Pass to AB with 2:00 left

[swissvale72]

If you read Kaboly's full tweets, he said Ben asked Tomlin's permission to throw the ball to Brown there and the dude obliged.

I'm with Swiss and the OP on this one. It was unnecessary and continues to put individual accomplishments over the team. A lot of things could go wrong on a pass play. You've seen our O-line right? The Jags had 0 timeouts left. 3 kneel-downs wins the game. And to top the play off, our veteran WR ran out of bounds and stopped the clock.

I don't know-- of course I want to win the game but I think these are things that build up your teammates and the risk was offset by Ben being able to play the card at a later date... consider it a low risk, high reward investment... a reward for a very hard working player. I wish they had run it on first or second down earlier in the drive; they did call two plays for AB, but coverage jumped his route twice... once resulted in a catch for Justin Brown and the other for Miller.

What's THIS mean? All that should matter to AB is his team winning the game. If that pass falls incomplete, not even the worst scenario....Steelers either need to trot Suisham out for a 50-yarder on 4th down, or give the ball back to Jax.

Totally unnecessary. It compromised our chances of winning. Please...offer an explanation that makes sense. Of course; there isn't any.

[K_C_]

So Ben asks for permission...because he thought it was a swell idea.

Tomlin, who according to this message board, is supposedly is squeezing the life out of our John Wayne'esque QB on the behest of the Rooney family, obliges without question.

Stupid call, but who the fuck is the bad guy again?

We're lucky to have Mikey T.

That's us.

Lucky.

[Steelperch]

I don't know-- of course I want to win the game but I think these are things that build up your teammates and the risk was offset by Ben being able to play the card at a later date... consider it a low risk, high reward investment... a reward for a very hard working player. I wish they had run it on first or second down earlier in the drive; they did call two plays for AB, but coverage jumped his route twice... once resulted in a catch for Justin Brown and the other for Miller.

?????? The "low risk" in this situation is a turnover which leads to a loss to the worst team in the league. The "high reward" is a meaningless record getting extended by an individual. The play call is absolutely indefensible. Ben wants to do right by his teammate, I get that. Any Head Coach leads in that situation and tells his QB the team win is more important than the individual and they take the knee.

[bradshaw2ben]

Well, I do support Ben's intentions, but agree that it's on the Head Coach to say no.

[V DUB]

Because it's a buisness to these guy's & meaningless records to fans, up the value of the player come contract time. AB can put that on his resume & say how consistently productive he is. It's Ben doing him a solid. I doubt that he gets thrown to if the coverage didn't dictate it.

This isn't 70's NFL, where players loved the game & respected the colors they donned. This is free agency, build your value while you can, 2014, every schmuck with a youtube account can get famous football.

[Legacy User]

For this alone Tomlin should be fired. He put the individual stats of a player above a guaranteed Steeler win. With no timeouts we could have kneeled on the ball four times and had the win. Even though the play was a very high probability play, if the ball bounces off AB and goes up in the air, it could have potentially been returned for a TD.

This is exhibit #1 that Tomlin doesn't care about this team, and he's letting the inmates run the asylum. I am furious about this call.

Whoa, Splat, I'm not a tomlin fna but this doesn't make sense. AB got us a first down and enabled us to sit on the ball to run the clock out. AB was a knucklehead for going out of bounds, but we wouldn't have been able to just kneel on the ball 4 times

[Legacy User]

however, running out of bounds was very bad

AB isn't the brightest guy in the world, but luckily he picked up a first down, so it didn't matter.

[Legacy User]

For this alone Tomlin should be fired. He put the individual stats of a player above a guaranteed Steeler win. With no timeouts we could have kneeled on the ball four times and had the win. Even though the play was a very high probability play, if the ball bounces off AB and goes up in the air, it could have potentially been returned for a TD.

This is exhibit #1 that Tomlin doesn't care about this team, and he's letting the inmates run the asylum. I am furious about this call.

Whoa, Splat, I'm not a tomlin fna but this doesn't make sense. AB got us a first down and enabled us to sit on the ball to run the clock out. AB was a knucklehead for going out of bounds, but we wouldn't have been able to just kneel on the ball 4 times

Yes we would have.

Actually 3 times.

[Minkah'n History]

I'll be at the Jets game Nov. 9th pal.

Big guy

You are a tough guy

I'll develop 250 miles so we can fight behind Mcdonalds because you're under medicated

Any other brilliant suggestions Einstein?

Easy Mr. Agenda.

Not an internet tough guy actually.

You just love to pound your chest behind your computer a lil too much.

Carry on with your nonsense....

[Suwanee88]

For this alone Tomlin should be fired. He put the individual stats of a player above a guaranteed Steeler win. With no timeouts we could have kneeled on the ball four times and had the win. Even though the play was a very high probability play, if the ball bounces off AB and goes up in the air, it could have potentially been returned for a TD.

This is exhibit #1 that Tomlin doesn't care about this team, and he's letting the inmates run the asylum. I am furious about this call.

Whoa, Splat, I'm not a tomlin fna but this doesn't make sense. AB got us a first down and enabled us to sit on the ball to run the clock out. AB was a knucklehead for going out of bounds, but we wouldn't have been able to just kneel on the ball 4 times

Yes we would have.

Actually 3 times.

Agree - 3 times kneel and game over.

[Jobu]

I can't believe everyone is missing the obviously here...Ben/Tomlin had AB on their fantasy teams!

[jeemie]

The feed I was watching putzed out with about 5 minutes to go so I missed that little gem.

Up until that point, I was most pissed off about them yet again wussing out in a big spot...punting on 4th and a whisker from their own 40 instead of trying to go for the kill.

[Kodiak]

I can't believe everyone is missing the obviously here...Ben/Tomlin had AB on their fantasy teams!

If you think Tomlin has AB on his fantasy team then you haven't been watching who he's drafting in real life

[Stallworth16]

The premise of this thread is the opposite of my opinion.

The most important thing is the Win, of course. But we had control of the ball and the Win in hand. AB has contributed to more wins in the last 4 years than almost any other player. He has 4 catches for 64 yards and he needs one more catch to keep his All-Time record of 21 games with 5 receptions and 50 yards. I Want them to target AB in that situation. If they don't target AB then I'm pissed. Ben absolutely did the right thing, and so did Tomlin.

AB gives his heart and soul out there and his success is no accident. AB wants to win games as much as Ben or anyone Imo. And his record is something the whole offense and the fans can be proud of.

[Jobu]

I can't believe everyone is missing the obviously here...Ben/Tomlin had AB on their fantasy teams!

If you think Tomlin has AB on his fantasy team then you haven't been watching who he's drafting in real life

Good point. My bad!

[zeke5123]

The feed I was watching putzed out with about 5 minutes to go so I missed that little gem.

Up until that point, I was most pissed off about them yet again wussing out in a big spot...punting on 4th and a whisker from their own 40 instead of trying to go for the kill.

That was disgusting. I hated that pussy play calling. At worst, it is 80% conversion rate. The differnce in field position on average would be twenty yards. So, twenty percent of the time Tomlin got 20 extra yards. Put another way, he decided possession wasn't worth an EV of four yards.

[Steelcody7]

For this alone Tomlin should be fired. He put the individual stats of a player above a guaranteed Steeler win. With no timeouts we could have kneeled on the ball four times and had the win. Even though the play was a very high probability play, if the ball bounces off AB and goes up in the air, it could have potentially been returned for a TD.

This is exhibit #1 that Tomlin doesn't care about this team, and he's letting the inmates run the asylum. I am furious about this call.

Dumb thing to bitch about.

That play was open, and sealed the game.

[StillerDownSouth]

It was a 4 yard pass in the backfield, not much different than a sweep except the pass went slightly forward, about as low risk as turning around and handing it off for professional football players, but once again the brass at steelerfury will find something to bitch about....for those bitching, do ya'll actually think Ben would have thrown the ball if someone had somehow jumped the route, I doubt it, he probably would have just ate the ball.

[swissvale72]

For this alone Tomlin should be fired. He put the individual stats of a player above a guaranteed Steeler win. With no timeouts we could have kneeled on the ball four times and had the win. Even though the play was a very high probability play, if the ball bounces off AB and goes up in the air, it could have potentially been returned for a TD.

This is exhibit #1 that Tomlin doesn't care about this team, and he's letting the inmates run the asylum. I am furious about this call.

Dumb thing to bitch about.

That play was open, and sealed the game.

Game was already sealed, cody....that call could have unsealed it

[Steelcody7]

For this alone Tomlin should be fired. He put the individual stats of a player above a guaranteed Steeler win. With no timeouts we could have kneeled on the ball four times and had the win. Even though the play was a very high probability play, if the ball bounces off AB and goes up in the air, it could have potentially been returned for a TD.

This is exhibit #1 that Tomlin doesn't care about this team, and he's letting the inmates run the asylum. I am furious about this call.

Dumb thing to bitch about.

That play was open, and sealed the game.

Game was already sealed, cody....that call could have unsealed it

It was as easy as a hand off for Ben.

If nothing was there he would have took a knee or ran and slid. He usually makes the right call, and he did.

[Stillchest]

What if Ben gets destroyed on that play and we lose him for the season?

What can happen, will happen.

Risk vs reward

Tomlin isn't too bright....obviously.

[Legacy User]

IC gets owned 9 out of 10 times and the one time he feels cool.

You are the most overrated poster on this site.

Do you want to know why? Because there is one and only one stupid reason.

You have an agenda...and no matter what you won't stop.....the problem is nobody takes you serious anymore. Most overrated and chest pounding poster on this site. It never stops with your garbage.

That's hurtful

Who are you again?

I would LOVE to meet you...and then see who is who

Can I laugh now???

[Legacy User]

Tomlin must suspend ping pong.

[Steelafan77]

Tomlin must suspend ping pong.

That's what he's thinking about during the game? I wondered what he does on the sidelines.

[Steelcody7]

What if Ben gets destroyed on that play and we lose him for the season?

What can happen, will happen.

Risk vs reward

Tomlin isn't too bright....obviously.

An airplane could crash onto the field too.

Better not play.

[Stillchest]

What if Ben gets destroyed on that play and we lose him for the season?

What can happen, will happen.

Risk vs reward

Tomlin isn't too bright....obviously.

An airplane could crash onto the field too.

Better not play.

Hyperbolic nonsense.

How's your Ultimate Madden Team doing?

[jeemie]

The feed I was watching putzed out with about 5 minutes to go so I missed that little gem.

Up until that point, I was most pissed off about them yet again wussing out in a big spot...punting on 4th and a whisker from their own 40 instead of trying to go for the kill.

That was disgusting. I hated that pussy play calling. At worst, it is 80% conversion rate. The differnce in field position on average would be twenty yards. So, twenty percent of the time Tomlin got 20 extra yards. Put another way, he decided possession wasn't worth an EV of four yards.

Worse- even if they failed, at BEST, all Jacksonville would be able to do there is tie- IF they drove 40 yards and IF they converted a two point conversion.

Both unlikely against a defense that did well today (yes, I know it was the Jags).

"Pussy" is too soft a word for how gutless that call was.

[V DUB]

The feed I was watching putzed out with about 5 minutes to go so I missed that little gem.

Up until that point, I was most pissed off about them yet again wussing out in a big spot...punting on 4th and a whisker from their own 40 instead of trying to go for the kill.

That was disgusting. I hated that pussy play calling. At worst, it is 80% conversion rate. The differnce in field position on average would be twenty yards. So, twenty percent of the time Tomlin got 20 extra yards. Put another way, he decided possession wasn't worth an EV of four yards.

Worse- even if they failed, at BEST, all Jacksonville would be able to do there is tie- IF they drove 40 yards and IF they converted a two point conversion.

Both unlikely against a defense that did well today (yes, I know it was the Jags).

"Pussy" is too soft a word for how gutless that call was.

They didn't fail.

And I thought going for the kill shot was the opposite of "risk averse". Thought they might've been going for points there & making it a 2 score game. Just in case. Tomlin's horrible clock management skills are on par with my own, because I thought another 1st was a necessity. Figured he decided a figgie wasn't necessary at that point, after the 1st down.

Anyway.

STEELERS WON! yay.

[R_S]

If you read Kaboly's full tweets, he said Ben asked Tomlin's permission to throw the ball to Brown there and the dude obliged.

I'm with Swiss and the OP on this one. It was unnecessary and continues to put individual accomplishments over the team. A lot of things could go wrong on a pass play. You've seen our O-line right? The Jags had 0 timeouts left. 3 kneel-downs wins the game. And to top the play off, our veteran WR ran out of bounds and stopped the clock.

I don't know-- of course I want to win the game but I think these are things that build up your teammates and the risk was offset by Ben being able to play the card at a later date... consider it a low risk, high reward investment... a reward for a very hard working player. I wish they had run it on first or second down earlier in the drive; they did call two plays for AB, but coverage jumped his route twice... once resulted in a catch for Justin Brown and the other for Miller.

What's THIS mean? All that should matter to AB is his team winning the game. If that pass falls incomplete, not even the worst scenario....Steelers either need to trot Suisham out for a 50-yarder on 4th down, or give the ball back to Jax.

Totally unnecessary. It compromised our chances of winning. Please...offer an explanation that makes sense. Of course; there isn't any.

agree. that is a major major reach. these are pro athlete's, not medicated suicide risk mental patients.

[R_S]

For this alone Tomlin should be fired. He put the individual stats of a player above a guaranteed Steeler win. With no timeouts we could have kneeled on the ball four times and had the win. Even though the play was a very high probability play, if the ball bounces off AB and goes up in the air, it could have potentially been returned for a TD.

This is exhibit #1 that Tomlin doesn't care about this team, and he's letting the inmates run the asylum. I am furious about this call.

Dumb thing to bitch about.

That play was open, and sealed the game.

Cody, even as a backwoods, slackjawed hillbilly, you should know better than this. Snap and kneel it 3 times. Anything else is stupid.