OT: Kobe Bryant 4 others Dead in Helicopter Crash
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OT: Kobe Bryant 4 others Dead in Helicopter Crash
"If our team doesn't face enough adversity early on in a season, I create it. Nothing builds a team like adversity." ~ Mike Tomlin
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Fog is really thick and low here the past 24 hours. Don’t know the cause but whatever went wrong it could have been exacerbated by the visibility.
I was not a fan of Kobe’s but it’s harsh to lose a sports icon and a Dad— has a 7 month old daughter who won’t know her father.
I was not a fan of Kobe’s but it’s harsh to lose a sports icon and a Dad— has a 7 month old daughter who won’t know her father.
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And after that tourist copter that went down last week in Hawaii....only way I'll ever be in a helicopter is life flight.
His daughter was with him, too. Horrible.
His daughter was with him, too. Horrible.
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I've had many, many opportunities to fly in helicopters over the years.
Turned all of 'em down.
For a reason.
R.I.P. great one.
Turned all of 'em down.
For a reason.
R.I.P. great one.
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Helicopters aren't supposed to fly. It's basically a brick hanging from rotors. Rotors stop, and you drop like a brick. There is a slight cushion with glide time, but not nearly what it is with a fixed wing aircraft.
This really is an awful thing. I feel horrible for his family and friends. As much as sports fans can debate his contributions to the NBA, it's a real loss. Not only for his family, but sports in general.
It's a sad day.
This really is an awful thing. I feel horrible for his family and friends. As much as sports fans can debate his contributions to the NBA, it's a real loss. Not only for his family, but sports in general.
It's a sad day.
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.
Would people really debate his contributions to the NBA?CORE-TEN wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:16 pmHelicopters aren't supposed to fly. It's basically a brick hanging from rotors. Rotors stop, and you drop like a brick. There is a slight cushion with glide time, but not nearly what it is with a fixed wing aircraft.
This really is an awful thing. I feel horrible for his family and friends. As much as sports fans can debate his contributions to the NBA, it's a real loss. Not only for his family, but sports in general.
It's a sad day.
The guy, whether you like him or the Lakers or not, is one of the greatest to ever lace 'em up.
If you disagree, you're a fucking dumbfuck inbred.
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Was in Kauai last October and had to talk my wife into going on the helicopter tour over the Waimea Canyon and Napali Coast. After the copter went down on essentially the same tour as ours she informed me I wasn't getting her in one again.
After this she told me with more emphasis that she wasn't getting on a helicopter again.
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Nine dead. Unreal.
"If it ain't broke, don't break it"....Charles Oakley
I would never fly on someone's private plane, either, unless they had a professional pilot.beerbrother wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:21 pmAfter this she told me with more emphasis that she wasn't getting on a helicopter again.
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So sad, life's twists and turns. I feel really bad for his surviving family that has to grieve over him and is all too young daughter.
I've flown in a few military helicopters. Once in a chinook over Northern Taiwan when I was a kid. Thought it was the greatest thing ever. A few years ago I was up in a Piper Cub with a friend who is a flight instructor. We were coming in for a landing when he told me we might lose the engine before we touched down.
Longest half minute of my life.
I've flown in a few military helicopters. Once in a chinook over Northern Taiwan when I was a kid. Thought it was the greatest thing ever. A few years ago I was up in a Piper Cub with a friend who is a flight instructor. We were coming in for a landing when he told me we might lose the engine before we touched down.
Longest half minute of my life.
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Saw Mt. Rushmore from a helicopter in '74....was scared as hell.
This is so fuckin' tragic cuz of the 13 year old....just beginning in life.
This is so fuckin' tragic cuz of the 13 year old....just beginning in life.
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I live in Los Angeles. Tonight I feel like I did when Roberto Clemente died, and like I did when John Lennon died. Kobe wad much more than a great ballplayer.
Bummer... Wish AB coulda been up there with him.
Congrats...I've also blocked you now
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Tragic - what a horrible way to die.
I’ve been a Celtics fan for decades....u didn’t have to be a Lakers fan to appreciate Kobe.
Every day is a gift...
RIP to all 9 on board...
I’ve been a Celtics fan for decades....u didn’t have to be a Lakers fan to appreciate Kobe.
Every day is a gift...
RIP to all 9 on board...
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beerbrother wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:21 pmWas in Kauai last October and had to talk my wife into going on the helicopter tour over the Waimea Canyon and Napali Coast. After the copter went down on essentially the same tour as ours she informed me I wasn't getting her in one again.
After this she told me with more emphasis that she wasn't getting on a helicopter again.
Beautiful scenery.
Was in ranks at at a funeral for my retired Lt. when news broke. Died too young.
Life is way too short.
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Here's more info
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... crash.html
You kind of wonder what the conversation was like between the pilot and perhaps Kobe? LAPD grounded air support so you know it was bad out
Didn't the same sort of thing happen with Aaliyah? Pilots told her to not pack so much stuff but she ordered them to fly anyway
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... crash.html
You kind of wonder what the conversation was like between the pilot and perhaps Kobe? LAPD grounded air support so you know it was bad out
Didn't the same sort of thing happen with Aaliyah? Pilots told her to not pack so much stuff but she ordered them to fly anyway
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Man. If they could have fit them in for a landing at the Burbank airport they could have gotten a car to complete the trip
Does make you think what were the conversations while they were circling at Burbank and weren't getting clearance to land. Maybe they just decided to go onto Thousand Oaks because by that time they were running late.
From the article it seems like the crash was more of a sudden impact more than they were having engine or propeller problems or something where the people on board would have had more of a chance to realize something bad was about to happen. That is at least maybe some comfort.
Just crazy
It's like Len Bias and Princess Diana rolled into one
Does make you think what were the conversations while they were circling at Burbank and weren't getting clearance to land. Maybe they just decided to go onto Thousand Oaks because by that time they were running late.
From the article it seems like the crash was more of a sudden impact more than they were having engine or propeller problems or something where the people on board would have had more of a chance to realize something bad was about to happen. That is at least maybe some comfort.
Just crazy
It's like Len Bias and Princess Diana rolled into one
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I'm assuming by the reports that they were "too low" that the pilot was attempting to get under the fog and use his eyes whereas the instruments are telling him "uh that's not a good idea"rooneytunes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:05 pmMan. If they could have fit them in for a landing at the Burbank airport they could have gotten a car to complete the trip
Does make you think what were the conversations while they were circling at Burbank and weren't getting clearance to land. Maybe they just decided to go onto Thousand Oaks because by that time they were running late.
From the article it seems like the crash was more of a sudden impact more than they were having engine or propeller problems or something where the people on board would have had more of a chance to realize something bad was about to happen. That is at least maybe some comfort.
Just crazy
It's like Len Bias and Princess Diana rolled into one
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As I said, the fog was unusually low and heavy yesterday. We were talking about it a few hours before the crash. It's just malpractice to fly in those conditions without instruments/guidance, especially in the mountains.
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the pilot was supposedly certified in IFR. Why he decided to fly by VFR is unknown. A tragedy all around.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:14 pmAs I said, the fog was unusually low and heavy yesterday. We were talking about it a few hours before the crash. It's just malpractice to fly in those conditions without instruments/guidance, especially in the mountains.
I read somewhere that although it's a loss to his family and friends as well as sports fans, women's basketball will suffer also as he was poised to promote and help at the grass roots level.
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Word is, after they finished circling Burbank (unclear if they were thinking about landing or just in air traffic control holding pattern), they were given instructions to follow US 101 toward Thousand Oaks. It appears that the pilot got confused at the interchange with Las Virgenes Road and started following Las Virgenes, which took them towards the ridgeline and the crash site (roughly where the yellow circle is in this screengrab.
Without the yellow lines, you can see how easily the highway and Las Virgenes could be mistaken from the air.
Without the yellow lines, you can see how easily the highway and Las Virgenes could be mistaken from the air.
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Farmers Insurance Open in La Jolla was delayed a few hours yesterday due to fog. If you can’t see your tee shot 5 feet in front of you, imagine trying to pilot a copter’ in that stuff going 160 knots through a mountain range.
Too early to tell, but as B2B said I predict they never should have been wheels up in the first place. Also, contrary to what people think, you can’t just hover in those conditions, without visual reference.
Too early to tell, but as B2B said I predict they never should have been wheels up in the first place. Also, contrary to what people think, you can’t just hover in those conditions, without visual reference.
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The pilot also had no one else in the cockpit-- imagine trying to follow a visual landmark like a highway while piloting and fighting the fog/visibility.
Also, the police in that area grounded their helicopters because they determined weather conditions were below the acceptable safety range.
Also, the police in that area grounded their helicopters because they determined weather conditions were below the acceptable safety range.
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Sad. Tragic. Completely Avoidable. A Great Loss..., of 9 People.
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There is a cloud hanging over So Cal. Very, very sad. I did not know the guy so I am not crying my eyes out but to listen to a few that did (particularly Jerry West in the immediate aftermath) was so absolutely heartbreaking. You never know. Tell your mom you love her. Hug the kids. Buy the wife flowers. Smile at a stranger, before it is to late.
I can't believe the pilot was dumb enough to fly in that which leads me to think the fault of this accident is in the lap of one person...Kobe. He had to have pushed this. Your daughter's basketball game just wasn't that important. It was a retarded move.
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Believe they also said that kind of helicopter SHOULD have 2 pilots in those conditions?bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:43 pmThe pilot also had no one else in the cockpit-- imagine trying to follow a visual landmark like a highway while piloting and fighting the fog/visibility.
Also, the police in that area grounded their helicopters because they determined weather conditions were below the acceptable safety range.
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From everything said of the flying conditions the pilot should have aborted.
Do wonder what influenced his poor decision to make the attempt when even the police deemed it unsafe.
If he knew about the fog can't imagine him flying without having been under pressure from someone.
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Apparently most VIPs who fly the S76 fly with two pilots. If one has a cardiac event or loses consciousness, what then? Is Kobe going to grab the controls?Donnie Brasco wrote: ↑Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:49 pmBelieve they also said that kind of helicopter SHOULD have 2 pilots in those conditions?bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:43 pmThe pilot also had no one else in the cockpit-- imagine trying to follow a visual landmark like a highway while piloting and fighting the fog/visibility.
Also, the police in that area grounded their helicopters because they determined weather conditions were below the acceptable safety range.
The story reeks of “get-there-itis” which is a real problem in private aviation. If the police and news teams aren’t sending their birds up, nobody should be flying until the fog clears.
Aviation accidents often are described as all of the holes in a block of Swiss cheese aligning; everything that needs to go wrong ends up going wrong or all of the holes align. Based on what we know, this accident had some rather large holes.
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