Well. How is everyone doing with this thing? NFL free agency may be only sports happening for a while.

[Kodiak]

Italy also has a much higher smoking rate and an older population. That matters significantly

The blurb I saw was they did a horrible job of isolating patients and protecting their healthcare workers. So it sounds like a lot of already sick people already in the hospital caught the virus from new patients/workers being admitted.

I don't know how accurate that is, but it would definitely explain a lot.

[franco>madden]

My home state of WV is down to the Final Four of no corona virus diagnosis.

Alabama 1 seed
Wyoming 4 seed

West Virginia 2 seed
Montana 3 seed

I got Mountaineers winning it all. Heroine, Homemade Meth, Mountain Dew, Pepperoni Rolls, and Chemicals in your drinking water are great for fighting diseases.

Wow, you nailed it brother! As of Sunday 5pm PDT, West Virginny standing alone atop the national non-infection heap.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html

Or maybe everyone there's already been stricken down and thus nobody's climbed up their telephone pole yet a la Oliver Douglas to report in their illness to Mr. Drucker? And here comes Mr. Haney with a truckload of hand sanitizer and toilet paper available for a limited time at this very reasonable price ...

[jebrick]

[Steelperch]

We have member from all over the country on this site. Does anyone personally know a single person diagnosed with covid19?

[Stlcrtn1974]

We have member from all over the country on this site. Does anyone personally know a single person diagnosed with covid19?

I cant say I do. I also dont know anyone who has been tested yet either which is even more concerning. Most of us will get this and that will be it, like a severe cold or maybe barely any symptoms. But I'm sure all of us know someone who is over 60 or has an underlying condition. Those are the ones who have to worry.
I work in healthcare and my company, which is nationwide, is grossly unprepared just like our government.

If you dont believe anything that they tell you, then go about your life like it was last week. Just don't come back here crying when one of your loved ones is in the hospital parking lot, in a tent, gasping to breath.

[jebrick]

We have member from all over the country on this site. Does anyone personally know a single person diagnosed with covid19?

I know 3 people who might have had it and recovered in St. Louis. Problem is they did not know they had it because of the testing issue. A lot of places will not test someone unless they know they were in contact with someone who tested positive. So unless you have bad symptoms and require a hospital stay, you do not get tested therefore you are not counted as positive and other people around you can't get tested. Thus a circle spreading the virus is continuing.

[Kodiak]

We have member from all over the country on this site. Does anyone personally know a single person diagnosed with covid19?

There's 3700 diagnoses, and last I looked maybe 20k cases "being monitored", which I assume means to be people who have mild symptoms and/or have been in contact with someone who may have contracted it.

24k would be about 0.008% of the population. But it spreads exponentially, and supposedly 1% infected is a tipping point where it then explodes thru the population.

[Quixotic]

I’m pissed bout the Masters.

This is the one that stung the most for me.
I get that the elderly are at greatest risk and make up a large part of the crowd at the Masters, but it's that damn Augusta National pollen that will send you running for the inhaler.
Beautiful course, but brutal for allergy suffers like myself.

Have a relative that works there. They were pretty bummed, said first time not to be played since WWII.

Guy who worked on the grounds crew at Augusta National moved to Upstate South Carolina, next door to where I live to become head groundskeeper of our local country club. It’s a really nice course. And he the job tripled his annual income. Moved into the house next door with his cute wife and precious little baby.

I got to talking with him once about the differences between the two workplaces. He said Augusta National was pretty much of a sweat shop. The members were all racist, sexist, classist jagoff snobs. But the one good thing was that the crew got to play the course the week after the Masters, before they went to work restoring it to it’s expected majesty.

About three years later, dude leaves his wife, his kid, his house…and takes a 67% pay cut to GO BACK TO AUGUSTA NATIONAL and work as a grunt on the grounds crew. Turns out, playing that course once a year is WORTH A LOT.

[stinger8]

Italy also has a much higher smoking rate and an older population. That matters significantly

The blurb I saw was they did a horrible job of isolating patients and protecting their healthcare workers. So it sounds like a lot of already sick people already in the hospital caught the virus from new patients/workers being admitted.

I don't know how accurate that is, but it would definitely explain a lot.

Fucking dagos man... They can't even build supercars right.

Hey TSPP the dagos build the best super-cars, sometimes flawed a bit but always the best looking best sounding most fun to drive.....always. Go to a high end car auction and see which cars bring the biggest dough Erudite car people know whats what

[955876]

This is the one that stung the most for me.
I get that the elderly are at greatest risk and make up a large part of the crowd at the Masters, but it's that damn Augusta National pollen that will send you running for the inhaler.
Beautiful course, but brutal for allergy suffers like myself.

Have a relative that works there. They were pretty bummed, said first time not to be played since WWII.

Guy who worked on the grounds crew at Augusta National moved to Upstate South Carolina, next door to where I live to become head groundskeeper of our local country club. It’s a really nice course. And he the job tripled his annual income. Moved into the house next door with his cute wife and precious little baby.

I got to talking with him once about the differences between the two workplaces. He said Augusta National was pretty much of a sweat shop. The members were all racist, sexist, classist jagoff snobs. But the one good thing was that the crew got to play the course the week after the Masters, before they went to work restoring it to it’s expected majesty.

About three years later, dude leaves his wife, his kid, his house…and takes a 67% pay cut to GO BACK TO AUGUSTA NATIONAL and work as a grunt on the grounds crew. Turns out, playing that course once a year is WORTH A LOT.

Win for you. Now you have cute, neglected, soon to be someone else’s ex-wife living next door.

Yes. I’m a dog...

[Old School]

Let's shut down the economy, another election year crisis. Less than 100 dead pop of 330 million. 2% mortality for those who contract, destroy the economic base for everyone else Fear and loathing, congratulations globalists it's working. But for how long? At some point the complicit .media will need adv revenue. CBS miss the Masters money much? Someone has to stand up.

Based on a mortality rate of 7.5% in Italy (1800 dead 24,000 infected) which WILL be higher in USA due to obesity/food quality etc at the same infection rate in Italy about 10,000 Americans will die. Now Italy quarantined whole geographic areas to get this mortality rate USA cant because some peoples kids have to wrestle and other people are worried about money or watching golf maybe 20,000 people may die but hey if its not me what the fuck??? Old school stand up and tell one of the 10,000 your golf or money were more important than their life

22,000 dead Americans this flu season, less than 200 dead Americans from pandemic Chinese flu and most of those deceased are over 80 and suffering with other ailments. No American under 60 has passed from this virus bioengineered in a Chinese lab. The projected extrapolations from other nations claims are unfounded. We're being snookered, our economy is being slaughtered, we are suffering from the supposed protection, not from the virus.

[Stlcrtn1974]

Let's shut down the economy, another election year crisis. Less than 100 dead pop of 330 million. 2% mortality for those who contract, destroy the economic base for everyone else Fear and loathing, congratulations globalists it's working. But for how long? At some point the complicit .media will need adv revenue. CBS miss the Masters money much? Someone has to stand up.

Based on a mortality rate of 7.5% in Italy (1800 dead 24,000 infected) which WILL be higher in USA due to obesity/food quality etc at the same infection rate in Italy about 10,000 Americans will die. Now Italy quarantined whole geographic areas to get this mortality rate USA cant because some peoples kids have to wrestle and other people are worried about money or watching golf maybe 20,000 people may die but hey if its not me what the fuck??? Old school stand up and tell one of the 10,000 your golf or money were more important than their life

22,000 dead Americans this flu season, less than 200 dead Americans from pandemic Chinese flu and most of those deceased are over 80 and suffering with other ailments. No American under 60 has passed from this virus bioengineered in a Chinese lab. The projected extrapolations from other nations claims are unfounded. We're being snookered, our economy is being slaughtered, we are suffering from the supposed protection, not from the virus.

40 year old non smoker with no underlying health issues is on a ventilator here. It is very contagious with the death rate higher then the flu. I dont get why some of you dont think this is a big deal. I guess if you are selfish asshole then it isnt a big deal. My parents are in their mid 70's, I definitely do not want them getting this. I applaud what dewine has done. Didn't vote for him, but at least he has been proactive instead of pretending that this is a hoax.

[Professor Half Wit]

22,000 dead Americans this flu season, less than 200 dead Americans from pandemic Chinese flu and most of those deceased are over 80 and suffering with other ailments. No American under 60 has passed from this virus bioengineered in a Chinese lab. The projected extrapolations from other nations claims are unfounded. We're being snookered, our economy is being slaughtered, we are suffering from the supposed protection, not from the virus.

You should write for the Onion. This is good stuff.

[bradshaw2ben]

Based on a mortality rate of 7.5% in Italy (1800 dead 24,000 infected) which WILL be higher in USA due to obesity/food quality etc

Italy, and many places, is not testing everyone and so many mild cases are not diagnosed. The actual mortality rate is much lower. And I don't know what's going on with Italy's healthcare, but I think they about double the mortality rate observed anywhere else.

Your point about diet and obesity aside (we also have much better hospitals), Korea provides a better indicator because they've been testing the most people. And there the mortality rate appears closer to 1.0%.

Italy has one of the oldest populations of any country in the world.

[stinger8]

Let's shut down the economy, another election year crisis. Less than 100 dead pop of 330 million. 2% mortality for those who contract, destroy the economic base for everyone else Fear and loathing, congratulations globalists it's working. But for how long? At some point the complicit .media will need adv revenue. CBS miss the Masters money much? Someone has to stand up.

Based on a mortality rate of 7.5% in Italy (1800 dead 24,000 infected) which WILL be higher in USA due to obesity/food quality etc at the same infection rate in Italy about 10,000 Americans will die. Now Italy quarantined whole geographic areas to get this mortality rate USA cant because some peoples kids have to wrestle and other people are worried about money or watching golf maybe 20,000 people may die but hey if its not me what the fuck??? Old school stand up and tell one of the 10,000 your golf or money were more important than their life

22,000 dead Americans this flu season, less than 200 dead Americans from pandemic Chinese flu and most of those deceased are over 80 and suffering with other ailments. No American under 60 has passed from this virus bioengineered in a Chinese lab. The projected extrapolations from other nations claims are unfounded. We're being snookered, our economy is being slaughtered, we are suffering from the supposed protection, not from the virus.

Oooops
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/yo ... li=AAggNb9

[jebrick]

Based on a mortality rate of 7.5% in Italy (1800 dead 24,000 infected) which WILL be higher in USA due to obesity/food quality etc

Italy, and many places, is not testing everyone and so many mild cases are not diagnosed. The actual mortality rate is much lower. And I don't know what's going on with Italy's healthcare, but I think they about double the mortality rate observed anywhere else.

Your point about diet and obesity aside (we also have much better hospitals), Korea provides a better indicator because they've been testing the most people. And there the mortality rate appears closer to 1.0%.

Italy has one of the oldest populations of any country in the world.

The problem is one of hospital beds and ventilators. Their hospitals are so overwhelmed that they are not treating patients over 80. They have to make that call to give limited resources to others. That is what the US is trying to avoid with the closings. It will make the pandemic last longer but lower the numbers admitted to the hospitals to a manageable amount.

After watching the crowded beaches in Clearwater Florida yesterday, I would tell any senior citizen living there to get in the car and get the hell out.

[Pabst]

The problem is one of hospital beds and ventilators. Their hospitals are so overwhelmed that they are not treating patients over 80. They have to make that call to give limited resources to others. That is what the US is trying to avoid with the closings. It will make the pandemic last longer but lower the numbers admitted to the hospitals to a manageable amount.

After watching the crowded beaches in Clearwater Florida yesterday, I would tell any senior citizen living there to get in the car and get the hell out.

The good news is that the USA actually has significantly more critical care capacity than Europe, and somewhere around 3x the capacity of Italy.

[jebrick]

https://sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United ... &_zl=w9pb6

The Medical system will still be overwhelmed if 5% of the people that get the beer flu need respirators and beds. There just are not enough in cities. As of the last census, Miami-Dade was 16% senior citizens. Out of 2.752M people that is 454,080 and that is old data. Do you think Miami-Dade has 100,000 ICU units? Probably much less

[steelclan]

The problem is one of hospital beds and ventilators. Their hospitals are so overwhelmed that they are not treating patients over 80. They have to make that call to give limited resources to others. That is what the US is trying to avoid with the closings. It will make the pandemic last longer but lower the numbers admitted to the hospitals to a manageable amount.

After watching the crowded beaches in Clearwater Florida yesterday, I would tell any senior citizen living there to get in the car and get the hell out.

The good news is that the USA actually has significantly more critical care capacity than Europe, and somewhere around 3x the capacity of Italy.

I'd be real curious to see your source on that, FWIW:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... pital_beds

On ICU capacity this backs up your assumption:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccar ... fd540d7f86

[steelclan]

https://sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United ... &_zl=w9pb6

The Medical system will still be overwhelmed if 5% of the people that get the beer flu need respirators and beds. There just are not enough in cities. As of the last census, Miami-Dade was 16% senior citizens. Out of 2.752M people that is 454,080 and that is old data. Do you think Miami-Dade has 100,000 ICU units? Probably much less

New York and I'm sure more states will follow (some already have) have already begun converting places into hospital rooms, like the NYU dorms.

[COR-TEN]

Italy has 60M. The USA around 330M. Hospitals here are at 70% capacity. If the stats bear out, this country is WOEFULLY unprepared for a pandemic. And that's not even taking into consideration the lack of ventilators. The USA is 2 weeks behind Italy, and they just reported 475 deaths. Overnight. And reports are coming out that the young and healthy are susceptible to the virus as well as the elderly and immuno-compromised.

This is no joke. And to think the CDC and the FDA told seattle researches to keep quiet about this in january, and gov. officials telling the gullible public that this is no worse than the common flu. The USA is so far behind the curve it's pathetic.

[Pabst]

I'd be real curious to see your source on that, FWIW:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... pital_beds

On ICU capacity this backs up your assumption:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccar ... fd540d7f86

You.....literally just answered your own question. I said Critical Care beds. The wikipedia link is hospital beds. The 2nd link is exactly what I was referring to.

[Pabst]

https://sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United ... &_zl=w9pb6

The Medical system will still be overwhelmed if 5% of the people that get the beer flu need respirators and beds. There just are not enough in cities. As of the last census, Miami-Dade was 16% senior citizens. Out of 2.752M people that is 454,080 and that is old data. Do you think Miami-Dade has 100,000 ICU units? Probably much less

454,080 is more than double the current number of cases world wide.

The current infection rate in Italy is .05%. Let's assume that triples and the infection rate becomes .15% of the population. Applying that number to Miami-Dade, it's a total infected population of 4,128. 5% of that population is just over 200 people.

[steelclan]

https://sccm.org/Blog/March-2020/United ... &_zl=w9pb6

The Medical system will still be overwhelmed if 5% of the people that get the beer flu need respirators and beds. There just are not enough in cities. As of the last census, Miami-Dade was 16% senior citizens. Out of 2.752M people that is 454,080 and that is old data. Do you think Miami-Dade has 100,000 ICU units? Probably much less

454,080 is more than double the current number of cases world wide.

The current infection rate in Italy is .05%. Let's assume that triples and the infection rate becomes .15% of the population. Applying that number to Miami-Dade, it's a total infected population of 4,128. 5% of that population is just over 200 people.

This pure speculation based #s being released by Govs we should suddenly trust? Come on now.

There is absolutely no way to know the # of infected until we get comprehensive testing & there most certainly is not comprehensive testing worldwide. Not even close.

We need to social distance, do all we can to avoid adding going out unless absolutely necessary & treat any numbers we see w/a huge grain of salt.

My wife works for Kaiser here in CA. They already trying to persuade retired Doctors/Nurses to come work. They are running out of beds, cancelling appointments, don't have near enough tests, masks, gloves or PPE in general & we've barely touched the edge of this thing.

Instead of trying to minimize this? We need to be working towards minimizing its impact.

[Pabst]

This pure speculation based #s being released by Govs we should suddenly trust? Come on now.

There is absolutely no way to know the # of infected until we get comprehensive testing & there most certainly is not comprehensive testing worldwide. Not even close.

We need to social distance, do all we can to avoid adding going out unless absolutely necessary & treat any numbers we see w/a huge grain of salt.

My wife works for Kaiser here in CA. They already trying to persuade retired Doctors/Nurses to come work. They are running out of beds, cancelling appointments, don't have near enough tests, masks, gloves or PPE in general & we've barely touched the edge of this thing.

Instead of trying to minimize this? We need to be working towards minimizing its impact.

But there is comprehensive testing in some locations (South Korea) and they aren't close to some of the doomsday scenario predictions that are out there. I work for a health system and we just had Missouri's first reported death yesterday, so I'm well aware of what's happening.

My issue is public officials claiming millions of people will need hospitalization, which is an absurd estimate. I'm not trying to minimize anything, I'm trying to dispute some of the extreme overreaction that I'm seeing.

Wash your hands, avoid leaving your house unless necessary, and quarantine yourself if you're ill. At the end of this, we'll be fine.

[COR-TEN]

Instead of trying to minimize this? We need to be working towards minimizing its impact.

Lives over money? In a country that is based on commoditizing health care, I don't have much hope that it will be any different than Italy. Regardless of demographics. The USA is following the same curve as all of europe. It might be worse considering many still don't have insurance, and many are afraid of going anywhere for treatment when the price tag will financially screw them. Money is not an issue in Europe as far as getting care. It's ventilators and available beds. The USA hasn't even scratched the surface in regard to how this will affect americans, never mind american businesses.

[COR-TEN]

This pure speculation based #s being released by Govs we should suddenly trust? Come on now.

There is absolutely no way to know the # of infected until we get comprehensive testing & there most certainly is not comprehensive testing worldwide. Not even close.

We need to social distance, do all we can to avoid adding going out unless absolutely necessary & treat any numbers we see w/a huge grain of salt.

My wife works for Kaiser here in CA. They already trying to persuade retired Doctors/Nurses to come work. They are running out of beds, cancelling appointments, don't have near enough tests, masks, gloves or PPE in general & we've barely touched the edge of this thing.

Instead of trying to minimize this? We need to be working towards minimizing its impact.

But there is comprehensive testing in some locations (South Korea) and they aren't close to some of the doomsday scenario predictions that are out there. I work for a health system and we just had Missouri's first reported death yesterday, so I'm well aware of what's happening.

My issue is public officials claiming millions of people will need hospitalization, which is an absurd estimate. I'm not trying to minimize anything, I'm trying to dispute some of the extreme overreaction that I'm seeing.

Wash your hands, avoid leaving your house unless necessary, and quarantine yourself if you're ill. At the end of this, we'll be fine.

I think it's premature to call it overreaction. I firmly believe in the precautionary principal. If we overreact and get over it, great. if we don't overreact and it gets worse as a result, then it was the wrong approach. I think Fauci said more or less the same thing. As they say, better safe than sorry. Hoarding tp on the other hand . . . is just stupid. I think the idea is to worry when people don't worry. That doesn't mean panic, it just means being pragmatic and prudent.

[Donnie Brasco]

Italy has 60M. The USA around 330M. Hospitals here are at 70% capacity. If the stats bear out, this country is WOEFULLY unprepared for a pandemic. And that's not even taking into consideration the lack of ventilators. The USA is 2 weeks behind Italy, and they just reported 475 deaths. Overnight. And reports are coming out that the young and healthy are susceptible to the virus as well as the elderly and immuno-compromised.

This is no joke. And to think the CDC and the FDA told seattle researches to keep quiet about this in january, and gov. officials telling the gullible public that this is no worse than the common flu. The USA is so far behind the curve it's pathetic.

Italy also has one of the more denser populations in the world.
Also one of the oldest:
http://world.bymap.org/MedianAge.html

Age plus people in close proximity? That's an easy recipe for a pandemic to hit a country HARD

[Pabst]

I think it's premature to call it overreaction.

To date, South Korea has tested 295,000 people, and they have returned a positive rate of 2.88%.

Applying that infection rate to the entire US population equates to 1,000,000 people total. And that doesn't even factor in selection bias in testing.

An estimated 80% of infected people will experience only mild symptoms, so even in a worst case scenario, we're looking at 200,000 people requiring hospitalization nation wide. When the Washington Post is estimating that 5x that number of people will require a hospital, I call it an overreaction.

My issue isn't with taking precautions and preparing for the worst. It's with outlets failing at basic math and scaring people.

[jebrick]

I think it's premature to call it overreaction.

To date, South Korea has tested 295,000 people, and they have returned a positive rate of 2.88%.

Applying that infection rate to the entire US population equates to 1,000,000 people total. And that doesn't even factor in selection bias in testing.

An estimated 80% of infected people will experience only mild symptoms, so even in a worst case scenario, we're looking at 200,000 people requiring hospitalization nation wide. When the Washington Post is estimating that 5x that number of people will require a hospital, I call it an overreaction.

My issue isn't with taking precautions and preparing for the worst. It's with outlets failing at basic math and scaring people.

They also jumped on it way earlier and almost had total containment except for one old lady who infected over 1000 people. And that overloaded their medical facilities in one city. The US is not testing nearly enough. If the data from China is predictive there are about 3-6x the number of people with it than test positive. I will get a citation for that when I change computers.

Point is, many in the US have not taken or are not taking this seriously. The crowded beaches in Florida yesterday are proof. By estimates we are matching the Italy curve rather than the China curve and we are two weeks behind the Italy curve.