Emmanuel Sanders: Denver is 'wide receiver heaven'

[Nick79]

This should elicit some fun response! Sanders is not a great WR, for sure, but his comment is interesting. Yes, BY THE NUMBERS, the Steelers throw 60% of the time, but an NFL WR who played in their offense thinks this...

"The receiver praised the chance to be able to play with both Super Bowl-winning quarterbacks during his career. He said the main difference between the two signal-callers is that Roethlisberger was always saddled in a run-heavy offense, while Manning has been allowed to air it out more."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... ver-heaven

Not a big deal, just illustrates that % of passing plays or numbers alone doesn't make offense just as aggressive or pass happy or whatever you want to call it as another offense.

[Legacy User]

Well its funny that Ben is 2-1 and Peyton is 1-2 in SBs. Ben with that run heavy offense and Peyton passing happy- so it all in what you want- regular season stats or SB victories. Brady is 3-0 with that offense and 0-2 with the pass happy stuff. Typically if you are the most prolific offense it means that you get an early ticket out of the playoffs unless you get a favorable match up (ie if you are facing another pass happy team)

[Nick79]

Well its funny that Ben is 2-1 and Peyton is 1-2 in SBs. Ben with that run heavy offense and Peyton passing happy- so it all in what you want- regular season stats or SB victories. Brady is 3-0 with that offense and 0-2 with the pass happy stuff. Typically if you are the most prolific offense it means that you get an early ticket out of the playoffs unless you get a favorable match up (ie if you are facing another pass happy team)

We're not talking about who won more, the discussion is simply what Sanders' opinion of the offense is. What rings where won by it is not the topic. Some people see that the Steelers and Broncos both threw about 60% of the time, therefore one must be playing the same way as the other, that's the point here, % alone is not an indication of what your offense is. Last year the Steelers threw 61.49% of the time, while Denver threw 59.68% of the time, who'd a thunk that? But Denver ranked 1st in passing yardage, while Pittsburgh ranked 12th. The point is, throwing a lot by % doesn't make you an aggressive passing team.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/passing-play-pct

[Legacy User]

This should elicit some fun response!

More trolling, huh? Guess our agreement is off.

Starting yet another fucking thread on the exact same topic that you just can't get away from.

[Kodiak]

The only thing about Sanders' comments that made me go "huh?" was about Peyton spreading the ball. Ben spreads it around as well as anyone.

I don't completely understand Manning's offense, but I assume Sanders means there's little to no progressions, meaning Pey Pey decides pre-snap where to throw it and that could be anyone. That's why he's tough to sack and so tough to stop...also why he's been predictable and not very good in post-season.

Sanders could excel with Manning, although I question his toughness (if you can't beat jams in Manning's offense you're useless). And if he starts dropping passes you can bet Manning will throw the ball elsewhere because, unlike Ben, Manning has LOTS of other options.

Sanders in that offense SHOULD put up numbers that make his contract look like a good deal (talking 1000+ and 8+ TD's)....however, I have a feeling he won't produce much more than he did with Ben and there's some real risk he'll do less. I also don't see him magically becoming a redzone threat with Manning.

It will be something interesting to watch because this is the first time, really, that Ben lost a receiver to another top QB - I think we knew Holmes with Sanchez and Wallace with Tannenhill would flop. And to a lesser extent, you can throw in Randle El and Nate Washington.

[Ice]

I'm sure Peyton will enjoy watching big, potentially game - changing plays clank off his questionable hands as much as I will. He has the worst hands of their receiving corps.

[Nick79]

This should elicit some fun response!

More trolling, huh? Guess our agreement is off.

Starting yet another fucking thread on the exact same topic that you just can't get away from.

This is not trolling. I am not bothering anybody but you. I am not arguing with anybody, I am not causing trouble, I just find the comments that Sanders made as interesting, period. I am not going to go on with this conversation. What you want from me is unfair to me, you want me to not discuss things that interest me, just because those topics annoy you personally. You deciding that I am trolling does not make it so. I personally would find it intersting to hear what people think of Emmanual Sanders opinion that "Ben is saddled with a run heavy offense", so what? Like I said before, if that discussion doesn't interest you, why do you bother to read about it? Why not just leave it to those that are interested and go to another thread?

[Legacy User]

It is Sanders' opinion that BR7 is saddled with a run heavy offense. That offense passed 60% of the time while Sanders was here. So, Nick, I don't really give a shit what Sanders says. I agree with you that what we need is smarter, not more throws. Where's the intermediate throwing?! But 60/40 is being saddled with a rock pounding offense? Hunh?

[Nick79]

It is Sanders' opinion that BR7 is saddled with a run heavy offense. That offense passed 60% of the time while Sanders was here. So, Nick, I don't really give a shit what Sanders says. I agree with you that what we need is smarter, not more throws. Where's the intermediate throwing?! But 60/40 is being saddled with a rock pounding offense? Hunh?

My point has always been, that "conservative" or "aggressive" is not defined soley by % of either run or pass.

The 2005 Steelers passed 40% of the time in the regular season, but you could argue they where the most aggressive offense in the AFC playoffs that year.

[Legacy User]

From yesterday

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27

[Nick79]

http://steelerfury.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27

Sorry, I didn't see that thread.

[jeemie]

It is Sanders' opinion that BR7 is saddled with a run heavy offense. That offense passed 60% of the time while Sanders was here. So, Nick, I don't really give a shit what Sanders says. I agree with you that what we need is smarter, not more throws. Where's the intermediate throwing?! But 60/40 is being saddled with a rock pounding offense? Hunh?

Nick is right about one thing...60% doesn't mean the same thing from team to team.

A bubble screen is classified a pass, but it is for all purposes an outside running play.

[Nick79]

It is Sanders' opinion that BR7 is saddled with a run heavy offense. That offense passed 60% of the time while Sanders was here. So, Nick, I don't really give a shit what Sanders says. I agree with you that what we need is smarter, not more throws. Where's the intermediate throwing?! But 60/40 is being saddled with a rock pounding offense? Hunh?

Nick is right about one thing...60% doesn't mean the same thing from team to team.

A bubble screen is classified a pass, but it is for all purposes an outside running play.

That's what I'm trying to say. It's frustrating when some here will say to me, "well Steelers threw 61% and Denver threw 58% so we are the aggressive, pass happy team", when it's not that simple. Period, OK, I'm done with this thread, that was the point I was trying to illustrate between sanders comments and the facts that I posted. So please, don't use pass play % alone as an argument of being aggressive or just as pass happy as team X with the same %.

[Kodiak]

Well, if you take sacks into account, Manning attempted 3 more passes per game than Ben.

I think where you'd see the biggest difference is in the redzone...the passing % there might not change dramatically for either, but I think PIT gets more conservative with what they call because their mentality, going back to Cowher, has been "make sure we get 3" rather than "let's go balls out for 7".

[steelclan]

It is Sanders' opinion that BR7 is saddled with a run heavy offense. That offense passed 60% of the time while Sanders was here. So, Nick, I don't really give a shit what Sanders says. I agree with you that what we need is smarter, not more throws. Where's the intermediate throwing?! But 60/40 is being saddled with a rock pounding offense? Hunh?

Nick is right about one thing...60% doesn't mean the same thing from team to team.

A bubble screen is classified a pass, but it is for all purposes an outside running play.

Denver runs bubble screens just as much if not more than PS do.

[steelclan]

Well, if you take sacks into account, Manning attempted 3 more passes per game than Ben.

I think where you'd see the biggest difference is in the redzone...the passing % there might not change dramatically for either, but I think PIT gets more conservative with what they call because their mentality, going back to Cowher, has been "make sure we get 3" rather than "let's go balls out for 7".

Or the fact Denver was absolutely loaded with playmakers in that area. Two huge Wrs, a TE to match any in the NFL not named Gronk or J.Smith, a superb technician of routes in Welker and o yeh a very nice running game and pass catching RBs.

[Steelafan77]

In case you missed it at steelers.com.....

Richard Mann, in his 2nd season as receivers coach, talks about the WRs as camp approaches http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/ ... fd34ce7b18

[jeemie]

It is Sanders' opinion that BR7 is saddled with a run heavy offense. That offense passed 60% of the time while Sanders was here. So, Nick, I don't really give a shit what Sanders says. I agree with you that what we need is smarter, not more throws. Where's the intermediate throwing?! But 60/40 is being saddled with a rock pounding offense? Hunh?

Nick is right about one thing...60% doesn't mean the same thing from team to team.

A bubble screen is classified a pass, but it is for all purposes an outside running play.

Denver runs bubble screens just as much if not more than PS do.

Shit- they did throw short a lot.

[Legacy User]

It was a surprise that Manning threw short so often...those big receivers that supposedly have route and yac problems sure did the trick in Denver...and New Orleans.

[Nick79]

It is Sanders' opinion that BR7 is saddled with a run heavy offense. That offense passed 60% of the time while Sanders was here. So, Nick, I don't really give a shit what Sanders says. I agree with you that what we need is smarter, not more throws. Where's the intermediate throwing?! But 60/40 is being saddled with a rock pounding offense? Hunh?

Nick is right about one thing...60% doesn't mean the same thing from team to team.

A bubble screen is classified a pass, but it is for all purposes an outside running play.

Denver runs bubble screens just as much if not more than PS do.

OK, fine, Denver and the Steelers have the same offense, no difference at all! You can tell because of the % of pass plays alone, Ben has the green light to let it rip as much as Peyton and both are out there trying to run up the score every week. If they exchanged uniforms knowbody would be able to tell.

[V DUB]

The # of plays run is going to skew the %, as well. I wonder what the yearly total of offensive snaps is for both...I'll bet Denver's are greater without looking it up.

[Nick79]

The # of plays run is going to skew the %, as well. I wonder what the yearly total of offensive snaps is for both...I'll bet Denver's are greater without looking it up.

It makes sense that Denver threw less by %, they probably had built big leads with their passing game in a lot of gamesand then just ran a lot late in games, while the Steelers especially early in the season had games where they fell way behind early, like NE and Chicago for expample, where they had to throw way more than they would have wanted to.

[Legacy User]

OK, fine, Denver and the Steelers have the same offense, no difference at all! You can tell because of the % of pass plays alone, Ben has the green light to let it rip as much as Peyton and both are out there trying to run up the score every week. If they exchanged uniforms knowbody would be able to tell.

Is it possible that talent on the field dictates offensive strategy for both teams?

[Legacy User]

The # of plays run is going to skew the %, as well. I wonder what the yearly total of offensive snaps is for both...I'll bet Denver's are greater without looking it up.

It makes sense that Denver threw less by %, they probably had built big leads with their passing game in a lot of gamesand then just ran a lot late in games, while the Steelers especially early in the season had games where they fell way behind early, like NE and Chicago for expample, where they had to throw way more than they would have wanted to.

By using the "probably", is that how you justify it?

[86n96]

It's almost impossible for me to care less about anything Sanders says. Nice to see Nick turning over a new leaf after the reboot, though...good work, Nick.

[jeemie]

The # of plays run is going to skew the %, as well. I wonder what the yearly total of offensive snaps is for both...I'll bet Denver's are greater without looking it up.

Denver ran 8 more plays per game than the Steelers did.

[Legacy User]

The # of plays run is going to skew the %, as well. I wonder what the yearly total of offensive snaps is for both...I'll bet Denver's are greater without looking it up.

Denver ran 8 more plays per game than the Steelers did.

So basically 1 more offensive drive per game...

[jeemie]

The # of plays run is going to skew the %, as well. I wonder what the yearly total of offensive snaps is for both...I'll bet Denver's are greater without looking it up.

Denver ran 8 more plays per game than the Steelers did.

So basically 1 more offensive drive per game...

Yep- not underestimating the importance of that, but you would think that it was more.

[Obviously]

Thanks for the memories Emmanuel. But don't worry. STD loves you.

[V DUB]

The # of plays run is going to skew the %, as well. I wonder what the yearly total of offensive snaps is for both...I'll bet Denver's are greater without looking it up.

Denver ran 8 more plays per game than the Steelers did.

128 plays over the season seems like a decent enough amount to skew the % a bit.