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[955876]

This front office can't see the forest through the trees.

[Old School Steeler]

Let's see how this year's premises that SM is a NT, MW is a 2 WR and Beach is a LT plays out. Let's see how last year's, that JJ would be a legit OLB plays out. Hoping for the best, however if all 4 are undeniably false premises the owner should fire the lot of them. This might be setting up a little like Singletery in SF. A new management team with a good drafting spot and some existing talent that has been mishandled.

[Legacy User]

This front office can't see the forest through the trees.

Then why don't you put your expertise to good use and lay out the roadmap for us

[K_C_]

This front office can't see the forest through the trees.

Then why don't you put your expertise to good use and lay out the roadmap for us

Are you saying 95 is a frustrated pretend internet GM?

Oh the irony!

[Legacy User]

This front office can't see the forest through the trees.

Then why don't you put your expertise to good use and lay out the roadmap for us

Are you saying 95 is a frustrated pretend internet GM?

Oh the irony!

Still better than being a bookstore asst in their Golden years I guess

[K_C_]

Still better than being a bookstore asst in their Golden years I guess

Or a fat jizz mopper living in CLEVELAND, making below minimum wage.

[Legacy User]

Jizz mopper....if not in urban dictionary it needs to be...

[K_C_]

Jizz mopper....if not in urban dictionary it needs to be...

[Legacy User]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... izz+mopper

Scroll down through link to read all definitions...6 is my favorite

[Legacy User]

Kind of funny how he has to make shit up about me and run with it because I've pegged his miserable life to a T

If I lived your miserable existence I'd call others jizzmopper to just to feel better about myself

[Legacy User]

On that note I'm done here

[K_C_]

On that note I'm done here

You are an uber successful jizz mopper!

That's something for you to hang your hat on!

[jeemie]

Kind of funny how he has to make shit up about me...

Quoted for extreme irony.

[955876]

This front office can't see the forest through the trees.

Then why don't you put your expertise to good use and lay out the roadmap for us

Oh I see, we are back to not being able to criticize any coach or FO type again. Is that how the season is going to start? Because if that's the case then expect to be held to the same standard.

Because I see you doing the SAME exact thing. Crying about Ward for two+ years, criticizing Haley etc etc.

Are you actually saying that YOU know more than Tomlin, Colbert, or any of the other 31 GMs that knew Ward was finished?

Are you saying YOU know more than Haley?

If your answer is no (which we all know is the answer) then I don't expect to see a single negative thing from you about personel decisions or play calling.

[Legacy User]

When you say someone can't see the forest through the trees it implies that your vision of the situation is better. Pure criticism without alternatives is nothing more than just being an antagonist. Be warned that offering alternatives sets yourself up for the same criticism.

And why even criticize something you can't prove either way when you claim to supposedly support this team? Or are you just happier being a critic?

[955876]

We are all here to critique, praise, and discuss our team. So get off your high horse.

This front office hasn't don't a good job. The results have been evident.

They've also made plenty of short sided decisions.

Of you don't agree then choose to disagree.

However, I'm free to state my opinion without also having to draw up an entire outline of what I would do or would have done.

I have a job and a life. Not putting in the time that exercise would require just to appease a stranger on a message board. My time is more valuable than that.

Teams that are making more right moves than wrong ones don't go 8-8 back to back while possessing a franchise QB unless blunders are occurring in coaching and/or personnel decisions.

Not sure how you can disagree with that.

And it would be nice to be able to discuss the season, good & bad without you telling others they can't state an opinion unless they "qualify" it etc.

Something you clearly ignore/forget when YOU disagree with the coaches/FO.

I've yet to see your qualifications that justify you being able to disagree with Tomlin, Haley, Colbert, etc.

You can decide how you want things to go. Civil debates would be my choice.

However, if you choose to go down your previous road then be prepared to defend every single opinion you throw out there as well as provide your "qualifications" for being able to even state said opinion.

We all know you won't be able to. So I'd choose option one of I were you.

[955876]

Pure criticism without alternatives

Ummm providing "alternatives" to people who are not in a position to make change is not an alternative, it's just an opinion. Like everything else here. Yours included.

You really think I'm going to waste a day going back over all the ways they have dropped the ball?

Why?

[955876]

And why even criticize something you can't prove either way when you claim to supposedly support this team? Or are you just happier being a critic?

Are you going to apply this to yourself? So I expect we will see no criticism of Haley from you this year right?

Unless of course you have more knowledge than he does. As well as Tomlin who signs off on things.

[Legacy User]

Even though he is a 4th rounder we have no other WRs ahead of him with the size/speed. We really should not be in this mess hoping for a raw player to quickly develop. If colbert was better at drafting we would of not been in this mess. Look at last 2 years JJ was a risk no one ahead of us was interesting in drafting him. And now we hope he develops but it does not look promising. If Colbert would of hit on a Lb last year we could of made a move for the big wr this year. We all will be wanting Bryant to produce in a hurry but we have to remember that he is raw and may never develop. Not to many late round big WR make it in the NFL.

This is a new point.

Here's a look at some WRs taken after Jervis last year.

DeAndre Hopkins
Cordarelle Patterson
Justin Hunter
Robert Woods
Aaron Dobson
Terrence Williams
Marquis Goodwin
(Markus Wheaton)

I personally was hoping last year that we'd get Patterson...a big fast WR.

Only two I'd be interested in Hopkins and Patterson. The rest... meh.

I would add Justin hunter to those 2.

[Jobu]

Teams that are making more right moves than wrong ones don't go 8-8 back to back while possessing a franchise QB unless blunders are occurring in coaching and/or personnel decisions.

Can't really argue with that!

[Legacy User]

We are all here to critique, praise, and discuss our team. So get off your high horse.

This front office hasn't don't a good job. The results have been evident.

They've also made plenty of short sided decisions.
.

Everybody and every team has bad decisions on their resume.

For a front office regime that you say hasn't done a good job, has a record of 143-80 since they started. Six division titles, 3 Superbowl appearances and 2 world championships. Credited with one of the best defenses of the modern era and one of the only 15 win regular seasons in NFL history.

You may not agree with what they've done lately, but that resume speaks for itself

So you might want to rethink how you state that

[randomsteelerfan]

We are all here to critique, praise, and discuss our team. So get off your high horse.

This front office hasn't don't a good job. The results have been evident.

They've also made plenty of short sided decisions.
.

Everybody and every team has bad decisions on their resume.

For a front office regime that you say hasn't done a good job, has a record of 143-80 since they started. Six division titles, 3 Superbowl appearances and 2 world championships. Credited with one of the best defenses of the modern era and one of the only 15 win regular seasons in NFL history.

You may not agree with what they've done lately, but that resume speaks for itself

So you might want to rethink how you state that

This should be stickied. When the Steelers win, everybody praises their consistency and perseverance. As soon as the inevitable ebb & flow of a franchise (8-8 seasons) comes, let's clean house and start over. The front office should be dismantled, they're incompetent imbeciles.

I've followed this site since '07, or so. I don't post cause, frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to debate the daily minutiae. But reading this site has become tedious and tiresome. For all the back patting and congratulations on this boards' aggregate football knowledge, all I see is a bunch of average NFL fans that bitch and moan about their team and think they can do better. You guys are no different than any other fanbase. And it's comical that you don't see it.

[Steelafan77]

Yes we are no different than other fans of other teams. In that we like to win and oh Yes, we hate to lose.

Folks want to muck up the the thread with a pissing contest so be it. Every one has their own perception of what, when, where, why and how. There will always be a debate going on somewhere and that's what makes the cogs turn for this forum.

If you don't like this site and the fans here and very seldom post since lurking from 2007 or so than may I suggest keep lurking and keep your back handed comment to yourself.

Just a random thought there.

[randomsteelerfan]

That's totally fine, Fan. I didn't post to bash. In fact, from what i've read of yours, you seem to be one of the more level headed, even keeled posters. That being said, your response is typical of the thin skin around here.

I only posted cause I.C.'s above response nailed it. If we're all truly Steeler fans, then we all need to keep the big picture in mind. I.C. reminded me of that. This front office has been running things since '01 or '02. They didn't suddenly forget how to operate an NFL team, as so many on here seem to think, sadly.

[Ice]

A few things have changed since 2001.

[Steelafan77]

That's totally fine, Fan. I didn't post to bash. In fact, from what i've read of yours, you seem to be one of the more level headed, even keeled posters. That being said, your response is typical of the thin skin around here.

I only posted cause I.C.'s above response nailed it. If we're all truly Steeler fans, then we all need to keep the big picture in mind. I.C. reminded me of that. This front office has been running things since '01 or '02. They didn't suddenly forget how to operate an NFL team, as so many on here seem to think, sadly.

I just haven't seen much of you so suspected a troll in our midst. Forgive me for my "Thin Skin" it was a jump to conclusion on my behalf and I was out of line. Carry on.

[swissvale72]

We are all here to critique, praise, and discuss our team. So get off your high horse.

This front office hasn't don't a good job. The results have been evident.

They've also made plenty of short sided decisions.
.

Everybody and every team has bad decisions on their resume.

For a front office regime that you say hasn't done a good job, has a record of 143-80 since they started. Six division titles, 3 Superbowl appearances and 2 world championships. Credited with one of the best defenses of the modern era and one of the only 15 win regular seasons in NFL history.

You may not agree with what they've done lately, but that resume speaks for itself

So you might want to rethink how you state that

This should be stickied. When the Steelers win, everybody praises their consistency and perseverance. As soon as the inevitable ebb & flow of a franchise (8-8 seasons) comes, let's clean house and start over. The front office should be dismantled, they're incompetent imbeciles.

I've followed this site since '07, or so. I don't post cause, frankly, I don't have the time or inclination to debate the daily minutiae. But reading this site has become tedious and tiresome. For all the back patting and congratulations on this boards' aggregate football knowledge, all I see is a bunch of average NFL fans that bitch and moan about their team and think they can do better. You guys are no different than any other fanbase. And it's comical that you don't see it.

The bolded phrase sure as fuck is true.

[jeemie]

We are all here to critique, praise, and discuss our team. So get off your high horse.

This front office hasn't don't a good job. The results have been evident.

They've also made plenty of short sided decisions.
.

Everybody and every team has bad decisions on their resume.

For a front office regime that you say hasn't done a good job, has a record of 143-80 since they started. Six division titles, 3 Superbowl appearances and 2 world championships. Credited with one of the best defenses of the modern era and one of the only 15 win regular seasons in NFL history.

You may not agree with what they've done lately, but that resume speaks for itself

So you might want to rethink how you state that

Chuck Noll had the most dominant team in the NFL for 8 seasons...4 Super Bowl titles, 6 AFCCG appearances, 7 division titles, and what was probably the single greatest draft class in history in 1974.

Then the 1980s happened.

How'd his track record help him in the 1980s?

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.

[randomsteelerfan]

Look, I apologize if I offend. Really wasn't my intent. I've LOVED the Steelers since my father first introduced them to me over 40 years ago. This is my favorite place come to get my Steeler fix; in season or out. But, the bitching, moaning and discontent just seems to be ever increasing here. That makes me sad cause it's not as fun for me to browse.

Anyway, I doubt I'll ever post more than a couple times a year. I simply don't have the time. So, I'm know my "site cred" will never be above zero. That doesn't change the fact that I hope everyone here will keep the big picture in mind and remember that the Steelers are at the very top of the greatest NFL franchises list. Be thankful for all the winning, enjoyment and entertainment they've provided. You won't find it anywhere else.

[955876]

We are all here to critique, praise, and discuss our team. So get off your high horse.

This front office hasn't don't a good job. The results have been evident.

They've also made plenty of short sided decisions.
.

Everybody and every team has bad decisions on their resume.

For a front office regime that you say hasn't done a good job, has a record of 143-80 since they started. Six division titles, 3 Superbowl appearances and 2 world championships. Credited with one of the best defenses of the modern era and one of the only 15 win regular seasons in NFL history.

You may not agree with what they've done lately, but that resume speaks for itself

So you might want to rethink how you state that

I'll state it however I like.

Here, they haven't done a good job OF LATE.

Feel better?

We have one if the best QBs in all of football and haven't won a playoff game in 3 seasons.

That's on coaching and personnel decisions. So excuse me for being slightly critical.

And I've been following this team for 35 years so your history lesson was a waste if time. I'm well aware if what they've done in years past.

Further, why do you have such an issue with people being critical? I make one comment bout the FO vs your two year a snibble session about Ward.

Take your own advice dude.

You can't tell me I can't be critical of a FO then cite their accomplishments then complain about that very FO's decisions when YOU don't agree.