AB heading to Oakland

[Legacy User]

Browns getting better

Steelers getting worse

It’s coming....

Very possible, they've had years to collect talent and might have finally found a QB.

But I'll tell ya, give me a pissed off Ben Roethlisberger with a chip on his shoulder.

We'll get him another big time weapon in the draft, zero doubt about it.

Gotta hope that kid can be an early producer like JuJu and if he is, I think we'll be right in the mix.

if we go WR in round 1, then we need to sign major FA to help on D -- we need an ILB and a CB desperately.

[K_C_]

Browns getting better

Steelers getting worse

It’s coming....

Very possible, they've had years to collect talent and might have finally found a QB.

But I'll tell ya, give me a pissed off Ben Roethlisberger with a chip on his shoulder.

We'll get him another big time weapon in the draft, zero doubt about it.

Gotta hope that kid can be an early producer like JuJu and if he is, I think we'll be right in the mix.

if we go WR in round 1, then we need to sign major FA to help on D -- we need an ILB and a CB desperately.

We could go WR in round 2. Or with one of our 2 3rd rounders. We'll get Ben a weapon and we just have to hope the kid is another gem.

With JuJu, JW, Vance, Conner and Samuel, plus whoever we add thru free agency and the draft, I'm far from giving up on next season.

The locker room won't be a problem (hopefully) and that could be huge.

[swissvale72]

Some of you guys are missing the point of this trade. The Steelers FO wasn’t sitting around and saying to themselves “You know what will make this team better? If we trade away one of the best WRs in the NFL today.”

This isn’t about wins and losses. You don’t let an employee spit in your face and then suit up for your team again. We will no doubt be a worse, less explosive offense without him. But the good thing is we won’t have a cancerous quitter soiling the locker room. Anyone who wanted this guy to wear a Steeler uniform again and make plays for us has no integrity IMO.Thankfully, I knew the Steelers operated with it, which is why a trade or release was a given.

Colbert was dealt a bad hand, but he fucked up. The self-imposed deadline and working a trade with the god-forsaken Bills before allowing Rosenhaus to negotiate when you knew AB wouldn’t play there was a royal fuck up. Raiders initially offered a 2 and a 4...maybe that changed when AB comes out and wants 20 mil a year (likely would’ve affected that offer either way) but what’s done is done.

They better NAIL the draft and free agency for their sake. The good thing is they just now cleared another close to 20 mil in cap space for 2020, which should give them some more freedom.

Fuck you with this no integrity bullshit. It's about wanting this team to win football games, win Super Bowls...our integrity nothing to do with our Steeler fandom. Christ Almighty....guess I better go to confession for thinking Steelers are a better team with AB and Bell than without. I'll be saying a fuckin' rosary today cuz I thought impure thoughts.

[tbsteel]

I get the contract precedeent argument, but this didn’t start with the Steelers. You’re seeing it in the NBA where a guy like Anthony Davis with two years on his contract basically tries to force his way to the Lakers. Or Kawhi Leonard sits out a whole year because he doesn’t want to be a Spur anymore and then gets traded to Toronto. Big stars have more empowerment. Throw Bell into that.

I expect a lengthy NFL strike in a couple of years rooted with the guaranteed money issue. NFL contracts are essentially just suggestions beyond guanranteed cash. That will probably change.

Will this work out for AB? Financially, sure. But given the state of his life and career right now, I wouldn’t be shocked if he has another domestic issue or three and is suspended. Did he lose a step last year? He looked less explosive to me, but still high quality.He basically ruined his precious brand in the span of two months. In terms of legacy, this will be a big hit to him IMO. I don’t think the Oakland experience is one he’s going to look back fondly on.

[tbsteel]

Swiss wants to resurrect Aaron Hernandez and go back to sign Ray Rice if it means the Steelers go from 9-7 to 10-6. If Ben came out with a press conference and said “I’ve been doing some soul searching, and I’m here to admit I raped that squirmy bitch in Milledgeville and loved it,” he’d be warning us about how bad life with Joshua Dobbs would be. Your logic sucks dude. There wasn’t a line AB could cross in your eyes.

[Legacy User]

We could go WR in round 2. Or with one of our 2 3rd rounders. We'll get Ben a weapon and we just have to hope the kid is another gem.

With JuJu, JW, Vance, Conner and Samuel, plus whoever we add thru free agency and the draft, I'm far from giving up on next season.

The locker room won't be a problem (hopefully) and that could be huge.

true -

it's crazy, but i think we'll be better next year without the cancers

we have 10 draft picks this year, with 4 in the top 100 - we can inject a ton of new talent into this roster.

Picks:

20
52
66
83
122
141
175
192
207
219

[swissvale72]

Swiss wants to resurrect Aaron Hernandez and go back to sign Ray Rice if it means the Steelers go from 9-7 to 10-6. If Ben came out with a press conference and said “I’ve been doing some soul searching, and I’m here to admit I raped that squirmy bitch in Milledgeville and loved it,” he’d be warning us about how bad life with Joshua Dobbs would be. Your logic sucks dude. There wasn’t a line AB could cross in your eyes.

And you're in fuckin' fantasy-land about how somehow this team will be better without this guy. Keep making up bullshit...big fuckin' difference between the shit you're spewing and wanting to hold onto a guy that clearly has a special ON-FIELD relationship with the QB for a ton of offensive production. I happen to believe in being able to work shit out. You've been a hater on this from Day 1.

Go ahead and believe that the Pittsburgh Steelers, now the league's laughing stock, having gotten fleeced into giving up arguably the game's premier WR for a bucket of mud, will somehow be better off....because in your eyes, they somehow perform better as underdogs. What a load of horseshit!!

[JackLambert58]

We are the laughing stock of the league right now. Just a small taste of things to come once Ben retires

Got news for you. The Steelers ownership and management have been the laughing stock of the league since the Tim Tebow game. This is nothing new. As much as Nick79 is given to bluster and theatrics, he touches on the root cause of the sideshow - Art II and the "Steeler Way." It's been a misguided and ludicrous way now since this organization has enabled Tomlin and his nonsense who further enables all the ridiculousness that you see in the media. We all should have taken notice of this with Art II's comments shortly after season ended after a dismal ending and collapse with the equivalent of Kevin Bacon screaming "All is Well!" in Animal House because the clueless head coach hasn't had a losing season since coming to Pittsburgh. Well, the ONLY reason for that is the great Ben Roethlisberger and nothing else. Yes, your second sentence is spot on. Unless Mason Rudolph is the second coming of Joe Montana, we'll see those non-losing seasons become a thing of the past. Get ready Steeler Nation. We are doomed with our current leadership - Art II, Kevin Colbert and Mike Tomlin otherwise known as Winkin', Blinkin' and Nod.

[K_C_]

Swiss wants to resurrect Aaron Hernandez and go back to sign Ray Rice if it means the Steelers go from 9-7 to 10-6. If Ben came out with a press conference and said “I’ve been doing some soul searching, and I’m here to admit I raped that squirmy bitch in Milledgeville and loved it,” he’d be warning us about how bad life with Joshua Dobbs would be. Your logic sucks dude. There wasn’t a line AB could cross in your eyes.

And you're in fuckin' fantasy-land about how somehow this team will be better without this guy. Keep making up bullshit...big fuckin' difference between the shit you're spewing and wanting to hold onto a guy that clearly has a special ON-FIELD relationship with the QB for a ton of offensive production. I happen to believe in being able to work shit out. You've been a hater on this from Day 1.

Go ahead and believe that the Pittsburgh Steelers, now the league's laughing stock, having gotten fleeced into giving up arguably the game's premier WR for a bucket of mud, will somehow be better off....because in your eyes, they somehow perform better as underdogs. What a load of horseshit!!

Um...Swiss?

We didn't make the playoffs last season.

AB quit (according to reports) 3 times on his team, last year.

It ain't gonna be all that difficult to be a better team in 2019, than we were in 2018.

Don't bet against Ben Roethlisberger or the power of a team to come together after a cancer has been removed...and make no mistake, AB had become a cancer.

[tbsteel]

Swiss creating arguments like straw is for sale. i just said three posts ago that the Steelers would be a worse, less explosive offense without AB you dolt.

If the Steelers only cared about wins and losses and nothing else they wouldn’t have even considered a trade.

But I’m optimistic the team can still win games going forward and exceed lowered expectations.

[Legacy User]

Lmao.

A 3rd and a 5th. Steelers got a 3rd for Martavis who was a bigger risk than AB.

Rosenhaus played this front office like they're run by a bunch of incestual hicks.

Those of you with the "it's a late 2nd" optimistic horseshit. No, it's not a late 2nd. It's an early 3rd. Make yourself feel better all you want. Doesnt change reality.

[swissvale72]

Swiss creating arguments like straw is for sale. i just said three posts ago that the Steelers would be a worse, less explosive offense without AB you dolt.

If the Steelers only cared about wins and losses and nothing else they wouldn’t have even considered a trade.

But I’m optimistic the team can still win games going forward and exceed lowered expectations.

The only fuckin' dolt, you fuckin' asshole, is you.

You expect Steelers to come out of this a better team...based on some stupid fuckin' notion that they do better as underdogs. We'll see, Fuckface.

[swissvale72]

Swiss wants to resurrect Aaron Hernandez and go back to sign Ray Rice if it means the Steelers go from 9-7 to 10-6. If Ben came out with a press conference and said “I’ve been doing some soul searching, and I’m here to admit I raped that squirmy bitch in Milledgeville and loved it,” he’d be warning us about how bad life with Joshua Dobbs would be. Your logic sucks dude. There wasn’t a line AB could cross in your eyes.

And you're in fuckin' fantasy-land about how somehow this team will be better without this guy. Keep making up bullshit...big fuckin' difference between the shit you're spewing and wanting to hold onto a guy that clearly has a special ON-FIELD relationship with the QB for a ton of offensive production. I happen to believe in being able to work shit out. You've been a hater on this from Day 1.

Go ahead and believe that the Pittsburgh Steelers, now the league's laughing stock, having gotten fleeced into giving up arguably the game's premier WR for a bucket of mud, will somehow be better off....because in your eyes, they somehow perform better as underdogs. What a load of horseshit!!

Um...Swiss?

We didn't make the playoffs last season.

AB quit (according to reports) 3 times on his team, last year.

It ain't gonna be all that difficult to be a better team in 2019, than we were in 2018.

Don't bet against Ben Roethlisberger or the power of a team to come together after a cancer has been removed...and make no mistake, AB had become a cancer.

I'm betting against it, KC. Sorry, can't buy that addition by subtraction stuff.

[K_C_]

Lmao.

A 3rd and a 5th. Steelers got a 3rd for Martavis who was a bigger risk than AB.

Rosenhaus played this front office like they're run by a bunch of incestual hicks.

Those of you with the "it's a late 2nd" optimistic horseshit. No, it's not a late 2nd. It's an early 3rd. Make yourself feel better all you want. Doesnt change reality.

Oh, they got fucked for sure value-wise, but we've hit on WR's plenty of times in the draft.

Hopefully we do it again next month and that kid can become a weapon early (ala JuJu).

If he can, Ben won't be hurting for weapons....at all and without a Diva being a bitch when he doesn't see enough balls, hopefully this team can pull together and Ben can do what he does best.

Throw it to who's open.

[tbsteel]

Those of you with the "it's a late 2nd" optimistic horseshit. No, it's not a late 2nd. It's an early 3rd. Make yourself feel better all you want. Doesnt change reality.

I get that, but ultimately the round designation doesn’t matter as much as the actual pick order.

I mean, is there really that much difference from 66 to 59? Not really.

[Legacy User]

This would be somewhat palatable if it were coupled with the firing of our imbecile in aviators.

What a fucking disaster. watch Bell join him in Oak now.

[K_C_]

I'm betting against it, KC. Sorry, can't buy that addition by subtraction stuff.

We'll see, but again....this team didn't make the playoffs last season WITH Antonio Brown.

Everywhere it's being reported the guy was a major, major distraction in the locker room. Ben threw I believe 80% of his INT's trying to keep the guy happy.

AB's a fantastic talent but again....don't bet against a Ben Roethlisberger with a chip on his shoulder. Ben has led this team deep into the playoffs long before Antonio Brown suited up for the Steelers and has the rings on his fingers to prove it.

AB doesn't have anything and down the road, the person who is going to regret this scenario the most is AB. He went from being a GOD in Pittsburgh to being the most hated ex-Steeler in history. I know I now detest him.

Brown is 31 years old. We'll see how much longer he can be an elite receiver and how he likes playing with Derek Carr.

God knows Amari Cooper hated it.

[the-other-burg]

Lmao.

A 3rd and a 5th. Steelers got a 3rd for Martavis who was a bigger risk than AB.

Rosenhaus played this front office like they're run by a bunch of incestual hicks.

Those of you with the "it's a late 2nd" optimistic horseshit. No, it's not a late 2nd. It's an early 3rd. Make yourself feel better all you want. Doesnt change reality.

Oh, they got fucked for sure value-wise, but we've hit on WR's plenty of times in the draft.

Hopefully we do it again next month and that kid can become a weapon early (ala JuJu).

If he can, Ben won't be hurting for weapons....at all and without a Diva being a bitch when he doesn't see enough balls, hopefully this team can pull together and Ben can do what he does best.

Throw it to who's open.

We’ve missed a lot too. Sammie Coates, Martavis Bryant, and Marcus Wheaten come to mind as high pick misses. Point is the draft needed to be about adding defense. Now we have to patch a mega hole in the offense, and we have an extra 3 and a 5 to do it.

I agree AB needed to go. But there is no consolation prize here. Our offense will most certainly be worse without him. And if we spend a 1 or a 2 on a WR, it will be at the cost of fixing the defense.

[jeemie]

ESPN had a nice little blurb that suggested two of the main drivers for this happening have been a) their very poor financial decisions over the past decade (I beat this drum...Kodiak beat it even louder...every time someone got worried that we would we screwed if someone grabbed Omar Khan from us) and b) their refusal, when they extend or offer new contracts, to offer very little in the way of guaranteed money, counting on players instead to rely on their tendency to not cut their own players, so non-guaranteed money is essentially “guaranteed”.

Our best players like Bell and Brown, see other teams doing what the Steelers won’t, so of course they try and bolt.

And yes, we paid Brown early, but he exploded in performance to become the best WR out there while on that second contract, so we actually had him for less than market value during that time.

So maybe the Steelers really have to re-think how they re-do their contracting, extensions, and salary cap clearance.

[K_C_]

missed a lot too. Sammie Coates, Martavis Bryant, and Marcus Wheaten come to mind as high pick misses. Point is the draft needed to be about adding defense. Now we have to patch a mega hole in the offense, and we have an extra 3 and a 5 to do it.

I agree AB needed to go. But there is no consolation prize here. Our offense will most certainly be worse without him. And if we spend a 1 or a 2 on a WR, it will be at the cost of fixing the defense.

I guess we'll just have to see what happens.

I think we're going to find a big-time receiver no later than the second round and I'm extremely excited already for next season.

[JackLambert58]

ESPN had a nice little blurb that suggested two of the main drivers for this happening have been a) their very poor financial decisions over the past decade (I beat this drum...Kodiak beat it even louder...every time someone got worried that we would we screwed if someone grabbed Omar Khan from us) and b) their refusal, when they extend or offer new contracts, to offer very little in the way of guaranteed money, counting on players instead to rely on their tendency to not cut their own players, so non-guaranteed money is essentially “guaranteed”.

Our best players like Bell and Brown, see other teams doing what the Steelers won’t, so of course they try and bolt.

And yes, we paid Brown early, but he exploded in performance to become the best WR out there while on that second contract, so we actually had him for less than market value during that time.

So maybe the Steelers really have to re-think how they re-do their contracting, extensions, and salary cap clearance.

They won't as long as they have the three nimrods in charge - EMR, Colbert and Tomlin. The standard is the standard and right now the standard is FOR SHIT.

[Jobu]

Lmao.

A 3rd and a 5th. Steelers got a 3rd for Martavis who was a bigger risk than AB.

Rosenhaus played this front office like they're run by a bunch of incestual hicks.

Those of you with the "it's a late 2nd" optimistic horseshit. No, it's not a late 2nd. It's an early 3rd. Make yourself feel better all you want. Doesnt change reality.

Oh, they got fucked for sure value-wise, but we've hit on WR's plenty of times in the draft.

Hopefully we do it again next month and that kid can become a weapon early (ala JuJu).

If he can, Ben won't be hurting for weapons....at all and without a Diva being a bitch when he doesn't see enough balls, hopefully this team can pull together and Ben can do what he does best.

Throw it to who's open.

We’ve missed a lot too. Sammie Coates, Martavis Bryant, and Marcus Wheaten come to mind as high pick misses. Point is the draft needed to be about adding defense. Now we have to patch a mega hole in the offense, and we have an extra 3 and a 5 to do it.

I agree AB needed to go. But there is no consolation prize here. Our offense will most certainly be worse without him. And if we spend a 1 or a 2 on a WR, it will be at the cost of fixing the defense.

Exactly.

[swissvale72]

I'm betting against it, KC. Sorry, can't buy that addition by subtraction stuff.

We'll see, but again....this team didn't make the playoffs last season WITH Antonio Brown.

Everywhere it's being reported the guy was a major, major distraction in the locker room. Ben threw I believe 80% of his INT's trying to keep the guy happy.

AB's a fantastic talent but again....don't bet against a Ben Roethlisberger with a chip on his shoulder. Ben has led this team deep into the playoffs long before Antonio Brown suited up for the Steelers and has the rings on his fingers to prove it.

AB doesn't have anything and down the road, the person who is going to regret this scenario the most is AB. He went from being a GOD in Pittsburgh to being the most hated ex-Steeler in history. I know I now detest him.

Brown is 31 years old. We'll see how much longer he can be an elite receiver and how he likes playing with Derek Carr.

God knows Amari Cooper hated it.

That 80% thing is a totally made up figure, KC, and you know it! Yeah...last time Ben did what you're saying was in 2010, with a much stronger supporting cast. His rings are a decade old. As I've said before, Dan Bylzma has a ring, too...lot of good it does him now. I really don't think AB, with his $30M guaranteed, is going to be regretting much of anything. He's done with Pittsburgh.

For the record, I hope he breaks his fuckin' leg now, too. If he does, he still has that $30M though. And ultimately, I don't much give a shit if AB is happy, sad, regretful, whatever the fuck. I care that the team that I've frankly, obsessed about, for 50 years, got fucked over and, in my estimation, will be poorer on the field. Yes, we all love JuJu. My belief is that AB's presence had alot to do with JuJu's production. We'll see how good he is as a number 1. Ultimately, AB, I hope the fuck you're right and I'm wrong.

[K_C_]

I'm betting against it, KC. Sorry, can't buy that addition by subtraction stuff.

We'll see, but again....this team didn't make the playoffs last season WITH Antonio Brown.

Everywhere it's being reported the guy was a major, major distraction in the locker room. Ben threw I believe 80% of his INT's trying to keep the guy happy.

AB's a fantastic talent but again....don't bet against a Ben Roethlisberger with a chip on his shoulder. Ben has led this team deep into the playoffs long before Antonio Brown suited up for the Steelers and has the rings on his fingers to prove it.

AB doesn't have anything and down the road, the person who is going to regret this scenario the most is AB. He went from being a GOD in Pittsburgh to being the most hated ex-Steeler in history. I know I now detest him.

Brown is 31 years old. We'll see how much longer he can be an elite receiver and how he likes playing with Derek Carr.

God knows Amari Cooper hated it.

That 80% thing is a totally made up figure, KC, and you know it! Yeah...last time Ben did what you're saying was in 2010, with a much stronger supporting cast. His rings are a decade old. As I've said before, Dan Bylzma has a ring, too...lot of good it does him now. I really don't think AB, with his $30M guaranteed, is going to be regretting much of anything. He's done with Pittsburgh.

For the record, I hope he breaks his fuckin' leg now, too. If he does, he still has that $30M though. And ultimately, I don't much give a shit if AB is happy, sad, regretful, whatever the fuck. I care that the team that I've frankly, obsessed about, for 50 years, got fucked over and, in my estimation, will be poorer on the field. Yes, we all love JuJu. My belief is that AB's presence had alot to do with JuJu's production. We'll see how good he is as a number 1. Ultimately, AB, I hope the fuck you're right and I'm wrong.

MC Hammer had way more than 30 million and we all know how that went.

AB has what, 5 baby mamas and lives a lifestyle that makes MC Hammer look like Jed Clampett.

AB is done with Pittsburgh now, but he won't be in the future. He has a couple years left being an elite receiver and we have no idea how he'll mesh with David Carr who AIN'T Ben Roethlisberger by a long shot.

I don't know......I'm very excited for next season. Nobody will believe in this team. Expectations will be very low. I look at this roster and still see a shit ton of talent.....and we'll add to that soon.

[Alibe]

I don’t think this situation will help the locker room. You may have gotten rid of a distraction, but you will be left with a stench that will permeate the team for some years! The players will feel like they are stuck on a team that has been taken advantage of. They will be embarrassed to be part of Steeler Organization. Who is going to,want to be part of this shit sandwich for the next few years? The organization has become stupid, foolish and insane! We have a coach who can’t coach. We have an owner that can’t get value for his players and can’t see the ineptness of his coach. We have a General Manager that can’t manage the money, the team, or the contracts. Oh yea, I could hardly wait to play for that team! This situation with Brown, Bell, Harrison, LeGarret Blount, S. Holmes makes us a 3 alarm dumpster fire. I am embarrassed! Can you imagine how the team must feel! Oh but we have only had 3 coaches in 50 years. BFD! Such DELUSION!!!

[Stosh-67]

Browns getting better

Steelers getting worse

It’s coming....

Steelers are always better as an underdog anyways.

Next season will be an ultimate “no one believes in us” year. Everyone will be picking the Browns or Ravens to take the division, Steelers are on a downwards spiral, Ben is done, etc.

I’m expecting a couple of low key nice pieces in FA, a great draft, Ben has one of those years that makes us say “Damn, this guy is still wirey and mobile for a fat fuck,” and that the Steelers will come out with a much better overall D next season that can make some plays. 11-5.

Unless camp Tomlin continues as is the standard and we do not prepare to start the season in full kill mode, and allows Ben to schedule family vacations during OTAs, and he continues to keep his favorite trusted vets on the 53 over more talented playes, players with more potential and he continues to limit his first unit offense to about 2 series before the season starts, and he continues to use the first 4 game to assess his team and talents to figure out his best starting 22.....etc. etc.

[Stosh-67]

That being said TB.
I take your optimism and run with it. Thanks.

Sign Golden Tate. He is your immediate #1b.
Draft a WR in 2nd or 3rd rounds.
JuJu, Tate, Washington. High draft pick, Switzer and Trey Griffey or Tevin Jones as your WR corps is pretty good.

Given Vance, Conner, Samuels, JJ?
Given an added FA or draft pick at #2 TE and #3 RB.....

Continue to add talent.

[K_C_]

That being said TB.
I take your optimism and run with it. Thanks.

Sign Golden Tate. He is your immediate #1b.
Draft a WR in 2nd or 3rd rounds.
JuJu, Tate, Washington. High draft pick, Switzer and Trey Griffey or Tevin Jones as your WR corps is pretty good.

Given Vance, Conner, Samuels, JJ?
Given an added FA or draft pick at #2 TE and #3 RB.....

Continue to add talent.

I like it.

I like all of it.

[jewelsongs]

For the prick Brown, "goodbye Felicia" and don't ever come back.

He thinks he will come back for all the Steelers events and be welcome. Screw him. One selfish prick, good riddance.

[K_C_]

For the prick Brown, "goodbye Felicia" and don't ever come back.

He thinks he will come back for all the Steelers events and be welcome. Screw him. One selfish prick, good riddance.

He will loathed by me and I imagine 95% of Steelers fans from here on out.

I sure hope.