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Officials explain the new rules...

Post by Steelafan77 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:27 pm

The NFL’s replay review process has been expanded in an effort to promote more consistency.

Game referees will now be in contact with a “command center” that will be located in New York City and receive “input” from a league senior official while undergoing reviews, field judge Bob Waggoner said today at Saint Vincent College.

Either NFL Vice President of Officiating Dean Blandino or NFL Senior Director of officiating Alberto Riveron will be available for consultation with a game referee from the command center. The game referee, Waggoner said, will still “ultimately make the call.”


The extra set of eyes in the process is an attempt by the NFL to “develop consistency from game to game,” Waggoner said.

The replay process is still supposed to be completed in 60 seconds.

Waggoner, line judge Tom Stephan, side judge James Coleman and NFL advanced development program official Jonah Monroe have been on campus the past couple of days, attending practices and updating the Steelers on rules changes/clarifications/points of emphasis for 2014.

Among the highlights from a video produced by the NFL that is being shown to the league’s players and coaches:

* It is no longer legal for an offensive blocker to roll up onto the side of the legs of a defender (clipping, 15 yards).

* The game clock will no longer be stopped after a quarterback sack with more than two minutes remaining in a half.

* Recovery of a loose ball in the field of play is now reviewable.

* The stance on unsportsmanlike conduct will be zero tolerance, particularly as it relates to verbal abuse directed specifically at a player or at an official relating to racial slurs or sexual orientation (15-yard penalty, potential discipline).

* Using the ball, pylon, crossbar, goalpost or any other object as a prop as part of a demonstration is also unsportsmanlike conduct.

* Game officials will closely monitor contact to the face that does not pin back an opponent’s head or isn’t prolonged (formerly legal, now illegal hands to the face).

* Game officials will closely monitor contact between receivers and defensive players. Defenders cannot initiate contact with receivers more than 5 yards from the line of scrimmage when the quarterback is in the pocket with the ball. A defender is entitled to an established position beyond 5 yards from the line of scrimmage and can use his hands or arms to defend illegal contact. Grabbing the jersey is defensive holding and will be called. And receivers can use their hands and arms to ward off contact but cannot push off to gain separation.

* Movement on the offensive line will continue to be a point of emphasis. Quick or abrupt action that simulates the start of play is a foul regardless of whether there is a defensive reaction (false start, 5 yards).

* All players other than kickers and punters must wear thigh and knee pads (5-yard penalty, disqualification for repeat offense).

* It is incumbent upon all players to recognize when an opponent is in a defenseless posture and to avoid hitting or blocking them in the head or neck area and avoid using the crown or hairline part of the helmet to make contact anywhere. Defensive players also receive defenseless player protection in certain situations.

* The ball will be placed at the 15-yard line for extra points in the Hall of Fame Game and in the first two weeks of the preseason as an experiment to make the PAT a more competitive play. Two-point conversions will still be attempted from the 2-yard line. http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/ ... 54471962af


Seems there's changes every year. Thought I'd post these so everyone has them fresh in their head for the season.



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Post by chippedhamsandwich » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:54 pm

Steelafan77 wrote:
* Recovery of a loose ball in the field of play is now reviewable.


Finally, very frustrating in the past

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Post by Steelafan77 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:57 pm

Wondering if that would have helped in the GreenBay game on the Clark lateral.

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Post by jebrick » Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:04 pm

* It is no longer legal for an offensive blocker to roll up onto the side of the legs of a defender (clipping, 15 yards).


I thought this was always clipping. As long as the helmet is in front of the defender, a blocker can put their should into their knee.

Unless they are really talking about rolling.

* The stance on unsportsmanlike conduct will be zero tolerance, particularly as it relates to verbal abuse directed specifically at a player or at an official relating to racial slurs or sexual orientation (15-yard penalty, potential discipline).


So do the Redskins get penalized every player for being called the Redskins?
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Post by Legacy User » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:15 am

So if you're going to go for two from the field goal formation, you're going to be doing it from the 15.

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Post by Legacy User » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:17 am

jebrick wrote:
* It is no longer legal for an offensive blocker to roll up onto the side of the legs of a defender (clipping, 15 yards).


I thought this was always clipping. As long as the helmet is in front of the defender, a blocker can put their should into their knee.

Unless they are really talking about rolling.

* The stance on unsportsmanlike conduct will be zero tolerance, particularly as it relates to verbal abuse directed specifically at a player or at an official relating to racial slurs or sexual orientation (15-yard penalty, potential discipline).


So do the Redskins get penalized every player for being called the Redskins?


Hmm, 53 players, 15 yards per player...that's 795 penalty yards to start the game with. That's a lot to overcome.

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Post by V DUB » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:34 am

Poltargyst wrote:So if you're going to go for two from the field goal formation, you're going to be doing it from the 15.



I read they're "experimenting' with it...that is an obvious downside and legit reason too abandon it.

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Post by V DUB » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:36 am

Poltargyst wrote:
jebrick wrote:
* It is no longer legal for an offensive blocker to roll up onto the side of the legs of a defender (clipping, 15 yards).


I thought this was always clipping. As long as the helmet is in front of the defender, a blocker can put their should into their knee.

Unless they are really talking about rolling.

* The stance on unsportsmanlike conduct will be zero tolerance, particularly as it relates to verbal abuse directed specifically at a player or at an official relating to racial slurs or sexual orientation (15-yard penalty, potential discipline).


So do the Redskins get penalized every player for being called the Redskins?


Hmm, 53 players, 15 yards per player...that's 795 penalty yards to start the game with. That's a lot to overcome.


Well played.

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Post by Legacy User » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:08 am

I hate this-

NFL Dickheads wrote:Game referees will now be in contact with a “command center” that will be located in New York City and receive “input” from a league senior official while undergoing reviews, field judge Bob Waggoner said today at Saint Vincent College.


I remember seeing segments in real time from the "command center" in the past...and it seemed they were licking there chops to get involved in real time. If you think people screaming fix was loud last year...wait until they spend an excessive amount of time on the phone with a game changing replay. And you have to figure eyes on every player in every game are going to look to "balance" or achieve there adjustments in real time. So they call for "input" on one thing...and the official not only hears about that but also to watch a certain player...or that he's been missing certain calls. It also flys in the face of keeping replay under 60 seconds.

The extra point thing is dumb as hell imo. There are enough fucking "player safety" changes...leave the fucking game alone where there is no existing problem.

The verbal abuse bullshit is because of the infatuation with "Omaha"...they want to market more sound.

Hands to face adjustment is going amount to face guarding calls imo...add it to the emphasis on the 5 yard zone...and they should call it the Manning lifetime achievement alteration or do you really want to see, " You mad mickey? You're a mediocre mouse...I'm the best, dog! Guess who coming to Disney World, bro?!

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Post by Nick79 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:18 pm

ChippedHamSandwich wrote:
Steelafan77 wrote:
* Recovery of a loose ball in the field of play is now reviewable.


Finally, very frustrating in the past

Really? Me, I want there to be less reviews or none at all. Not more!

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Post by Nick79 » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:20 pm

So you have a rule to keep people for calling Michael Sam any gay slur and now dunking over the crossbar is a penalty.

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Post by Legacy User » Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:44 pm

Nick79 wrote:So you have a rule to keep people for calling Michael Sam any gay slur and now dunking over the crossbar is a penalty.


Michael Sam is not a gay football player. He just happens to be a guy who celebrated the news of him being drafted by kissing his petite, white male friend on national tv.

Don't believe the hype.

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Post by Jobu » Sat Aug 02, 2014 10:57 pm

Just what they need, more Goodell cronies involved in replay. I'm with Nick on this one...replay fucking sucks! Make the call...live with it...move on!

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Post by Nick79 » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:37 pm

Jobus Rum wrote:Just what they need, more Goodell cronies involved in replay. I'm with Nick on this one...replay fucking sucks! Make the call...live with it...move on!


I don't even care if they get it totally wrong and it goes against the Steelers, another totally wrong one would then favor the Steelers at some point. "Getting it 100% Right" is not that important, not to me. In the end it never works anyways! You watch them review and it still doesn't seem right! What they need to do, in reality, is eliminate 50% of the rules at least, make the game as simple as possible, then eliminate replay and just accept EVERY call on the field... I'm sure on this, most would oppose my opinion, but truth is, if they did that, I'd guarantee you watching games would be way more enjoyable.

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Post by V DUB » Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:45 pm

Nick79 wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:Just what they need, more Goodell cronies involved in replay. I'm with Nick on this one...replay fucking sucks! Make the call...live with it...move on!


I don't even care if they get it totally wrong and it goes against the Steelers, another totally wrong one would then favor the Steelers at some point. "Getting it 100% Right" is not that important, not to me. In the end it never works anyways! You watch them review and it still doesn't seem right! What they need to do, in reality, is eliminate 50% of the rules at least, make the game as simple as possible, then eliminate replay and just accept EVERY call on the field... I'm sure on this, most would oppose my opinion, but truth is, if they did that, I'd guarantee you watching games would be way more enjoyable.


If know of one play last year they got wrong, & it resulted in the Steelers watching the PO's from their couch.

Agree that there are way too many subjective rules, though.

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Post by Nick79 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:26 am

VanWilder wrote:
Nick79 wrote:
Jobus Rum wrote:Just what they need, more Goodell cronies involved in replay. I'm with Nick on this one...replay fucking sucks! Make the call...live with it...move on!


I don't even care if they get it totally wrong and it goes against the Steelers, another totally wrong one would then favor the Steelers at some point. "Getting it 100% Right" is not that important, not to me. In the end it never works anyways! You watch them review and it still doesn't seem right! What they need to do, in reality, is eliminate 50% of the rules at least, make the game as simple as possible, then eliminate replay and just accept EVERY call on the field... I'm sure on this, most would oppose my opinion, but truth is, if they did that, I'd guarantee you watching games would be way more enjoyable.


If know of one play last year they got wrong, & it resulted in the Steelers watching the PO's from their couch.

Agree that there are way too many subjective rules, though.


That's OK, and on some other year the Steelers will make it when they shoudn't, it will all equal out over time. And there was replay last year and they still didn't get it right, so what do you want, 100% review of 100% of the plays, 8 hour games with 2 hours of game action and 4 hours of commercials while they review? Forget it, just go back to no replay at all, I'd love that.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:59 am

I want there to be replay because I want there to be some way to fix obvious blown calls. I do not care to live with the Steelers losing a playoff game over a blown call, and I don't really see that evening out over time.

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Post by Nick79 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:05 am

Poltargyst wrote:I want there to be replay because I want there to be some way to fix obvious blown calls. I do not care to live with the Steelers losing a playoff game over a blown call, and I don't really see that evening out over time.


There we can agree, FIX OBVIOUS MISTAKES, I've said they should just have NO CHALLENGES, just a guy in the booth, watch the game and then buzz down to the field if he can see something REALLY, EXTREMELY obviously wrong, like half a guy's foot is out of bounds clearly showing on replay at regular speed and maybe one slow motion view, then give him 60 seconds to decide! if he can't a buzzer sounds, REVIEW OVER! PLAY ON! QUIT BEING A BABY, JUST TAKE IT!

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Post by R_S » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:55 am

Nick79 wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:I want there to be replay because I want there to be some way to fix obvious blown calls. I do not care to live with the Steelers losing a playoff game over a blown call, and I don't really see that evening out over time.


There we can agree, FIX OBVIOUS MISTAKES, I've said they should just have NO CHALLENGES, just a guy in the booth, watch the game and then buzz down to the field if he can see something REALLY, EXTREMELY obviously wrong, like half a guy's foot is out of bounds clearly showing on replay at regular speed and maybe one slow motion view, then give him 60 seconds to decide! if he can't a buzzer sounds, REVIEW OVER! PLAY ON! QUIT BEING A BABY, JUST TAKE IT!


No, they like all the pomp and circumstance of the official trotting over to look at a tiny screen under a black towel......probably so they can fit in more commercials. God forbid they'd have a review official looking at the damn thing on a big HD monitor up in the booth like NCAA.

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Post by R_S » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:57 am

Nick79 wrote:So you have a rule to keep people for calling Michael Sam any gay slur and now dunking over the crossbar is a penalty.


I forgot who it was last year, but someone dunked over the crossbar, hung on the thing too much, and pulled it out of alignment. Delayed the game getting the thing level. That guy ruined it for everyone. That's the only reason they made the rule.

Maybe each stadium should keep a small basketball hook behind the endzone specifically for TD celebrations.

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Post by Nick79 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:19 pm

R S wrote:
I forgot who it was last year, but someone dunked over the crossbar, hung on the thing too much, and pulled it out of alignment. Delayed the game getting the thing level. That guy ruined it for everyone. That's the only reason they made the rule.



I might say also....

"I forgot who it was last year, but some referee went over under the hood, looked at that screen too much, and made us watch 5 minutes of commercials. Delayed the game by watching that thing too long. That guy ruined it for everyone."

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Post by Nick79 » Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:24 pm

R S wrote:
Nick79 wrote:
Poltargyst wrote:I want there to be replay because I want there to be some way to fix obvious blown calls. I do not care to live with the Steelers losing a playoff game over a blown call, and I don't really see that evening out over time.


There we can agree, FIX OBVIOUS MISTAKES, I've said they should just have NO CHALLENGES, just a guy in the booth, watch the game and then buzz down to the field if he can see something REALLY, EXTREMELY obviously wrong, like half a guy's foot is out of bounds clearly showing on replay at regular speed and maybe one slow motion view, then give him 60 seconds to decide! if he can't a buzzer sounds, REVIEW OVER! PLAY ON! QUIT BEING A BABY, JUST TAKE IT!


No, they like all the pomp and circumstance of the official trotting over to look at a tiny screen under a black towel......probably so they can fit in more commercials. God forbid they'd have a review official looking at the damn thing on a big HD monitor up in the booth like NCAA.


The problem I have is that they have gone way beyond fixing the OBVIOUS mistakes. To me, that would be fine, fix anything SUPER OBVIOUS, anything that you CLEARLY SEE with the one or two or three views you have, that you see RIGHT AWAY in less that 60 seconds, without having to slow it down super slow, run it back and forth 27 times and ask for the 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th angles... Yeah sure! FIX THE OBVIOUS MISTAKES, if it's not obvious just accept the judgement. It would improve the game immensely! And for God sakes, get rid of that challenge system! Nothing more irritating than when teams try to run to the line to run a play and beat the challenge flag, that is so stupid.

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:09 pm

I like the challenge system. This way it's the coach's own fault if he gets screwed by a bad call but doesn't challenge. Then there's no complaining from fans about any conspiracies. It's their own coach's fault!

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Post by Legacy User » Mon Aug 04, 2014 11:11 pm

Maybe I should amend that. If it's up to the coach to challenge, then if he decides not to, they don't review, and the game goes on. What I'm not liking is now how there is an automatic review on scores and other plays. Don't have automatic reviews, make the coaches challenge.

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Post by Nick79 » Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:30 pm

Poltargyst wrote:Maybe I should amend that. If it's up to the coach to challenge, then if he decides not to, they don't review, and the game goes on. What I'm not liking is now how there is an automatic review on scores and other plays. Don't have automatic reviews, make the coaches challenge.

Eventually we can have every play reviewed, that we we can strive for 100% perfection, and we'll have 12 hour games with 10 hours of commercials, can't wait! NOT!!!!! :lol: Maybe I'll just become a soccer fan by then and enjoy the 2 hour games with plenty of bad calls on no commercials or stoppages.

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