Our injury issues are insane. Every year we can't stay healthy.
But let's hope Revis is out w his hammy....or that he plays and he is not 100%.
Decker could be out as well w rotator cuff injury.
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Our D needs to focus on shutting down a less than 100% WR in B. Marshall, a rising WR in Q. Enunwa, a good 3rd down back in B. Powell and a slowed M. Forte, that's it. We should be able to keep them under 17, I would think. Their front four D is elite, but their back seven is pretty weak and very beatable. Lots of 2 TE sets for blocking help and let Bell, Brown, Coates and Wheaton eat in the intermediate-to-long routes. Lots of max protect and let B,B,C & W do their thing and we should have no problem.
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It's a shame Hawkins was IR'd. What other options do they really have? They'll roll with Hubbard if Gilbert can't go. I doubt the promote Feiler from the practice squad. Unless they believe he's ready and Gilbert will not be out for long. The Jets DLine is nothing to shrug off. They will hurt Ben. Best hope is for Gilbert to be healthy enough to play.
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If it's Hubbard we will lose a receiving option cause a TE will have to stay in and block.
I don't want them to do anything rash in terms of Rosie Nix, Senquez Golson or Cody Wallace. You place any of those players on IR to make room for some free agent tackle, or somebody off the practice squad, then they are most likely done for the year because you can only call back one player and that has to be Bud Dupree.
I would cut Steven Johnson because you still have Timmons, Williams, Fort and Matakevich if you need to bring some tackle in for depth.
You don't want to place Cody Wallace on IR because hopefully he makes it back and we may need him down the stretch, he is a proven player with starting experience at center.
You don't want to place Golson on IR because, just as the rash of injuries at OL, you could have one at CB too.
You don't want to place Nix on IR because he is a Pro Bowl caliber special teams player and an emerging blocker at fullback.
Steven Johnson is the right call, or hell even someone like LT Walton. Either can be signed back when the crisis is over and things get back to normal.
I would cut Steven Johnson because you still have Timmons, Williams, Fort and Matakevich if you need to bring some tackle in for depth.
You don't want to place Cody Wallace on IR because hopefully he makes it back and we may need him down the stretch, he is a proven player with starting experience at center.
You don't want to place Golson on IR because, just as the rash of injuries at OL, you could have one at CB too.
You don't want to place Nix on IR because he is a Pro Bowl caliber special teams player and an emerging blocker at fullback.
Steven Johnson is the right call, or hell even someone like LT Walton. Either can be signed back when the crisis is over and things get back to normal.
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When the 4 teams in the conference Championship games look into their rear view mirror they see pivots and vitals that helped get them there. Harris, maybe Foster will play Sunday.
Scunge wrote:I don't want them to do anything rash in terms of Rosie Nix, Senquez Golson or Cody Wallace. You place any of those players on IR to make room for some free agent tackle, or somebody off the practice squad, then they are most likely done for the year because you can only call back one player and that has to be Bud Dupree.
I would cut Steven Johnson because you still have Timmons, Williams, Fort and Matakevich if you need to bring some tackle in for depth.
You don't want to place Cody Wallace on IR because hopefully he makes it back and we may need him down the stretch, he is a proven player with starting experience at center.
You don't want to place Golson on IR because, just as the rash of injuries at OL, you could have one at CB too.
You don't want to place Nix on IR because he is a Pro Bowl caliber special teams player and an emerging blocker at fullback.
Steven Johnson is the right call, or hell even someone like LT Walton. Either can be signed back when the crisis is over and things get back to normal.
They are certainly in the #50-53 players on the roster and both candidates.
I would go with Johnson first since there is more depth at ILB than there is at defensive line.
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Scunge wrote:I don't want them to do anything rash in terms of Rosie Nix, Senquez Golson or Cody Wallace. You place any of those players on IR to make room for some free agent tackle, or somebody off the practice squad, then they are most likely done for the year because you can only call back one player and that has to be Bud Dupree.
I would cut Steven Johnson because you still have Timmons, Williams, Fort and Matakevich if you need to bring some tackle in for depth.
You don't want to place Cody Wallace on IR because hopefully he makes it back and we may need him down the stretch, he is a proven player with starting experience at center.
You don't want to place Golson on IR because, just as the rash of injuries at OL, you could have one at CB too.
You don't want to place Nix on IR because he is a Pro Bowl caliber special teams player and an emerging blocker at fullback.
Steven Johnson is the right call, or hell even someone like LT Walton. Either can be signed back when the crisis is over and things get back to normal.
I think Fitzgerald Toussaint is the right guy for a temporary cut. It would be easier if Nix could dress, because he could be your emergency RB. Johnson is making a lot of plays on STs, so I hesitate to cut him-- he's a vet that will attract some interest. I might cut Shamarko Thomas before Johnson, but what do I know?
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that's what I heard
Wow...that seems uh quite significant
aka bad bruise.
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CB Justin Gilbert carted off field during Wednesday's practice with a Knee Injury.
Waiting on MRI.
This is really getting ridiculous with the injuries.
Waiting on MRI.
This is really getting ridiculous with the injuries.
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The gilbert thing didn't sound good-- carted off. On the other hand, he was listed as a limited participant, so not sure how to interpret that.
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Gilbert going down in practice this week is why I don't want them to just put Golson on IR. You never know what might happen in the next 12 games.
Johnson made one good tackle on that kick return and people are ready to proclaim him a great special teams player. Look on that play and Dirty Red was the first to make contact with the return man and got him moving sideways, slowing him down so that Johnson could clean it up and bring him down.
Shmarko Thomas can play all the different phases of special teams. He is our best gunner. On punt returns he is the first man down there pressuring the return man to make a fair catch. Steven Johnson can't do that and we have Dirty Red and Fort who can play special teams and they have snaps on defense, something Johnson still does not have, one snap on defense. He is the logical choice to be cut.
Johnson made one good tackle on that kick return and people are ready to proclaim him a great special teams player. Look on that play and Dirty Red was the first to make contact with the return man and got him moving sideways, slowing him down so that Johnson could clean it up and bring him down.
Shmarko Thomas can play all the different phases of special teams. He is our best gunner. On punt returns he is the first man down there pressuring the return man to make a fair catch. Steven Johnson can't do that and we have Dirty Red and Fort who can play special teams and they have snaps on defense, something Johnson still does not have, one snap on defense. He is the logical choice to be cut.
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I really expect nothing from Golson this year. He's had very little practice time. He's had Exactly Zero snaps in any game including preseason. Even if he could practice, It's hard to imagine him at full speed, and full health.
Hopefully Justin Gilbert is OK, he had things going in the right direction.
Hopefully Justin Gilbert is OK, he had things going in the right direction.
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I'm not saying Steven Johnson is a star or irreplaceable. Scunge, the words you were looking for to describe Matakevich were "missed tackle".
Personally I think Johnson is the 53rd guy but you never know what they are hibkj g and it wouldn't shock me if Matakevich or Thomas-- two other third stringers who are core STe guys-- were in that discussion, too.
Personally I think Johnson is the 53rd guy but you never know what they are hibkj g and it wouldn't shock me if Matakevich or Thomas-- two other third stringers who are core STe guys-- were in that discussion, too.
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And thinking about this more deeply, look at each position group:
1. Mettemberger. Unlikely since there was interest for him and the future backup slot is not locked up.
2. Toussaint. Risky to go with only 2 RBs and no FB
3. Hubbard. OL injuries leave too many questions
4. DJohnson. Big contributor in run game.
5. DHB. Big contributor.
6. LT Walton. A possibility but the position is also thin.
7. Steven Johnson or Matakevich. Johnson is probably first out but he's also a st guy with defensive snaps experience. Red probably safer because he has more upside.
8. Chickillo. Complicated by his injury, also, thin at his position.
9. Shamarko. Last guy on the DB depth chart-- strictly STs. The gilbert injury puts him back in play... he'd be the slot CB after Gay and Davis.
10. IR for Wallace (position thin)
11. IR for Golson (position very thin)
12. IR for Nix. Not out of the question but he was a very good player last year.
1. Mettemberger. Unlikely since there was interest for him and the future backup slot is not locked up.
2. Toussaint. Risky to go with only 2 RBs and no FB
3. Hubbard. OL injuries leave too many questions
4. DJohnson. Big contributor in run game.
5. DHB. Big contributor.
6. LT Walton. A possibility but the position is also thin.
7. Steven Johnson or Matakevich. Johnson is probably first out but he's also a st guy with defensive snaps experience. Red probably safer because he has more upside.
8. Chickillo. Complicated by his injury, also, thin at his position.
9. Shamarko. Last guy on the DB depth chart-- strictly STs. The gilbert injury puts him back in play... he'd be the slot CB after Gay and Davis.
10. IR for Wallace (position thin)
11. IR for Golson (position very thin)
12. IR for Nix. Not out of the question but he was a very good player last year.
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Well, I don't know if I would call it a missed tackle, per se, special teams is a whole different animal.
Blocking, tackling, it is all a bit different on special teams. You have 11 players on that coverage unit all going down full tilt but there is a method to the madness. Some may say Dirty Red missed that tackle but the return man had to stop his forward progress and then was turned and moving east to west, laterally, not up the field. Johnson came through and made the tackle. Danny Smith probably was happy with both Red and Johnson on that play. Also, on that play there was a Steeler who probably sacrificed his body against the two man wedge of KC. For all the talk of Red being slow, I found it interesting that he was the first man down there and made contact and slowed the return man. A missed tackle to me implies that he totally whiffed and that the return man just sped right by. Others can disagree, but it is for me, sort of how an OLB can have contain on the edge and will hold up blockers and force the runner back to the inside where there are tacklers waiting. To me, Red on that play did much the same thing, the runner slowed and was forced to run laterally and into the rest of the coverage unit.
Back in 2009?, they reduced the wedge to just two players, previous to that some teams would use 3 and 4 man wedges to try and make a plow to punch a hole for the kick returner. Anyway, a lot of different tactics and change over the past 6-7 years.
Blocking, tackling, it is all a bit different on special teams. You have 11 players on that coverage unit all going down full tilt but there is a method to the madness. Some may say Dirty Red missed that tackle but the return man had to stop his forward progress and then was turned and moving east to west, laterally, not up the field. Johnson came through and made the tackle. Danny Smith probably was happy with both Red and Johnson on that play. Also, on that play there was a Steeler who probably sacrificed his body against the two man wedge of KC. For all the talk of Red being slow, I found it interesting that he was the first man down there and made contact and slowed the return man. A missed tackle to me implies that he totally whiffed and that the return man just sped right by. Others can disagree, but it is for me, sort of how an OLB can have contain on the edge and will hold up blockers and force the runner back to the inside where there are tacklers waiting. To me, Red on that play did much the same thing, the runner slowed and was forced to run laterally and into the rest of the coverage unit.
Back in 2009?, they reduced the wedge to just two players, previous to that some teams would use 3 and 4 man wedges to try and make a plow to punch a hole for the kick returner. Anyway, a lot of different tactics and change over the past 6-7 years.
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Scunge wrote:Well, I don't know if I would call it a missed tackle, per se, special teams is a whole different animal.
Blocking, tackling, it is all a bit different on special teams. You have 11 players on that coverage unit all going down full tilt but there is a method to the madness. Some may say Dirty Red missed that tackle but the return man had to stop his forward progress and then was turned and moving east to west, laterally, not up the field. Johnson came through and made the tackle. Danny Smith probably was happy with both Red and Johnson on that play. Also, on that play there was a Steeler who probably sacrificed his body against the two man wedge of KC. For all the talk of Red being slow, I found it interesting that he was the first man down there and made contact and slowed the return man. A missed tackle to me implies that he totally whiffed and that the return man just sped right by. Others can disagree, but it is for me, sort of how an OLB can have contain on the edge and will hold up blockers and force the runner back to the inside where there are tacklers waiting. To me, Red on that play did much the same thing, the runner slowed and was forced to run laterally and into the rest of the coverage unit.
Back in 2009?, they reduced the wedge to just two players, previous to that some teams would use 3 and 4 man wedges to try and make a plow to punch a hole for the kick returner. Anyway, a lot of different tactics and change over the past 6-7 years.
He doesn't look slow going downhill. Changing directions maybe a little. I don't mean to imply TM hasn't contributed-- just tempering the enthusiasm to realistic levels. Anyway, if he can be the new Vince Williams someday, that would be a huge win.
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Scunge wrote:Well, I don't know if I would call it a missed tackle, per se, special teams is a whole different animal.
Blocking, tackling, it is all a bit different on special teams. You have 11 players on that coverage unit all going down full tilt but there is a method to the madness. Some may say Dirty Red missed that tackle but the return man had to stop his forward progress and then was turned and moving east to west, laterally, not up the field. Johnson came through and made the tackle. Danny Smith probably was happy with both Red and Johnson on that play. Also, on that play there was a Steeler who probably sacrificed his body against the two man wedge of KC. For all the talk of Red being slow, I found it interesting that he was the first man down there and made contact and slowed the return man. A missed tackle to me implies that he totally whiffed and that the return man just sped right by. Others can disagree, but it is for me, sort of how an OLB can have contain on the edge and will hold up blockers and force the runner back to the inside where there are tacklers waiting. To me, Red on that play did much the same thing, the runner slowed and was forced to run laterally and into the rest of the coverage unit.
Back in 2009?, they reduced the wedge to just two players, previous to that some teams would use 3 and 4 man wedges to try and make a plow to punch a hole for the kick returner. Anyway, a lot of different tactics and change over the past 6-7 years.
Scunge, I agree. On the plays TM has been involved in it may not always (if rarely) be pretty , but he seems to have a positive effect on them. As they say, style points don't matter. I think he continues to grow (some physically and more mentally) and becomes that player that brings many more positive plays than negative ones to the team. Will be ever be all-pro? Seriously doubt it, but I don't think anyone ever expected him to be (except maybe himself).
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Shazier out with a knee again?
I saw an ESPN report saying no structural damage (which is good), but he's just not ready yet (which is.. dafuq?)
I saw an ESPN report saying no structural damage (which is good), but he's just not ready yet (which is.. dafuq?)
the-other-burg wrote:Shazier out with a knee again?
This is going to be a "Tom Brady shoulder" type thing with Shazier.
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Oct. 9th...
1pm cbs
1pm cbs
Announcers: Ian Eagle and Dan Fouts
Referee: John Parry
Partly cloudy, autumnal, temps in low 60s.
New York Jets offense: 19th passing, 11th rushing, 22nd ppg
Pittsburgh defense: 30th passing, 4th rushing, 11th ppg
Pittsburgh offense: 12th passing, 13th rushing, 7th ppg
New York Jets defense: 26th passing, 2nd rushing, 21st ppg
Sacks: New York Jets 6th (11); Pittsburgh 28th (5)
Sacks allowed: New York Jets 4th (6), Pittsburgh 12th (8)
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those rankings are bullshit. Going by yardage is just dumb.
DVOA
PIT Defense 18th overall, 17 pass, 8th run
NYJ Offense: 29th overall, 32nd pass, 7th run
PIT Offense: 5th overall, 8th pass, 6th run
NYJ Defense: 28th overall, 31st pass, 3rd run
Overall
PIT 5th in the NFL: 19.3% better than average NFL team
NYJ 32nd: 31.1% worse than average NFL team, or
DVOA
PIT Defense 18th overall, 17 pass, 8th run
NYJ Offense: 29th overall, 32nd pass, 7th run
PIT Offense: 5th overall, 8th pass, 6th run
NYJ Defense: 28th overall, 31st pass, 3rd run
Overall
PIT 5th in the NFL: 19.3% better than average NFL team
NYJ 32nd: 31.1% worse than average NFL team, or
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block block block = throw throw throw
Bell might have 10 catches tomorrow
Bell might have 10 catches tomorrow
These are the rankings that I CARE about:
Steelers defense has given up a passer rating of 87.8, which is 14th in the NFL.
Jets defense has given up a passer rating of 116.5, which is 31st in the NFL.
Steelers D has given up just 2 pass plays over 40+ yards. Tied for 10th fewest.
Jet D has given up 7 pass plays over 40+ yards. Worst in the NFL, 32nd in the NFL
People are criticizing that our Defense is giving up too high a completion percentage. Is 64% too high? That is tied for 18th in the NFL.
The Jets D? They are allowing 71.4% of passes to be completed, again, dead last in the NFL, 32nd overall.
Steeler D is allowing a first down percentage of 33% which is tied for 11th fewest in the NFL.
Jets D is allowing 39%, which is tied for 26th.
Steelers D is allowing just 7.2 yards per pass attempt, good for 16th.
Jets D is allowing a mind boggling 9.7 yards per pass attempt which is 32nd.
The average fan and those in the media will just go by that fact that the Steelers are giving up 316 yards passing per game, have only 5 sacks, and would have you believe that we are just terrible. The Jets? They have 11 sacks and are only giving up 285 yards per game, so they may be playing bad of late but at least they are not as bad as the Steelers, right?
And yet, in all of those categories that I listed up above, meaningful categories, completion percentage, passer rating, big splash plays over 40+ yards, first down percentage, etc, the Steelers beat the JETs by a large margin, and the Jets are in the basement or close to it in nearly every category.
The Jets nearly lead the NFL for worst in each of those categories: 31, 32, 32, 26, 32
The Steelers aren't anywhere close to being worst, in the middle: 14, 10, 18, 11, 16
Those are the categories that I look at when figuring out if our defense is playing well or not, improving or not.
Steelers defense has given up a passer rating of 87.8, which is 14th in the NFL.
Jets defense has given up a passer rating of 116.5, which is 31st in the NFL.
Steelers D has given up just 2 pass plays over 40+ yards. Tied for 10th fewest.
Jet D has given up 7 pass plays over 40+ yards. Worst in the NFL, 32nd in the NFL
People are criticizing that our Defense is giving up too high a completion percentage. Is 64% too high? That is tied for 18th in the NFL.
The Jets D? They are allowing 71.4% of passes to be completed, again, dead last in the NFL, 32nd overall.
Steeler D is allowing a first down percentage of 33% which is tied for 11th fewest in the NFL.
Jets D is allowing 39%, which is tied for 26th.
Steelers D is allowing just 7.2 yards per pass attempt, good for 16th.
Jets D is allowing a mind boggling 9.7 yards per pass attempt which is 32nd.
The average fan and those in the media will just go by that fact that the Steelers are giving up 316 yards passing per game, have only 5 sacks, and would have you believe that we are just terrible. The Jets? They have 11 sacks and are only giving up 285 yards per game, so they may be playing bad of late but at least they are not as bad as the Steelers, right?
And yet, in all of those categories that I listed up above, meaningful categories, completion percentage, passer rating, big splash plays over 40+ yards, first down percentage, etc, the Steelers beat the JETs by a large margin, and the Jets are in the basement or close to it in nearly every category.
The Jets nearly lead the NFL for worst in each of those categories: 31, 32, 32, 26, 32
The Steelers aren't anywhere close to being worst, in the middle: 14, 10, 18, 11, 16
Those are the categories that I look at when figuring out if our defense is playing well or not, improving or not.
