Coach Peezy gone

[955876]

But but but we are constantly told here that Tomlin delegates and lets his coordinators coordinate.

I think he was, until recently.

Wasn’t there chatter toward the end of 2017 season that he was doing the same??

Pretty sure there was.

The semantics don’t matter.

What matters is we have a HC who feels like his DC isn’t delivering so he needs to step in and take more control back. However, he has proven to not be an Xs and O’s guy either. We literally have other teams players saying our defense is stale and predictable. That doesn’t scream highly coordinated defense to me.

So Tomlin takes control because Butler is incapable but then retains Butler all because he’s cool with Tomlin doing his job for him.

How in the world is Dunce errrrrr Deuce ok with this kind of nonsense?

[SOCALSTEEL]

I listened to the entire Dulac interview.Said that Tomlin and Butler are close and have coached together off and on and since 1997 which is why Tomlin feels he can step in at anytime and run the defense.Any new D coordinator especially a big name guy is going to want to run the D his way.Randy Fichtner was also on the same staff.



PG article on all 3

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147

ESPN article when Butler was hired.


https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147


“Tomlin and Butler have coached together in three different places. They first worked with each other in 1996, when Butler coached the linebackers and defensive ends at Memphis and Tomlin served as his graduate assistant.”

[swissvale72]

Gerry Dulac was on ESPN 970 yesterday.
Said Butler is staying because he allows Tomlin to have a large say in the defense and most D-coordinators wouldn’t be down with that.
Dulac also said that especially at the end of the season Tomlin had more control of the defense then Butler.

So, what does Butler actually do then?

The Potted Plant Keith Fuckin Butler, Swiss?

We have to get the vernacular correct, Ice.

It's The Potted Fuckin' Plant Keith Butler.

[jeemie]

I listened to the entire Dulac interview.Said that Tomlin and Butler are close and have coached together off and on and since 1997 which is why Tomlin feels he can step in at anytime and run the defense.Any new D coordinator especially a big name guy is going to want to run the D his way.Randy Fichtner was also on the same staff.



PG article on all 3

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147

ESPN article when Butler was hired.


https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147


“Tomlin and Butler have coached together in three different places. They first worked with each other in 1996, when Butler coached the linebackers and defensive ends at Memphis and Tomlin served as his graduate assistant.”

When things are going badly wrong...this isn’t a strength.

[alancac98]

Gerry Dulac was on ESPN 970 yesterday.
Said Butler is staying because he allows Tomlin to have a large say in the defense and most D-coordinators wouldn’t be down with that.
Dulac also said that especially at the end of the season Tomlin had more control of the defense then Butler.

So let me get this straight..........

A) Butler's unit wasn't producing to the point where Tomlin had to take over but that isn't enough of a reason for him to lose his job?

B) When was it that the D gave up 2nd half leads in 4 of 6 games and cost us a playoff spot? Hmmmmmmm Wasn't that at the end of the season?

Doesn't that mean the NEITHER of them should be overseeing the Defense?

Heavy Sign !!!!

Oh, stop being so damn logical! It's clear Art2 has no common sense and can't think with any logic - that's why Tomfuck will keep his job. For a lawyer, Art2 is a total moron. No idea how he passed the bar, but one thing is for sure, I wouldn't want him representing me in any legal action. He fucking totally oblivious!!!

[DP39]

I listened to the entire Dulac interview.Said that Tomlin and Butler are close and have coached together off and on and since 1997 which is why Tomlin feels he can step in at anytime and run the defense.Any new D coordinator especially a big name guy is going to want to run the D his way.Randy Fichtner was also on the same staff.



PG article on all 3

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147

ESPN article when Butler was hired.


https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147


“Tomlin and Butler have coached together in three different places. They first worked with each other in 1996, when Butler coached the linebackers and defensive ends at Memphis and Tomlin served as his graduate assistant.”

This is true. That's why I don't see any of them going anywhere. Unfortunately, A2 gave Tomlin nothing more than a slap on the wrist by telling him he had to let go of his useless butt buddy, Peezey.

[swissvale72]

I've always said...how the fuck do we really know how effective a position coach is??

I looooved Joey Porter as a player.

I looooved Joey Porter in the playoff game v Bungals three years ago!! That was Classic Fuckin' Joey Porter!! I loved explaining how perfect that was to non-Steeler fans.

[the-other-burg]

I listened to the entire Dulac interview.Said that Tomlin and Butler are close and have coached together off and on and since 1997 which is why Tomlin feels he can step in at anytime and run the defense.Any new D coordinator especially a big name guy is going to want to run the D his way.Randy Fichtner was also on the same staff.



PG article on all 3

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147

ESPN article when Butler was hired.


https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147


“Tomlin and Butler have coached together in three different places. They first worked with each other in 1996, when Butler coached the linebackers and defensive ends at Memphis and Tomlin served as his graduate assistant.”

This is true. That's why I don't see any of them going anywhere. Unfortunately, A2 gave Tomlin nothing more than a slap on the wrist by telling him he had to let go of his useless butt buddy, Peezey.

If ButLin like working together so much, they can both go coach D1A and let this franchise try to recover.

[Steelafan77]

Oh thank God.

I said it in another thread before. I think Tomlin is coaching for his career in Pittsburgh this year. Tomlin's contract is only to 2020.

[Ice]

I've always said...how the fuck do we really know how effective a position coach is??

I looooved Joey Porter as a player.

I looooved Joey Porter in the playoff game v Bungals three years ago!! That was Classic Fuckin' Joey Porter!! I loved explaining how perfect that was to non-Steeler fans.

Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree are a pretty solid barometer.

[Steelafan77]

@DVEMike
Had a couple offensive players share complaints about Joey Porter late in the season, that he was trying to pit the defense against the offense in a divisive manner. The approach wasn’t understood or appreciated. This looks, smells like a move to address culture, chemistry. https://twitter.com/DVEMike/status/1081314859977986050

Hmmm....

[jeemie]

I listened to the entire Dulac interview.Said that Tomlin and Butler are close and have coached together off and on and since 1997 which is why Tomlin feels he can step in at anytime and run the defense.Any new D coordinator especially a big name guy is going to want to run the D his way.Randy Fichtner was also on the same staff.



PG article on all 3

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147

ESPN article when Butler was hired.


https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147


“Tomlin and Butler have coached together in three different places. They first worked with each other in 1996, when Butler coached the linebackers and defensive ends at Memphis and Tomlin served as his graduate assistant.”

This is true. That's why I don't see any of them going anywhere. Unfortunately, A2 gave Tomlin nothing more than a slap on the wrist by telling him he had to let go of his useless butt buddy, Peezey.

That's not just a slap on the wrist.

[DP39]

I listened to the entire Dulac interview.Said that Tomlin and Butler are close and have coached together off and on and since 1997 which is why Tomlin feels he can step in at anytime and run the defense.Any new D coordinator especially a big name guy is going to want to run the D his way.Randy Fichtner was also on the same staff.



PG article on all 3

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147

ESPN article when Butler was hired.


https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/ste ... 1801220147


“Tomlin and Butler have coached together in three different places. They first worked with each other in 1996, when Butler coached the linebackers and defensive ends at Memphis and Tomlin served as his graduate assistant.”

This is true. That's why I don't see any of them going anywhere. Unfortunately, A2 gave Tomlin nothing more than a slap on the wrist by telling him he had to let go of his useless butt buddy, Peezey.

That's not just a slap on the wrist.

Peezey was not a great coach anyway. So, it helps the OLBs if they find a better coach (that Tomlin doesn't hand pick). But, a slap on the wrist as far as making the team any better by forcing Tomlin to be any better as a coach. Okay, a slap on the wrist and a shot across the bow.

[Legacy User]

ya im sure this is gonna change the culture.

Mike Prisuta
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@DVEMike
2h2 hours ago
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Had a couple offensive players share complaints about Joey Porter late in the season, that he was trying to pit the defense against the offense in a divisive manner. The approach wasn’t understood or appreciated. This looks, smells like a move to address culture, chemistry.

[Ice]

He never said how big a move to address culture.

[Obviously]

@DVEMike
Had a couple offensive players share complaints about Joey Porter late in the season, that he was trying to pit the defense against the offense in a divisive manner. The approach wasn’t understood or appreciated. This looks, smells like a move to address culture, chemistry. https://twitter.com/DVEMike/status/1081314859977986050

Hmmm....

No surprise. Pal Joey is a huge dickbag.

[Legacy User]

Holy forking shirtballs, Peezey had better not be the only goat sacrificed to appease Malevolent Kneejerk, the Lord High God of Fans.

no shit. I think entire defensive side coaches need ax along with special teams. id love Kevin Greene on the staff
no-one improves on defense on this team. fucking Artie was better as rook; as was dud bud! what u see players do first game is their high water mark. they have not ruined jj watt yet but they likely will with this inept shit show defense.

[swissvale72]

I've always said...how the fuck do we really know how effective a position coach is??

I looooved Joey Porter as a player.

I looooved Joey Porter in the playoff game v Bungals three years ago!! That was Classic Fuckin' Joey Porter!! I loved explaining how perfect that was to non-Steeler fans.

Jarvis Jones and Bud Dupree are a pretty solid barometer.

And we know this is due to Peezy's deficits as a coach?? They were both question marks on draft day, right? And seriously, what do we know about Kevin Greene as a coach. We're not at practice. What the fuck do we know about a position coach's coaching?

[Ice]

I mean, I've pretty much always looked at it (especially when it's as specific as OLB coach, that's only like 4 dudes for Chrissakes) as improved play from the talent at the position you coach. Richard Mann being an example. Bud Dupree is an athletic freak, and you'd have to think a decent coach would be able to engender some improvement. Dupree isn't the first prime pick dumped into the position, either.

I loved Carnell Lake as a player, too, but he had some terrible results based on that metric, as well. The only way you can judge a position coach is by the way those players play.

[swissvale72]

I mean, I've pretty much always looked at it (especially when it's as specific as OLB coach, that's only like 4 dudes for Chrissakes) as improved play from the talent at the position you coach. Richard Mann being an example. Bud Dupree is an athletic freak, and you'd have to think a decent coach would be able to engender some improvement. Dupree isn't the first prime pick dumped into the position, either.

I loved Carnell Lake as a player, too, but he had some terrible results based on that metric, as well. The only way you can judge a position coach is by the way those players play.

Right! But if the player sucks to begin with? We really never see those coaches perform. Except Peezy at Paul Brown Stadium!!

[Ice]

Oh, I'm not denying that Bungles collapse was funny. Like laughing for about three hours spontaneously after the game funny.

[Gonzo]

ya im sure this is gonna change the culture.

Mike Prisuta
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@DVEMike
2h2 hours ago
More
Had a couple offensive players share complaints about Joey Porter late in the season, that he was trying to pit the defense against the offense in a divisive manner. The approach wasn’t understood or appreciated. This looks, smells like a move to address culture, chemistry.

How is it going to change culture if Tomlin allowed it

[Legacy User]

fucking Artie was better as rook; as was dud bud!

I thought Bud was better this year after being moved to the right side.

[steelmann58]

It does start at the top for Tomlin and getting rid of the other coaches first is just another way of scapegoating the head coach.

[Legacy User]

It does start at the top for Tomlin and getting rid of the other coaches first is just another way of scapegoating the head coach.

Fucking this.

[Stlcrtn1974]

It does start at the top for Tomlin and getting rid of the other coaches first is just another way of scapegoating the head coach.

Agree 100%. The Steelers are just appeasing the stupid fan base. Olb did play better this year, slightly but better. Wr group set records this year with a rookie and 2nd year wr. So like last year, instead of firing the coaches that needed to be fired, they fire Haley who's offense wasnt the problem. (Glad they did by the way.) Next year probably will be the same bs as this year. Make playoffs, 1 and done, winning record, useless firing of position coaches.
Tomlin gets 1 more year, fails. Ben Retires, Tomlin resigns with one last master line of bullshit speach. Then the rebuild will begin.
How any of these coordinators still have jobs is mind boggling.

[Jobu]

I don’t get the idea that Tomlin will resign when Ben retires. The guy has one of the cushiest jobs going. What’s he make? 5-6 million a year, and just mails it in. Why would he jump off that gravy train? Ben or no Ben, Aviators is going nowhere.

[swissvale72]

I don’t get the idea that Tomlin will resign when Ben retires. The guy has one of the cushiest jobs going. What’s he make? 5-6 million a year, and just mails it in. Why would he jump off that gravy train? Ben or no Ben, Aviators is going nowhere.

Here's why. 'Cuz he'll walk away after 14-15 years, and directly into a TV studio and will forever wear the mantle of the coach who never had a losing record. The intro...

"And we have Mike Tomlin, Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers for 15 years, and though the dumb mother-fucker pissed away Super Bowl opportunities, and squandered unparalleled offensive talent....never had a losing record."

[Steelafan77]

Is there a trophy or some kind of an award for that swiss? If not there should be. That has to be one of the most challenging accomplishments ever in the NFL.

[jeemie]

I don’t get the idea that Tomlin will resign when Ben retires. The guy has one of the cushiest jobs going. What’s he make? 5-6 million a year, and just mails it in. Why would he jump off that gravy train? Ben or no Ben, Aviators is going nowhere.

Here's why. 'Cuz he'll walk away after 14-15 years, and directly into a TV studio and will forever wear the mantle of the coach who never had a losing record. The intro...

"And we have Mike Tomlin, Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers for 15 years, and though the dumb mother-fucker pissed away Super Bowl opportunities, and squandered unparalleled offensive talent....never had a losing record."

Exactly.

An even cushier job.

Just ask Coach Cowher.

If Tomlin stays on after his star players are gone, he’s either a) going to be exposed as a failure or b) have to start working at his craft again.

Option c) get to practice his well-developed line of bullshit in a cushy studio job is going to look mighty attractive.