yikes!! I know a lot of other players were bad as well, I'm the biggest Ben fan out there but I know he wasn't sharp but im not worried about him. Jarvis on the other hand...holy shit he looks awful...im pretty close to declaring him a complete and utter disaster and bust...trying hard to be hopeful, can someone help me out here, any JJ defenders left??
edit..this post could also have been titled Mike Mitchell.
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GreekSteel wrote:yikes!! I know a lot of other players were bad as well, I'm the biggest Ben fan out there but I know he wasn't sharp but im not worried about him. Jarvis on the other hand...holy shit he looks awful...im pretty close to declaring him a complete and utter disaster and bust...trying hard to be hopeful, can someone help me out here, any JJ defenders left??
The best i can do . . . Peters is one of the best pass blocking LT's in the league
that's all i got
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Lifelongsteel wrote:GreekSteel wrote:yikes!! I know a lot of other players were bad as well, I'm the biggest Ben fan out there but I know he wasn't sharp but im not worried about him. Jarvis on the other hand...holy shit he looks awful...im pretty close to declaring him a complete and utter disaster and bust...trying hard to be hopeful, can someone help me out here, any JJ defenders left??
The best i can do . . . Peters is one of the best pass blocking LT's in the league
that's all i got
That's a very valid point actually
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I need to rewatch...obviously isn't a pass rushing demon...but as I said before my recollection is he was playing pretty well until the TD screen...but to tell you the truth I was mostly focused on Heyward getting his ass handed to him.
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I take it when you say he was playing well you mean in terms of setting the edge..as far as splash plays tho, its just non existent. Now I understand every piece of the defense has to be working in concert with one another, but I just don't see him winning 1 v 1 battles very much, not with strength not with speed and not with brains either.
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I remember Evan Mathis being an injury replacement in Cincy for a game against the Steelers a few years back and he came in and kicked Keisel and Hampton's asses. It's too bad we couldn't scout our own division properly. He's one of the top guards in football and is making less than Pouncey and Gilbert, too.
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Jervis sucks.
Slow, weak and stupid. How the fuck he produced in college is beyond me. I said this a few months ago:
I still feel like I could beat him up and I sit at a desk all day.
Slow, weak and stupid. How the fuck he produced in college is beyond me. I said this a few months ago:
Jarvis Jones has the physique of veal.
I still feel like I could beat him up and I sit at a desk all day.
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GreekSteel wrote:I take it when you say he was playing well you mean in terms of setting the edge..as far as splash plays tho, its just non existent. Now I understand every piece of the defense has to be working in concert with one another, but I just don't see him winning 1 v 1 battles very much, not with strength not with speed and not with brains either.
Pretty much...he is using his hands better, you can't block him with a TE, holding up vs Peters is a task...I'm not sure quit is the right word...and I need to rewatch...but everyone bit on that screen TD and they collectively lost poise, technique, mystique of CK's offense, thoughts of unprepared, etc... at that point. I do think he is looking more like a buck then an OLB.
Not to minimize it...but they aren't as bad as they looked...but without some drastic changes they aren't a post season team. And I really don't know what strings Tomlin will try to pull.
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Eagles 2nd string vs Steelers starters
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SP wrote:Eagles 2nd string vs Steelers starters
Disheartening. Getting our asses kicked by the starters is bad. Getting our asses kicked by the 2nd unit is even worse
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Zivco wrote:GreekSteel wrote:I take it when you say he was playing well you mean in terms of setting the edge..as far as splash plays tho, its just non existent. Now I understand every piece of the defense has to be working in concert with one another, but I just don't see him winning 1 v 1 battles very much, not with strength not with speed and not with brains either.
Pretty much...he is using his hands better, you can't block him with a TE, holding up vs Peters is a task...I'm not sure quit is the right word...and I need to rewatch...but everyone bit on that screen TD and they collectively lost poise, technique, mystique of CK's offense, thoughts of unprepared, etc... at that point. I do think he is looking more like a buck then an OLB.
Not to minimize it...but they aren't as bad as they looked...but without some drastic changes they aren't a post season team. And I really don't know what strings Tomlin will try to pull.
Guessing he will remove the Xbox and Playstation from the locker room. He is wavering on Foosball table.
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SP wrote:Eagles 2nd string vs Steelers starters
holy shit that is bad. who is that being blocked 10 yards down the line of scrimmage?
you could literally drive a 18 wheeler through that gaping vagina
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steelcity512 wrote:SP wrote:Eagles 2nd string vs Steelers starters
Disheartening. Getting our asses kicked by the starters is bad. Getting are asses kicked by the 2nd unit is even worse
WOW. I understand the backside because the read option...but if that's Tuitt thats 5 yards off the ball...have to hope it was a double and Shaz is that late...stunt/package Timmons lost in space?
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I didn't think Jarvis was that bad, at least early on. He missed some time too and was probably winded from that and the pace of the Eagles offense. I'm not worried about him
In most fields, if you can increase your production by 100% year over year you are doing pretty damn good.
Lucky for Barnaby he set his bat pretty low last year.
Might even get a 200-300% increase.
Good times.
Lucky for Barnaby he set his bat pretty low last year.
Might even get a 200-300% increase.
Good times.
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If you think Jarvis Jones may be more suited to play buck, just watch him on the Eagles first touchdown. That should dispel any thoughts you might have about converting him to ILB. Bad instincts and play recognition, went the wrong way late, abandoned his area, got caught up in wash.
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bradshaw2ben wrote:If you think Jarvis Jones may be more suited to play buck, just watch him on the Eagles first touchdown. That should dispel any thoughts you might have about converting him to ILB. Bad instincts and play recognition, went the wrong way late, abandoned his area, got caught up in wash.
so did the rest of the fucking defense
Iron_City wrote:I didn't think Jarvis was that bad, at least early on. He missed some time too and was probably winded from that and the pace of the Eagles offense. I'm not worried about him
Yeah, he was probably just "winded."
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Unfortunately we need to lean on the 36 year old beard one more year. He is not a specialist against the run but more stout than Thomas has shown this preseason. You also need to consider giving big Dan a hat on game day. He should be especially helpful in goal line situations.
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Iron_City wrote:bradshaw2ben wrote:If you think Jarvis Jones may be more suited to play buck, just watch him on the Eagles first touchdown. That should dispel any thoughts you might have about converting him to ILB. Bad instincts and play recognition, went the wrong way late, abandoned his area, got caught up in wash.
so did the rest of the fucking defense
right-- but Jarvis had the point of attack and fucked it up five ways from saturday
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SP wrote:Eagles 2nd string vs Steelers starters
And no Steeler is being double team. Second teamers kicked their asses!
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bradshaw2ben wrote:right-- but Jarvis had the point of attack and fucked it up five ways from saturday
That was a package and it was a nice set up...Mccoy stepped up as if in pass pro...while the visually loud "obvious screen" the other way drew everyone over. Jones doesn't play that role often...and hopefully we will be thankful this screen got used up in the preseason.
So I rewatched the first half of the shit show. I understand the disappointment in JJ and JW...sometimes they weren't close to pressure...but by my count every throw except 2...that were close...were out under a three count. Jones wasn't strong on the pass rush...I gave him two pressures and one was verse a TE...but pass rush played a small role in this mess. He did play very well vs the run...especially considering it was verse Peters. I didn't have the stomach for the second half.
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CASTEELER wrote:SP wrote:Eagles 2nd string vs Steelers starters
And no Steeler is being double team. Second teamers kicked their asses!
That really is embarrassing. I know it's only pre season, blah, blah, blah, but fuck. Don't these guys have any pride?
CASTEELER wrote:SP wrote:Eagles 2nd string vs Steelers starters
And no Steeler is being double team. Second teamers kicked their asses!
I remember this play. Made me want to puke. That is Cam Thomas being destroyed and opening that huge hole. Shazier is the LB getting pushed backwards by the second teamers. The holes last night were big enough to drive an 18 wheeler through them.
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Ew.
That looks like playcall more than anything to me, again, bad D call vs. good O call...the D line guys simple can't be blown off the line like that, in any case. How I miss me some Big Snack & Aa Smith...someone called me crazy for wanting #91 retired...NO ONE played 34 DE like that man could. He was a fucking monster & now we're seeing just how special he was.
LeBeau has too adapt, put this team in a position to have success. He's playing the guys with different skillsets in the same roles as the '04-'10 squad with less base. plug the fucking middle with McCullers & tell him to "try & aim for stomach & drive"...it won't matter how many guys are teaming him with his girth.
CASTEELER wrote:SP wrote:Eagles 2nd string vs Steelers starters
And no Steeler is being double team. Second teamers kicked their asses!
Scheme...shmeme. Talent...shmalent! Get off those fucking blocks, make the fucking tackle...2 yard gain. Where's the fucking pride?!?
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they don't get off the blocks because they largely do not have the talent to do so
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bradshaw2ben wrote:they don't get off the blocks because they largely do not have the talent to do so
It doesn't necessarily take an incredible amount of talent to shed a block. It does take some physicality, and will.
Perch, curious...what was the result & down/distance?
Jobus Rum wrote:bradshaw2ben wrote:they don't get off the blocks because they largely do not have the talent to do so
It doesn't necessarily take an incredible amount of talent to shed a block. It does take some physicality, and will.
It takes an incredible amount of talent to shed 320 lbs of jersey grabbing, especially for a linebacker. My concern is big on big getting pushed to the GA/FL line. That's just unacceptable.
