately for Huntington is to make Nutting money. If it were to win, the Bucs would have a staff that had Archer, Cole, and maybe even a guy like Hamels. Maybe they have another power hitter or two. Half measures. Please, don't buy into it.

I said that earlier when I saw the attendance for the Mets' series.

Fans were watching on TV all along and now sneaking back into PNC Park.

NH had to do something at the deadline or he would have lost everyone.

Especially since this has been a particularly active trade deadline.

I go back and forth on Cole. After starting out strong with the Astros, he's come back to what he was with the Pirates.

And for him we got a nice piece in Colin Moran.

Seeing as Jung Ho is nursing a wrist injury, Moran fills the third base gap nicely.

Not saying I'm drinking the Kool Aid...but it wasn't quite as cut and dried.

BTW in 2015 they also got Soria to be the 8th inning bridge to Melancon.

I don't blame NH for the talent management in 2015...that team went four deep in the rotation and was a legit World Series contender.

I blame Clint Hurdle and his "rest metrics" for sitting key players in key games because the rest metrics algorithm told him to.

And at least three times in critical games he allowed Jeff Locke to stay in games through the third time through the batting order when the stats showed that was stupid.

They lost the division by two games. Easily #Hurdled.

[jeemie]

It's official.

Archer for Meadows, Glasnow, and Crash Davis...I mean...player to be named later.

[Hacksaw Jim Duggan]

Colin Moran is a below replacement level player

The fact Jeff Locke was making pitching appearances instead of David Price.

[FC]

I like it

Meadows was blocked in Pittsburgh until 2020 when Dickerson's contract is up...By that time Swaggerty should be ready or Oneil Cruz may have moved to a corner outfield slot

Glasnow god love him he cant find the strike zone

[Legacy User]

[jeemie]

Colin Moran is a below replacement level player

The fact Jeff Locke was making pitching appearances instead of David Price.

We also got Musgrove (yes I know, not Cole’s equal, but he’s pitched very well).

And I WILL drink the Kool Aid a tiny bit.

Pirates couldn’t get Price in 2014 because the Mariners wanted Major Leaguers and the Pirates had none to give.

In 2015, the Blue Jays parted with some highly-rated assets to land Price...higher in value than the Pirates had to offer. It is quite possible Neal tried to get him in 2015 and just could not.

The deadline deals he made in 2015 were quite good. I’m sorry- Hurdle is more to blame that year.

[Legacy User]

Colin Moran is a below replacement level player

The fact Jeff Locke was making pitching appearances instead of David Price.

We also got Musgrove (yes I know, not Cole’s equal, but he’s pitched very well).

And I WILL drink the Kool Aid a tiny bit.

Pirates couldn’t get Price in 2014 because the Mariners wanted Major Leaguers and the Pirates had none to give.

In 2015, the Blue Jays parted with some highly-rated assets to land Price...higher in value than the Pirates had to offer. It is quite possible Neal tried to get him in 2015 and just could not.

The deadline deals he made in 2015 were quite good. I’m sorry- Hurdle is more to blame that year.

Jeemie drinking the Kool-Aid! Fuck yeah it's goooood!!!

[jeemie]

Not really. The Cole trade was kind of stupid.

[Legacy User]

Knew he would not come cheap with YOC to 2021, a friendly contract, and five other teams bidding.[/quote]
Yep. Losing Meadows is tough. Glasnow...not so much. Let’s see who the third guy is.



To get, you need to give. This isn’t the type of trade the Pirates normally make.[/quote]



yes.. I really liked meadows. glasnow a dud underachiever. shocked really. I honestly believe this is PR move more then Bucs going all in. appease the masses this year for a bigger cuts next year.

[jeemie]

Maybe we can get 2015 Archer for the rest of the year like we got in 2016 with Nova, before he fell back off the cliff.

Kela was a great deal, though.

[Legacy User]

2015. The Pirates are in the third of their three-year playoff run. They go on to win 98 games but lose the division to the Cardinals. Available heading into the trade deadline are guys like David Price and Troy Tulowitzki. The Pirates take a bunch of half measures and get washed up Aramis Ramirez, Joe Blanton, and Happ (who admittedly worked). The Pirates get cucked by Jake Arrieta in the wild card.

Neil Huntington preaches how important it is to keep a great prospect pool.

2016. The team tanks under .500 because they do nothing to address their pitching staff. They trade top 10 prospects from the farm system simply to get rid of Francisco Liriano.

2018. The Pirates trade all-star pitcher Gerrit Cole because they didn't want to pay him. They trade the face of their franchise, who just so happens to be making nearly $15 dollars (to their credit, I would, too).

So, with the weakest of the four competing teams, having gotten rid of the strength of the pitching staff in Gerrit Cole, NOW is the time that the Pirates trade their #1 prospect for what would be a #3 starter on a real contender.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

The prospect argument Huntington made was nonsense.

Here's what it all comes down to.

Troy Tulowitzki (2015) $20,000,000
David Price (2015) $19,750,000
Gerrit Cole (2019) big extension incoming
Andrew McCutchen (2018) $14,750,000
Francisco Liriano (2016) $13,666,000

Chris Archer (2018) $6,460,000


27 Pittsburgh Pirates $88,802,709
26 Pittsburgh 18,798 (attendance)


Archer deal was made simply to boost attendance first and foremost. Whatever they have to pay him for the rest of the season will probably be made up fans pouring into PNC via false hope and a riveting knob slobbering of Huntington and the team by Greg Brown and the crew.

The Pirates could have traded any of their top prospects at any point from 2013-15 to put themselves in a much better situation with much better teams. It wasn't about maintaining a prospect pool. Huntington's drafts have been so dismal and weak that he can fall back on that excuse. It was all about the Benjamins, baby.

The Pirates could have still been contenders had they made the McCutchen trade but kept Cole and still traded for Archer. That's smart asset management. Really, so was trading McCutchen and getting Dickerson. The problem being that the goal ultimately for Huntington is to make Nutting money. If it were to win, the Bucs would have a staff that had Archer, Cole, and maybe even a guy like Hamels. Maybe they have another power hitter or two. Half measures. Please, don't buy into it.

I said that earlier when I saw the attendance for the Mets' series.

Fans were watching on TV all along and now sneaking back into PNC Park.

NH had to do something at the deadline or he would have lost everyone.

Especially since this has been a particularly active trade deadline.

I go back and forth on Cole. After starting out strong with the Astros, he's come back to what he was with the Pirates.

And for him we got a nice piece in Colin Moran.

Seeing as Jung Ho is nursing a wrist injury, Moran fills the third base gap nicely.

Not saying I'm drinking the Kool Aid...but it wasn't quite as cut and dried.

BTW in 2015 they also got Soria to be the 8th inning bridge to Melancon.

I don't blame NH for the talent management in 2015...that team went four deep in the rotation and was a legit World Series contender.

I blame Clint Hurdle and his "rest metrics" for sitting key players in key games because the rest metrics algorithm told him to.

And at least three times in critical games he allowed Jeff Locke to stay in games through the third time through the batting order when the stats showed that was stupid.

They lost the division by two games. Easily #Hurdled.

well said jeems. we remember that year hurdled and nibbles killing Bucs among other strange decisions by Clint. I agree they had to try to show they give a shit. but Bucs care more about the dollars then most any team in sport. I'm just glad they did something instead of dumps. what bout happ? coulda had him all this time. he was great for Bucs. Byrd.? Justin mornuau? Neal walker?. they let these solid players just walk. time will tell on this trade. hope it works out.

[jeemie]

Freese is having a nice July.

[jeemie]

Uh oh....Biertempfel tweet:

Rob Biertempfel
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Team source told me the ptbnl to Tampa Bay will be "significant ... the kind of player who our fans already know his name."

[Legacy User]

Freese is having a nice July.

dudes raking.. much needed too. clutch hits