Herman Cain goes to the great rally in the sky.
Re: Herman Cain goes to the great rally in the sky.
BTW, there's only one party talking about packing the SCOTUS and eliminating the filibuster. And when that inevitably happens, we are officially fucked.
Very ironic for the party that bukkakes us with "OMG Trump is a fascist!!!!" daily. Yes, he is a turd. But the constitution that liberals want to destroy has been remarkably effective at preventing Trump from actually ending the world.
Very ironic for the party that bukkakes us with "OMG Trump is a fascist!!!!" daily. Yes, he is a turd. But the constitution that liberals want to destroy has been remarkably effective at preventing Trump from actually ending the world.
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Mainstream (majority of) Democrats are not interested in doing this. The charitable interpretation is that you do not realize this. The uncharitable interpretation is that you do and you're just parroting right wing tribal nonsense.Kodiak wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:10 amBTW, there's only one party talking about packing the SCOTUS and eliminating the filibuster. And when that inevitably happens, we are officially fucked.
Very ironic for the party that bukkakes us with "OMG Trump is a fascist!!!!" daily. Yes, he is a turd. But the constitution that liberals want to destroy has been remarkably effective at preventing Trump from actually ending the world.
Do you really not realize that you sometimes do what the right wing talking heads do? Namely, take the looney far left noise and portray it as if it represented the mainstream majority of Dem voters. The suburban and even urban Dem voter in Ohio does not want to defund police, pack the court, mandate that you buy an electric car, etc.
"Liberals" want to destroy the constitution. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I very much hope the Senate can get its act together and become again an actual governing body so that we do not need threats of ending filibusters. But last time I checked, the Senate sets its own procedural rules. So to act as if getting rid of the filibuster has anything to do with the constitution...again, either you're being disingenuous or are woefully uninformed. Same with the SCOTUS. Common sense conservatism suggests we should not monkey with the number of justices. But it would not be the destruction of the constitution for reasons you well know. But again, the vast majority of Dem voters are not clamoring for this.
Kodiak, I don't understand how someone as smart as you can have these occasional eruptions of retarded hyperbole. When you do this, you sound no less hysterical than "the left" you make fun of.
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Newt invented modern scorched earth tactics and was the first to weaponize cable TV and right wing radio coverage. What does his being out of office for 20 years have to do with disproving my point that much of the tribal the other side is the enemy and can't be worked with started with him?Kodiak wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:03 amNewt has been out of office for 20+ years. You sure that's the hill you want to die on?Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:25 pmNewt is the guy who made working with the other side a sin and grounds for a primary challenge. He did more evil to our political system than any modern politician. The guy is a total rake. Rule changes were the inevitable outcome of NG's never compromise, the other side is evil, gin up the base using media strategy.
I won't deny the one-upsmanship of both parties with each shift, and you may not be wrong on pinning this on Newt. But my take is Pelosi/Reid in 2008 thought the Dems would never lose control, and acted very fascistly.
Yeah, Reid def over reached. I do not deny it and never did. I merely made the point that ol' Newt began the modern destruction of an awful lot of norms and we've never been able to get the toothpaste back in the tube.
I'm glad you don't deny something you did not think of yourself. That sounds like progress.
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Question for you Lit -- in five years do you see the Democratic party as more left-wing compared to now or less left-wing? Who do you see as the Democratic party leader in 5-10 years?Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:03 pmMainstream (majority of) Democrats are not interested in doing this. The charitable interpretation is that you do not realize this. The uncharitable interpretation is that you do and you're just parroting right wing tribal nonsense.Kodiak wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:10 amBTW, there's only one party talking about packing the SCOTUS and eliminating the filibuster. And when that inevitably happens, we are officially fucked.
Very ironic for the party that bukkakes us with "OMG Trump is a fascist!!!!" daily. Yes, he is a turd. But the constitution that liberals want to destroy has been remarkably effective at preventing Trump from actually ending the world.
Do you really not realize that you sometimes do what the right wing talking heads do? Namely, take the looney far left noise and portray it as if it represented the mainstream majority of Dem voters. The suburban and even urban Dem voter in Ohio does not want to defund police, pack the court, mandate that you buy an electric car, etc.
"Liberals" want to destroy the constitution. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I very much hope the Senate can get its act together and become again an actual governing body so that we do not need threats of ending filibusters. But last time I checked, the Senate sets its own procedural rules. So to act as if getting rid of the filibuster has anything to do with the constitution...again, either you're being disingenuous or are woefully uninformed. Same with the SCOTUS. Common sense conservatism suggests we should not monkey with the number of justices. But it would not be the destruction of the constitution for reasons you well know. But again, the vast majority of Dem voters are not clamoring for this.
Kodiak, I don't understand how someone as smart as you can have these occasional eruptions of retarded hyperbole. When you do this, you sound no less hysterical than "the left" you make fun of.
If Cory Booker, Liz Warren, Mayor Pete, Kamala Harris, AOC, and other Democractic leaders have provided ranging degrees of support for court packing, I don't think you can claim it isn't a mainstream Democractic belief. Sure, it isn't the majority! Agreed. But also the majority isn't where the engery is. Reprations 4 years ago was a fringe fringe fringe position. It ain't anymore. One example does not prove a trend, but it is consistent with the trend.
One more thing -- court packing is the end of the constituional order (assuming you believe the constituional order includes Marbury v. Madison). Because court packing effectively eliminates judical review, which would eliminate separation of powers heavily blunting Art III. It would be nothing short of a diaster.
While this may be true, where are the loud voices within the Democratic Party?Do you really not realize that you sometimes do what the right wing talking heads do? Namely, take the looney far left noise and portray it as if it represented the mainstream majority of Dem voters. The suburban and even urban Dem voter in Ohio does not want to defund police, pack the court, mandate that you buy an electric car, etc.
It certainly isn’t coming from what you refer to as “mainstream” Dems.
Loudest voices are currently the most radical and anyone who disagrees gets shouted down and/or cancelled.
Odd that the party that decries “fascism” the most certainly tries to emulate it by its actions.
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I believe that conservatism has a place and it certainly has a place in when it comes to the number of justices. If it ain't broke, you don't fix it. I also believe that there is no set number of justices prescribed by the constitution. So what is really happening is that the conservative minded person is horrified by the notion that we would pack the court.zeke5123 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:59 pmQuestion for you Lit -- in five years do you see the Democratic party as more left-wing compared to now or less left-wing? Who do you see as the Democratic party leader in 5-10 years?Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 1:03 pmMainstream (majority of) Democrats are not interested in doing this. The charitable interpretation is that you do not realize this. The uncharitable interpretation is that you do and you're just parroting right wing tribal nonsense.Kodiak wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:10 amBTW, there's only one party talking about packing the SCOTUS and eliminating the filibuster. And when that inevitably happens, we are officially fucked.
Very ironic for the party that bukkakes us with "OMG Trump is a fascist!!!!" daily. Yes, he is a turd. But the constitution that liberals want to destroy has been remarkably effective at preventing Trump from actually ending the world.
Do you really not realize that you sometimes do what the right wing talking heads do? Namely, take the looney far left noise and portray it as if it represented the mainstream majority of Dem voters. The suburban and even urban Dem voter in Ohio does not want to defund police, pack the court, mandate that you buy an electric car, etc.
"Liberals" want to destroy the constitution. LOLOLOLOLOLOL
I very much hope the Senate can get its act together and become again an actual governing body so that we do not need threats of ending filibusters. But last time I checked, the Senate sets its own procedural rules. So to act as if getting rid of the filibuster has anything to do with the constitution...again, either you're being disingenuous or are woefully uninformed. Same with the SCOTUS. Common sense conservatism suggests we should not monkey with the number of justices. But it would not be the destruction of the constitution for reasons you well know. But again, the vast majority of Dem voters are not clamoring for this.
Kodiak, I don't understand how someone as smart as you can have these occasional eruptions of retarded hyperbole. When you do this, you sound no less hysterical than "the left" you make fun of.
If Cory Booker, Liz Warren, Mayor Pete, Kamala Harris, AOC, and other Democractic leaders have provided ranging degrees of support for court packing, I don't think you can claim it isn't a mainstream Democractic belief. Sure, it isn't the majority! Agreed. But also the majority isn't where the engery is. Reprations 4 years ago was a fringe fringe fringe position. It ain't anymore. One example does not prove a trend, but it is consistent with the trend.
One more thing -- court packing is the end of the constituional order (assuming you believe the constituional order includes Marbury v. Madison). Because court packing effectively eliminates judical review, which would eliminate separation of powers heavily blunting Art III. It would be nothing short of a diaster.
Question for you, Zeke: of all the candidates that the Dem primary electorate could have gone with, did it go with the most central candidate or not?
By mainstream, I mean Democratic voters. Republican loud mouths in office say crazy shit all the time and it does not get enacted—nor does the majority of Republican voters endorse it.
LOL at AOC representing the voice of most Dem voters.
There is no doubt that Democratic party RHETORIC has moved left. But you look at 2018: bunch of moderate Dems got elected to House. They aren't the court packing, reparations types. And now the Dem voter went with Biden, the most moderate. The Republican party, on the other hand, has gone off the fucking rails. Conservatism in the Reagan vein is dead. Lincoln Project, The Bulwark, Republican Voters Against Trump. THAT's conservatism.
You guys seem to think the craziest shit candidates say in primaries are things they would really do. This happens on both sides every election: Candidate X says crazy shit to excite base, wins nomination, immediately pivots. Except with Trump, but he's too incompetent to get any of it done and the Republican Senate is too smart to let him do the dumbest shit.
THE AMERICAN VOTER BY AND LARGE IS CENTRIST, EITHER LEFT OR RIGHT. That is what I believe.
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So what! The loudest voices in the Republican party are also raving lunatics! You think there's no cancel culture on the right? Must be why I can still pick up a copy of the Weekly Standard in the age of Trump. Get real. Trump is the Canceler in Chief!!!955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:09 pmWhile this may be true, where are the loud voices within the Democratic Party?Do you really not realize that you sometimes do what the right wing talking heads do? Namely, take the looney far left noise and portray it as if it represented the mainstream majority of Dem voters. The suburban and even urban Dem voter in Ohio does not want to defund police, pack the court, mandate that you buy an electric car, etc.
It certainly isn’t coming from what you refer to as “mainstream” Dems.
Loudest voices are currently the most radical and anyone who disagrees gets shouted down and/or cancelled.
Odd that the party that decries “fascism” the most certainly tries to emulate it by its actions.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
Of course the constitution doesn't mention the number of SCOTUS justices. But the point of expanding the court would be to make sure you put justices on it that rule the way you want it to rule. It eliminates the court as a independent body. It isn't just about "ain't broke, don't fix."
Biden won after a coordinated effort to get a few candidates to drop out right before Super Tuesday. Since then, Biden has ran way to the left. Maybe you believe that is a mirage (i.e., he will govern in the center if elected), but it also belies your notion of where the Democratic majority is located. Of course, you could argue that the center knows Biden will be...a centrist so he is trying to woo the base. But that isn't clear.
I think what politicians say matters; not because they necessarily will do it but because it gets to create an Overton window. The Overton window will inform what future politicians actually do. In addition, we might have a different idea about what is crazy (e.g., making capital gains taxable as ordinary income is crazy, Kafkaesque rules for adjudicating sexual assault, publicly making decisions in part based on race / gender)
Also please read what I say. No where did I suggest that AOC represents the voice of most Dem voters. In fact, I said the exact opposite. But you don't need to be the voice of the majority to have power. If you can speak for a 20% block, you have power. AOC is a leader of the Democrat party (she is not the leader).
Biden won after a coordinated effort to get a few candidates to drop out right before Super Tuesday. Since then, Biden has ran way to the left. Maybe you believe that is a mirage (i.e., he will govern in the center if elected), but it also belies your notion of where the Democratic majority is located. Of course, you could argue that the center knows Biden will be...a centrist so he is trying to woo the base. But that isn't clear.
I think what politicians say matters; not because they necessarily will do it but because it gets to create an Overton window. The Overton window will inform what future politicians actually do. In addition, we might have a different idea about what is crazy (e.g., making capital gains taxable as ordinary income is crazy, Kafkaesque rules for adjudicating sexual assault, publicly making decisions in part based on race / gender)
Also please read what I say. No where did I suggest that AOC represents the voice of most Dem voters. In fact, I said the exact opposite. But you don't need to be the voice of the majority to have power. If you can speak for a 20% block, you have power. AOC is a leader of the Democrat party (she is not the leader).
False equivalence. Major work places aren't requiring or suggesting employees read Black Redneck and White Liberals by Sowell; White Fragility on the other hand... Hell, my place of employ told me the books on "anti-racism" I should be reading my kids!Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:48 pmSo what! The loudest voices in the Republican party are also raving lunatics! You think there's no cancel culture on the right? Must be why I can still pick up a copy of the Weekly Standard in the age of Trump. Get real. Trump is the Canceler in Chief!!!955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:09 pmWhile this may be true, where are the loud voices within the Democratic Party?Do you really not realize that you sometimes do what the right wing talking heads do? Namely, take the looney far left noise and portray it as if it represented the mainstream majority of Dem voters. The suburban and even urban Dem voter in Ohio does not want to defund police, pack the court, mandate that you buy an electric car, etc.
It certainly isn’t coming from what you refer to as “mainstream” Dems.
Loudest voices are currently the most radical and anyone who disagrees gets shouted down and/or cancelled.
Odd that the party that decries “fascism” the most certainly tries to emulate it by its actions.
Yes, both sides engage in cancel culture (whatever that is). But one side is right now totalitarian in Arendt's meaning -- their beliefs must be everywhere (i.e., work, hobbies, sports, etc.). Much like Vaclav's grocer, you are required to shut up and (maybe) agree; even if you don't (actually believing isn't important; just that you bend the knee). Otherwise, you get fired.
I know you are going to blow this off, but corporation's are buying the left's diversity and inclusion (Orwellian at its finest) push. That seems perhaps more important compared to...the Weekly Standard because it is the personal. When you make politics the personal, you end up with a future Arendt writing about a terrible outcome.
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This is good stuff, Zeke. Biden does appear to be tacking left. But the guy has decades of centrist activity and instincts. He is not suddenly going to morph into Karl Marx. There might be some FDR action, minus attempting to pack the courts.zeke5123 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:00 pmOf course the constitution doesn't mention the number of SCOTUS justices. But the point of expanding the court would be to make sure you put justices on it that rule the way you want it to rule. It eliminates the court as a independent body. It isn't just about "ain't broke, don't fix."
Biden won after a coordinated effort to get a few candidates to drop out right before Super Tuesday. Since then, Biden has ran way to the left. Maybe you believe that is a mirage (i.e., he will govern in the center if elected), but it also belies your notion of where the Democratic majority is located. Of course, you could argue that the center knows Biden will be...a centrist so he is trying to woo the base. But that isn't clear.
I think what politicians say matters; not because they necessarily will do it but because it gets to create an Overton window. The Overton window will inform what future politicians actually do. In addition, we might have a different idea about what is crazy (e.g., making capital gains taxable as ordinary income is crazy, Kafkaesque rules for adjudicating sexual assault, publicly making decisions in part based on race / gender)
Also please read what I say. No where did I suggest that AOC represents the voice of most Dem voters. In fact, I said the exact opposite. But you don't need to be the voice of the majority to have power. If you can speak for a 20% block, you have power. AOC is a leader of the Democrat party (she is not the leader).
I fear radio and cable newsertainment blowhards have more influence than politicians and often influence what politicians say. And that is sad.
And remember: the Dems took back the House by electing moderates in moderate districts, not loudmouth lefties. The percentage of far lefties in the house is what compared to more center left folks? I see that and that Biden got the nomination as possible evidence that Democratic voters know what wins elections: you don't get on the crazy train. And if Biden wins the presidency, I sure hope the far left gets the message: you when with center left candidates who are willing to work with others. God help us (Democrats) if Biden loses.
I whole-heartedly agree with the Lincoln Project, though. I want to see the Republican Party burned to the ground. And I hope true conservatism rises from its ashes, not another populist cult of personality. We need the party of Romney and McCain. Not the risible boot licking shit show of the past 4 years.
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So now it’s a so what? A minute ago it was how moderate a majority of the dem party is. Now it’s a so what because of something you perceive from the right?
And are you really going by to associate the cancel culture with Trump?
Who on the right is trying to push forth such major transformative legislation such as green new deal, universal income, abolish police, open borders, healthcare & voting for people here illegally, free college for all, fines based on income, church is banned but mass protest is ok, taxpayer funded “shooting galleries” for drug users, etc etc etc.
I could go on there.
One of my personal favorites though is the complete unequal application of laws anymore.
No bail, it’s ok to steal and commit theft as long as it’s below $1,000, letting felons out of prison to “protect them from COVID” and on and on.
The best example of that unequal treatment under the law is the Kate Steinly case. Might be spelling last name wrong.
Girl walking down pier in San Francisco. Gets hit by “stray bullet” and is killed.
Person responsible had 7 previous felony convictions and who had also been previously deported 5 times. He claims he found the firearm wrapped up in a towel and that it “accidentally” went off.
And he gets acquitted of charges. Not even an involuntary manslaughter charge would stick in the highly liberal SF courts.
And here is the thing with that. I know if that situation changes just a bit the outcome is different.
I actually have my concealed carry permit. Can guarantee if I was carrying (legally) and somehow dropped my weapon and “accidentally” squeezed off a round that killed someone while I was picking it up I would not be afforded the same leniency. No way no how.
SF has even tried to ban hollow point ammo in order to “protect its citizens”.
Backwards logic and application of the law that protects those here illegally vs actual tax paying natural born citizens.
I wonder if I can “accidentally” kill a citizen of Mexico while there on vacation and be able to get off.
And are you really going by to associate the cancel culture with Trump?
Who on the right is trying to push forth such major transformative legislation such as green new deal, universal income, abolish police, open borders, healthcare & voting for people here illegally, free college for all, fines based on income, church is banned but mass protest is ok, taxpayer funded “shooting galleries” for drug users, etc etc etc.
I could go on there.
One of my personal favorites though is the complete unequal application of laws anymore.
No bail, it’s ok to steal and commit theft as long as it’s below $1,000, letting felons out of prison to “protect them from COVID” and on and on.
The best example of that unequal treatment under the law is the Kate Steinly case. Might be spelling last name wrong.
Girl walking down pier in San Francisco. Gets hit by “stray bullet” and is killed.
Person responsible had 7 previous felony convictions and who had also been previously deported 5 times. He claims he found the firearm wrapped up in a towel and that it “accidentally” went off.
And he gets acquitted of charges. Not even an involuntary manslaughter charge would stick in the highly liberal SF courts.
And here is the thing with that. I know if that situation changes just a bit the outcome is different.
I actually have my concealed carry permit. Can guarantee if I was carrying (legally) and somehow dropped my weapon and “accidentally” squeezed off a round that killed someone while I was picking it up I would not be afforded the same leniency. No way no how.
SF has even tried to ban hollow point ammo in order to “protect its citizens”.
Backwards logic and application of the law that protects those here illegally vs actual tax paying natural born citizens.
I wonder if I can “accidentally” kill a citizen of Mexico while there on vacation and be able to get off.
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I will not blow it off and I think cancel culture is real and it's a cancer. I just deny that it only exists on the left. The fact that HR depts are going in for lefty cancelation instead of right is a question of influence. You think Trump's fealty tests aren't totalitarian?zeke5123 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:07 pmFalse equivalence. Major work places aren't requiring or suggesting employees read Black Redneck and White Liberals by Sowell; White Fragility on the other hand... Hell, my place of employ told me the books on "anti-racism" I should be reading my kids!Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:48 pmSo what! The loudest voices in the Republican party are also raving lunatics! You think there's no cancel culture on the right? Must be why I can still pick up a copy of the Weekly Standard in the age of Trump. Get real. Trump is the Canceler in Chief!!!955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:09 pm
While this may be true, where are the loud voices within the Democratic Party?
It certainly isn’t coming from what you refer to as “mainstream” Dems.
Loudest voices are currently the most radical and anyone who disagrees gets shouted down and/or cancelled.
Odd that the party that decries “fascism” the most certainly tries to emulate it by its actions.
Yes, both sides engage in cancel culture (whatever that is). But one side is right now totalitarian in Arendt's meaning -- their beliefs must be everywhere (i.e., work, hobbies, sports, etc.). Much like Vaclav's grocer, you are required to shut up and (maybe) agree; even if you don't (actually believing isn't important; just that you bend the knee). Otherwise, you get fired.
I know you are going to blow this off, but corporation's are buying the left's diversity and inclusion (Orwellian at its finest) push. That seems perhaps more important compared to...the Weekly Standard because it is the personal. When you make politics the personal, you end up with a future Arendt writing about a terrible outcome.
I teach at a small, private uni. Corporate HR depts are more left than we are! This is another reason why Biden had better get elected. He resists the craziest shit on the left. And because he is not a divisive asshole, he will give the authoritarian left less to bitch and moan about. Take the steam out.
No, I totally agree with you. The left had better wake up and nip this cancel culture business in the bud—because this would be a cultural revolution that would devour all its children.
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Dude, if you can't see cancel culture on the right, you're blind. Not going to get in a titty fight with you about it, especially when I whole-heartedly condemn it on the left. It's a disease.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:22 pmSo now it’s a so what? A minute ago it was how moderate a majority of the dem party is. Now it’s a so what because of something you perceive from the right?
And are you really going by to associate the cancel culture with Trump?
Who on the right is trying to push forth such major transformative legislation such as green new deal, universal income, abolish police, open borders, healthcare & voting for people here illegally, free college for all, fines based on income, church is banned but mass protest is ok, taxpayer funded “shooting galleries” for drug users, etc etc etc.
I could go on there.
One of my personal favorites though is the complete unequal application of laws anymore.
No bail, it’s ok to steal and commit theft as long as it’s below $1,000, letting felons out of prison to “protect them from COVID” and on and on.
The best example of that unequal treatment under the law is the Kate Steinly case. Might be spelling last name wrong.
Girl walking down pier in San Francisco. Gets hit by “stray bullet” and is killed.
Person responsible had 7 previous felony convictions and who had also been previously deported 5 times. He claims he found the firearm wrapped up in a towel and that it “accidentally” went off.
And he gets acquitted of charges. Not even an involuntary manslaughter charge would stick in the highly liberal SF courts.
And here is the thing with that. I know if that situation changes just a bit the outcome is different.
I actually have my concealed carry permit. Can guarantee if I was carrying (legally) and somehow dropped my weapon and “accidentally” squeezed off a round that killed someone while I was picking it up I would not be afforded the same leniency. No way no how.
SF has even tried to ban hollow point ammo in order to “protect its citizens”.
Odd backyards logic and application of the law.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
Ummm if you say so. I’d really hope that you are correct.This is another reason why Biden had better get elected. He resists the craziest shit on the left.
Much more plausible outcome is those with the loudest and most radical voices on the left will all be getting promotions and will be put in charge of very important things should Biden get elected.
What’s the man done in his 40 years in government?
He’s going to start working hard now?
No, he’s going to get out of the way while serving as the figurehead.
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Can you kindly offer me 2-3 solid and tangible examples?Dude, if you can't see cancel culture on the right, you're blind.
I’m an open minded guy and don’t blindly follow anything.
Not saying there’re is no cancel culture in the right bit at present it seems to be a mountain vs a mole hill.
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My point is that the Left will get the WRONG message if Biden loses. It will say, SEE! Moderates don't win! We need to elect crazies! It's ok to agree sometimes, 95. You don't have to disagree with everything I say on principle. I'm a center left person. I read conservative and listen to conservative arguments. I am not repulsed by them.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:31 pmUmmm if you say so. I’d really hope that you are correct.This is another reason why Biden had better get elected. He resists the craziest shit on the left.
Much more plausible outcome is those with the loudest and most radical voices on the left will all be getting promotions and will be put in charge of very important things should Biden get elected.
What’s the man done in his 40 years in government?
He’s going to start working hard now?
No, he’s going to get out of the way while serving as the figurehead.
My hope with Biden is sanity and attention to policy instead of culture war BS. He resisted the dumb rhetoric of defunding police. He has noted that he would protect statues of Columbus and Washington, etc. And while you may be unimpressed with his accomplishments, he has a long history of actually working with Republicans. Governance! What a radical concept!
When you speak of Biden like you do, you sound like you just got done listening to a right wing radio show.
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Do you not follow primary politics of your own party? I'm not indulging this any more.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:36 pmCan you kindly offer me 2-3 solid and tangible examples?Dude, if you can't see cancel culture on the right, you're blind.
I’m an open minded guy and don’t blindly follow anything.
Not saying there’re is no cancel culture in the right bit at present it seems to be a mountain vs a mole hill.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
Why? I’m not arguing with you Lit and genuinely asking.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:39 pmDo you not follow primary politics of your own party? I'm not indulging this any more.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:36 pmCan you kindly offer me 2-3 solid and tangible examples?Dude, if you can't see cancel culture on the right, you're blind.
I’m an open minded guy and don’t blindly follow anything.
Not saying there’re is no cancel culture in the right bit at present it seems to be a mountain vs a mole hill.
Certainly there is a some “low hanging fruit” that would easily be cited as examples of cancel culture on the right.
There are multiples of that coming from the left right now.
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You are wrong if you think I disagree with everything you say. I don’t.My point is that the Left will get the WRONG message if Biden loses. It will say, SEE! Moderates don't win! We need to elect crazies! It's ok to agree sometimes, 95. You don't have to disagree with everything I say on principle. I'm a center left person. I read conservative and listen to conservative arguments. I am not repulsed by them.
Not even close.
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Fair, fair. I'll step back from the about to become a dick cliff ledge.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:47 pmYou are wrong if you think I disagree with everything you say. I don’t.My point is that the Left will get the WRONG message if Biden loses. It will say, SEE! Moderates don't win! We need to elect crazies! It's ok to agree sometimes, 95. You don't have to disagree with everything I say on principle. I'm a center left person. I read conservative and listen to conservative arguments. I am not repulsed by them.
Not even close.
The cancel culture on the right is the silencing of any voices that criticize Trump. The right has its own twitter mobs. The culture on the left is much more insidious because HR depts are adopting it—and what is even worse, HR depts are adopting academic language to do so. Gross.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
I actually don’t listen to any of that sooooWhen you speak of Biden like you do, you sound like you just got done listening to a right wing radio show.
I see the guy as someone who has done more to enrich himself, family and associates via politics than anything else.
40 plus years in the Senate?
So he’s voted on some legislation over the years.
He’s a weak candidate that is nothing more than a multiple decades DC insider.
The irony of a Joe Biden is he can stand at a podium and tell you all the woes in America that he is going to fix if elected as if he hasn’t been a member of the Senate for 40+ years already.
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I have a different take. If Person A has 10K in credit card debt and Person B 100K in credit card debt, then both have a debt problem. Doesn't mean one isn't worse comapred to the other. We should condemn both and when the right wing is doing it I am right there with you. But it is more omnipresent on the left right now.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:27 pmI will not blow it off and I think cancel culture is real and it's a cancer. I just deny that it only exists on the left. The fact that HR depts are going in for lefty cancelation instead of right is a question of influence. You think Trump's fealty tests aren't totalitarian?zeke5123 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:07 pmFalse equivalence. Major work places aren't requiring or suggesting employees read Black Redneck and White Liberals by Sowell; White Fragility on the other hand... Hell, my place of employ told me the books on "anti-racism" I should be reading my kids!Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:48 pm
So what! The loudest voices in the Republican party are also raving lunatics! You think there's no cancel culture on the right? Must be why I can still pick up a copy of the Weekly Standard in the age of Trump. Get real. Trump is the Canceler in Chief!!!
Yes, both sides engage in cancel culture (whatever that is). But one side is right now totalitarian in Arendt's meaning -- their beliefs must be everywhere (i.e., work, hobbies, sports, etc.). Much like Vaclav's grocer, you are required to shut up and (maybe) agree; even if you don't (actually believing isn't important; just that you bend the knee). Otherwise, you get fired.
I know you are going to blow this off, but corporation's are buying the left's diversity and inclusion (Orwellian at its finest) push. That seems perhaps more important compared to...the Weekly Standard because it is the personal. When you make politics the personal, you end up with a future Arendt writing about a terrible outcome.
I teach at a small, private uni. Corporate HR depts are more left than we are! This is another reason why Biden had better get elected. He resists the craziest shit on the left. And because he is not a divisive asshole, he will give the authoritarian left less to bitch and moan about. Take the steam out.
No, I totally agree with you. The left had better wake up and nip this cancel culture business in the bud—because this would be a cultural revolution that would devour all its children.
THe President's loyalty oaths aren't totalitarian in my understanding; they are autocratic. That is, they are bad but in an important different way. The autocrat is happy with most people doing their thing generally as long as he has power. But the totalitarian isn't satisfied with you merely letting him or her rule; all aspects of your life must be ordered by his or her wishes. The difference reminds me of a CS Lewis quote. He said:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Both are bad; I think one is worse than the other.
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Call it what you wish to call it, but the silencing or exclusion of voices on the right has led to Trumpism—and it has put genuine conservatism as a force in American politics on life support. I think that's pretty awful for our polity.zeke5123 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:12 pmI have a different take. If Person A has 10K in credit card debt and Person B 100K in credit card debt, then both have a debt problem. Doesn't mean one isn't worse comapred to the other. We should condemn both and when the right wing is doing it I am right there with you. But it is more omnipresent on the left right now.Professor Half Wit wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:27 pmI will not blow it off and I think cancel culture is real and it's a cancer. I just deny that it only exists on the left. The fact that HR depts are going in for lefty cancelation instead of right is a question of influence. You think Trump's fealty tests aren't totalitarian?zeke5123 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:07 pm
False equivalence. Major work places aren't requiring or suggesting employees read Black Redneck and White Liberals by Sowell; White Fragility on the other hand... Hell, my place of employ told me the books on "anti-racism" I should be reading my kids!
Yes, both sides engage in cancel culture (whatever that is). But one side is right now totalitarian in Arendt's meaning -- their beliefs must be everywhere (i.e., work, hobbies, sports, etc.). Much like Vaclav's grocer, you are required to shut up and (maybe) agree; even if you don't (actually believing isn't important; just that you bend the knee). Otherwise, you get fired.
I know you are going to blow this off, but corporation's are buying the left's diversity and inclusion (Orwellian at its finest) push. That seems perhaps more important compared to...the Weekly Standard because it is the personal. When you make politics the personal, you end up with a future Arendt writing about a terrible outcome.
I teach at a small, private uni. Corporate HR depts are more left than we are! This is another reason why Biden had better get elected. He resists the craziest shit on the left. And because he is not a divisive asshole, he will give the authoritarian left less to bitch and moan about. Take the steam out.
No, I totally agree with you. The left had better wake up and nip this cancel culture business in the bud—because this would be a cultural revolution that would devour all its children.
THe President's loyalty oaths aren't totalitarian in my understanding; they are autocratic. That is, they are bad but in an important different way. The autocrat is happy with most people doing their thing generally as long as he has power. But the totalitarian isn't satisfied with you merely letting him or her rule; all aspects of your life must be ordered by his or her wishes. The difference reminds me of a CS Lewis quote. He said:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Both are bad; I think one is worse than the other.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
It really seems many on the left want to do things simply to give the impression they are doing something.
Random example but since I previously brought up the Kate Steinle killing in SF I’ll stick with SF.
San Francisco has banned hollow point ammo. The sale of hollow point ammo is illegal within the city and given that it really muddies the water in terms of actually putting hollow points into the gun.
Who is this protecting? How can presumably intelligent people sit around and actually cone to these conclusions?
So if I follow, it’s ok in SF to use a firearm in self defense but not one loaded with hollow points.
Ok, but hollow points are proven to stop a threat faster. Hollow points are also proven to be MUCH MUCH less likely to over penetrate and hit a bystander.
Who do laws such as this protect but the criminal?
It’s also legal in SF to smash a persons window in and steal whatever you want. Police won’t bother with it as long as the value is less than $1,000
“Petty” theft is now a major way of life for many of the “residents” wandering the city.
Random example but since I previously brought up the Kate Steinle killing in SF I’ll stick with SF.
San Francisco has banned hollow point ammo. The sale of hollow point ammo is illegal within the city and given that it really muddies the water in terms of actually putting hollow points into the gun.
Who is this protecting? How can presumably intelligent people sit around and actually cone to these conclusions?
So if I follow, it’s ok in SF to use a firearm in self defense but not one loaded with hollow points.
Ok, but hollow points are proven to stop a threat faster. Hollow points are also proven to be MUCH MUCH less likely to over penetrate and hit a bystander.
Who do laws such as this protect but the criminal?
It’s also legal in SF to smash a persons window in and steal whatever you want. Police won’t bother with it as long as the value is less than $1,000
“Petty” theft is now a major way of life for many of the “residents” wandering the city.
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Maybe if a conservative speaker was allowed to set foot on a college campus things wouldn’t be as much the way they are.and it has put genuine conservatism as a force in American politics on life support.
Yet another example of the cancel culture.
Any examples of a university shutting down a liberal speaker?
Do conservative college students not have a right to ever have a speaker they want to listen to on campus?
These students ONLY allowed to hear liberal views.
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We bring in conservative speakers to our lecture series. But, yeah, it's a problem. And look to spineless administrators who allow it. I would caution you: what makes the news is not allowing speakers on campus. Allowing them does not make the news.955876 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:05 pmMaybe if a conservative speaker was allowed to set foot on a college campus things wouldn’t be as much the way they are.and it has put genuine conservatism as a force in American politics on life support.
Yet another example of the cancel culture.
Any examples of a university shutting down a liberal speaker?
Do conservative college students not have a right to ever have a speaker they want to listen to on campus?
These students ONLY allowed to hear liberal views.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.
Good point. Thank you.We bring in conservative speakers to our lecture series. But, yeah, it's a problem. And look to spineless administrators who allow it. I would caution you: what makes the news is not allowing speakers on campus. Allowing them does not make the news.
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I like to know, from conservatives, what conservatism is. I'd also like to know what conservatives think liberalism is. And I don't mean the extreme versions of either.
Conversely, I'd ask the same question to liberals as well. What liberalism is, and what they think conservatism is.
Starting from a base point would be beneficial. But my observation is that conservatives are much more vocal on this forum than liberals, so I don't expect much of an answer on the latter.
Conversely, I'd ask the same question to liberals as well. What liberalism is, and what they think conservatism is.
Starting from a base point would be beneficial. But my observation is that conservatives are much more vocal on this forum than liberals, so I don't expect much of an answer on the latter.
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
One thing I can tell you with all certainty is that today’s liberalism is FAR from what it was in the past.
Pull up some speeches, state of the union addresses etc of the late JFK.
They sound awfully close to what you’d hear from say a Ronald Reagan or even a Donald Trump when speaking of such things as taxation, individual liberty, roll of government.
The liberal party today is nothing like it was.
To me it comes down to policy and control. Which side wants greater control over my life, choices, and money??
Which side is pushing policy that i feel is in my best interest.
What does each want to do with my tax dollars?
I live in CA and pay high state taxes. I don’t like that my tax dollars go to fund people that are here illegally. I don’t like CA allowing people here illegally and then pulling from my pocket to cover it.
I dont like CA liberals not charging a 7 time felon and 5 times deported illegal with AT LEAST involuntary manslaughter for killing that poor girl walking with her father that day.
I don’t like how the voters of CA have made this a death penalty state but via executive action and swipe of a pen the governor closed all execution chambers.
That isn’t governing in accordance with the will of the people.
I don’t like how the liberal politicians in this state steal money from me to fund a “bullet train” and when the project falls many many years and billions of dollars off budget they cone and say oh we are changing what we are going do despite what we duped people into voting for on the ballot.
Now we are still going to take your money but the train is just going to run from Merced to Bakersfield.
Ummmm what? Who the fuck needs a bullet train to get from Merced to Bakersfield? It’s literally like the least congested and easily traveled stretch of highway in the state.
and there isn’t much in either of those places. So once there then what?
Big f-ing waste of my taxpayer dollars.
I know hat wasn’t specifically what you asked for but that’s some of what I see from my liberal politicians
Pull up some speeches, state of the union addresses etc of the late JFK.
They sound awfully close to what you’d hear from say a Ronald Reagan or even a Donald Trump when speaking of such things as taxation, individual liberty, roll of government.
The liberal party today is nothing like it was.
To me it comes down to policy and control. Which side wants greater control over my life, choices, and money??
Which side is pushing policy that i feel is in my best interest.
What does each want to do with my tax dollars?
I live in CA and pay high state taxes. I don’t like that my tax dollars go to fund people that are here illegally. I don’t like CA allowing people here illegally and then pulling from my pocket to cover it.
I dont like CA liberals not charging a 7 time felon and 5 times deported illegal with AT LEAST involuntary manslaughter for killing that poor girl walking with her father that day.
I don’t like how the voters of CA have made this a death penalty state but via executive action and swipe of a pen the governor closed all execution chambers.
That isn’t governing in accordance with the will of the people.
I don’t like how the liberal politicians in this state steal money from me to fund a “bullet train” and when the project falls many many years and billions of dollars off budget they cone and say oh we are changing what we are going do despite what we duped people into voting for on the ballot.
Now we are still going to take your money but the train is just going to run from Merced to Bakersfield.
Ummmm what? Who the fuck needs a bullet train to get from Merced to Bakersfield? It’s literally like the least congested and easily traveled stretch of highway in the state.
and there isn’t much in either of those places. So once there then what?
Big f-ing waste of my taxpayer dollars.
I know hat wasn’t specifically what you asked for but that’s some of what I see from my liberal politicians
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I think that is simply your opinion.But my observation is that conservatives are much more vocal on this forum than liberals, so I don't expect much of an answer on the latter.
I’ve felt the opposite. Many many times threads are dominated by those with left leaning views.
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