And It Begins... Players Opting Out

[Kodiak]

James Washington activated from covid/reserve list.

[Havoc]

I have a different view on this.

I have believed for months there will never be a magic vaccine that makes covid disappear and when we do get a vaccine it will be more placebo than effective (kind of like knowing there is a flu vaccine)

Depression releases toxins in the body. Toxins over time causes health problems, shortens life spans.

We have to start taking a different view on what success is. We have to expect patches of outbreaks and address them as they come up all while continuing to push thru and keep living as much as possible.

MLB had some issues... ok they are still playing. They might be able to finish and if they can that will be a great success.

Make adjustments for those in high risk, some might not be able to coach at all.

I'm done with the mostly isolation (except when I have had my son thru all of this) and I'm going to start getting out and doing more (which I already have)

Health is NOT about whether you have covid or not, cancer or not, the flu or not, whatever or not, health it's EVERYTHING that encompasses mental and emotional well being.

Living a passive life for a man is very destructive on health.

I went to a local haircut place this morning, first time since the pandemic. I got there when the doors opened. I wore a mask, the employees wore masks. I got the haircut, when finished I took a shot of hand sanitizer. I was the only patron there since I got there when their doors opened. Came home and took a shower. No problem. Continued working from home.

2 guys that own a small business, a health club, set up all their equipment outside which apparently is what they did for months with zero issues. Health starts with 1. What you consume. 2. Physical activity. Those guys are heroes, they acted responsibly and were doing a great service to the health in this country. Maggot politicians shut them down. This has to stop, this has to change and it's going to.

You're not posting some radical manifesto, here. You're basically proclaiming that you're doing what the public health folks are telling us to do. Limit exposure. Wear a mask when you can't be six feet apart. It's the dumbfucks who are taking no measures and not wearing masks that are screwing us all. It's these dumb fucks that are causing spikes and subsequent lockdowns. Maggot politicians? Ok. Don't forget the maggot dumb fucks who think liberty means acting like a moron.

People who cannot well rule themselves need laws. Those who can rule themselves well do not. They are laws unto themselves.

I meant a different view from what I am reading from many on the board and in this thread (unless I am misunderstanding) and many still in the country IMO including some horrible horrible people in politics.

A baseball team has an outbreak and I see shock on the board (unless I am misunderstanding). This needs to change. We need to change our expectations and view on what success is.

A small number of players are opting out of the NFL (getting paid to do nothing)... Yes... And?

IMO there is a reasonable chance of MLB finishing and the NFL finishing if people are smart and responsible.

[Kodiak]

IMO there is a reasonable chance of MLB finishing and the NFL finishing if people are smart and responsible (panick is not equal to responsible).

I think my take is bubbles work - not a single positive in the NBA in over 3 weeks. And it might be premature, but what MLB is doing also appears to work IF players/teams follow the guidelines. BIG BIG question on how PIT will comply - Tomlin doesn't exactly have a great track record on running a tight ship.


But, IMO, college sports has no chance. Campuses are a petri dish and students are not going to social distance. Will be very interesting to see how successful UT's ban on house parties is.

[Havoc]

IMO there is a reasonable chance of MLB finishing and the NFL finishing if people are smart and responsible (panick is not equal to responsible).

I think my take is bubbles work - not a single positive in the NBA in over 3 weeks. And it might be premature, but what MLB is doing also appears to work IF players/teams follow the guidelines. BIG BIG question on how PIT will comply - Tomlin doesn't exactly have a great track record on running a tight ship.


But, IMO, college sports has no chance. Campuses are a petri dish and students are not going to social distance. Will be very interesting to see how successful UT's ban on house parties is.

College campuses are a cesspool of young and dumb.

I have a nephew that has been practicing with his varsity football team (he's 6'4" and runs the hurdles in track). They are wearing masks.

How about NFL players wearing masks during practice and games? (if this is the plan then I missed it)

[Professor Half Wit]

IMO there is a reasonable chance of MLB finishing and the NFL finishing if people are smart and responsible (panick is not equal to responsible).

I think my take is bubbles work - not a single positive in the NBA in over 3 weeks. And it might be premature, but what MLB is doing also appears to work IF players/teams follow the guidelines. BIG BIG question on how PIT will comply - Tomlin doesn't exactly have a great track record on running a tight ship.


But, IMO, college sports has no chance. Campuses are a petri dish and students are not going to social distance. Will be very interesting to see how successful UT's ban on house parties is.

THIS. Be generous and say 70% of students will behave responsibly (70% is unrealistic). That leaves 30% who will act like dumbasses. There is no way.

[Kodiak]

THIS. Be generous and say 70% of students will behave responsibly (70% is unrealistic). That leaves 30% who will act like dumbasses. There is no way.

It MIGHT work if classes were virtual and only fall athletes were allowed on campus. But even that would probably flop because you're still talking hundreds of athletes, some of whom are going to have parties and generally ignore guidelines.

Although, theoretically, it's a bubble with all students having to quarantine and pass a test before coming onto campus. Except with the entire student body, you'll have people "sneaking" outside the bubble and eventually bringing the virus on campus.

Will be an interesting experiment. Contact tracing can be effective to contain outbreaks if your case numbers are low enough.

[jebrick]

My kid's schools have mandatory mask wearing. A lot better than what was shown in Georgia. I still think it is a mater of time before they have an outbreak.

[SteelPro]

I have a different view on this.

I have believed for months there will never be a magic vaccine that makes covid disappear and when we do get a vaccine it will be more placebo than effective (kind of like knowing there is a flu vaccine)

Depression releases toxins in the body. Toxins over time causes health problems, shortens life spans.

We have to start taking a different view on what success is. We have to expect patches of outbreaks and address them as they come up all while continuing to push thru and keep living as much as possible.

MLB had some issues... ok they are still playing. They might be able to finish and if they can that will be a great success.

Make adjustments for those in high risk, some might not be able to coach at all.

I'm done with the mostly isolation (except when I have had my son thru all of this) and I'm going to start getting out and doing more (which I already have)

Health is NOT about whether you have covid or not, cancer or not, the flu or not, whatever or not, health it's EVERYTHING that encompasses mental and emotional well being.

Living a passive life for a man is very destructive on health.

I went to a local haircut place this morning, first time since the pandemic. I got there when the doors opened. I wore a mask, the employees wore masks. I got the haircut, when finished I took a shot of hand sanitizer. I was the only patron there since I got there when their doors opened. Came home and took a shower. No problem. Continued working from home.

2 guys that own a small business, a health club, set up all their equipment outside which apparently is what they did for months with zero issues. Health starts with 1. What you consume. 2. Physical activity. Those guys are heroes, they acted responsibly and were doing a great service to the health in this country. Maggot politicians shut them down. This has to stop, this has to change and it's going to.

You're not posting some radical manifesto, here. You're basically proclaiming that you're doing what the public health folks are telling us to do. Limit exposure. Wear a mask when you can't be six feet apart. It's the dumbfucks who are taking no measures and not wearing masks that are screwing us all. It's these dumb fucks that are causing spikes and subsequent lockdowns. Maggot politicians? Ok. Don't forget the maggot dumb fucks who think liberty means acting like a moron.

People who cannot well rule themselves need laws. Those who can rule themselves well do not. They are laws unto themselves.

I meant a different view from what I am reading from many on the board and in this thread (unless I am misunderstanding) and many still in the country IMO including some horrible horrible people in politics.

A baseball team has an outbreak and I see shock on the board (unless I am misunderstanding). This needs to change. We need to change our expectations and view on what success is.

A small number of players are opting out of the NFL (getting paid to do nothing)... Yes... And?

IMO there is a reasonable chance of MLB finishing and the NFL finishing if people are smart and responsible.

Baseball had two separate outbreaks with a significant number of players involved. Marlins was more than 2/3 the roster. The Cardinals almost half. The schedules of 6 teams were affected. And it took less than a week into the season for a crisis to emerge. Not sure how anyone can down play the significance of that. The only real saving grace was no opposing players appeared to come down with the rona. The Phillies had a clubhouse attendant and a coach, but no players. Had that happened it would have been game over.

[COR-TEN]

Question I have :

Lets assume the season starts. There are many bumps along the way. Some players are quarantined, some teams shut down for two weeks, others lose star players and go on losing streaks. The season actually reaches the playoffs, and the steelers win the super bowl.

How would fans react to that? It would have a massive asterisk, and the sports world would be debating the legitimacy of the seventh title.

[SteelPro]

BTW, Cards vs Cubs game canceled tonight. Another player for the Cards tested positive today. They had no positives since Monday, on track to finally get back on the field today, and now the clock resets. St. Louis last played on 7/29. Fucking disaster.

[Kodiak]

How would fans react to that? It would have a massive asterisk, and the sports world would be debating the legitimacy of the seventh title.

Still more legit than NE's titles.

[SteelPro]

How would fans react to that? It would have a massive asterisk, and the sports world would be debating the legitimacy of the seventh title.

Still more legit than NE's titles.

Imagine the nightmare of a Cam Newton led Patriots defeating a CoVID ravaged Steelers roster in the AFC championship.

[Kodiak]

Imagine the nightmare of a Cam Newton led Patriots defeating a CoVID ravaged Steelers roster in the AFC championship.

I don't know what the all the protocols are, but you better have some way to do a rapid test on game day. Just saying, don't be surprised if a number of star players have mysterious false positives the night before playing NE....

[Havoc]

You're not posting some radical manifesto, here. You're basically proclaiming that you're doing what the public health folks are telling us to do. Limit exposure. Wear a mask when you can't be six feet apart. It's the dumbfucks who are taking no measures and not wearing masks that are screwing us all. It's these dumb fucks that are causing spikes and subsequent lockdowns. Maggot politicians? Ok. Don't forget the maggot dumb fucks who think liberty means acting like a moron.

People who cannot well rule themselves need laws. Those who can rule themselves well do not. They are laws unto themselves.

I meant a different view from what I am reading from many on the board and in this thread (unless I am misunderstanding) and many still in the country IMO including some horrible horrible people in politics.

A baseball team has an outbreak and I see shock on the board (unless I am misunderstanding). This needs to change. We need to change our expectations and view on what success is.

A small number of players are opting out of the NFL (getting paid to do nothing)... Yes... And?

IMO there is a reasonable chance of MLB finishing and the NFL finishing if people are smart and responsible.

Baseball had two separate outbreaks with a significant number of players involved. Marlins was more than 2/3 the roster. The Cardinals almost half. The schedules of 6 teams were affected. And it took less than a week into the season for a crisis to emerge. Not sure how anyone can down play the significance of that. The only real saving grace was no opposing players appeared to come down with the rona. The Phillies had a clubhouse attendant and a coach, but no players. Had that happened it would have been game over.

Is it the only saving grace? How is everyone doing?

I recall a story not too long ago about a covid party, a group of people purposely partied with a known covid carrier. The story was, 1 got sick and the person who got sick said he now knows it's not a joke.

Why is that the only story? Maybe it should also be a story that, all those people from the party are now fine.

It's not realistic to think there won't be outbreaks and the fact the vast majority turn out ok should be part of the story.

Don't get me wrong, covid is much much much much worse than the flu but this is what we have in our new reality and it's imperative we are mindful of all the data as we move forward.

[stillthere]

Question I have :

Lets assume the season starts. There are many bumps along the way. Some players are quarantined, some teams shut down for two weeks, others lose star players and go on losing streaks. The season actually reaches the playoffs, and the steelers win the super bowl.

How would fans react to that? It would have a massive asterisk, and the sports world would be debating the legitimacy of the seventh title.

As far as I can tell the 82 and 87 Redskins superbowls don't have any taint to them. They are just as an organization labeled as 3x champions.

[SteelPro]

Baseball had two separate outbreaks with a significant number of players involved. Marlins was more than 2/3 the roster. The Cardinals almost half. The schedules of 6 teams were affected. And it took less than a week into the season for a crisis to emerge. Not sure how anyone can down play the significance of that. The only real saving grace was no opposing players appeared to come down with the rona. The Phillies had a clubhouse attendant and a coach, but no players. Had that happened it would have been game over.

Is it the only saving grace? How is everyone doing?

I recall a story not too long ago about a covid party, a group of people purposely partied with a known covid carrier. The story was, 1 got sick and the person who got sick said he now knows it's not a joke.

Why is that the only story? Maybe it should also be a story that, all those people from the party are now fine.

It's not realistic to think there won't be outbreaks and the fact the vast majority turn out ok should be part of the story.

Don't get me wrong, covid is much much much much worse than the flu but this is what we have in our new reality and it's imperative we are mindful of all the data as we move forward.

Recoveries have nothing to do with whether a sports league can manage disease transmission during a pandemic. That is the only story of relevance here because if leagues can't do that the games don't get played. No one expects perfection. Eventually someone will get sick. But if you can't manage the sport in such a way that prevents entire teams from being infected with COVID, or worse yet COVID spreads during on field action, then game over. It is the only story that matters here.

[Havoc]

Baseball had two separate outbreaks with a significant number of players involved. Marlins was more than 2/3 the roster. The Cardinals almost half. The schedules of 6 teams were affected. And it took less than a week into the season for a crisis to emerge. Not sure how anyone can down play the significance of that. The only real saving grace was no opposing players appeared to come down with the rona. The Phillies had a clubhouse attendant and a coach, but no players. Had that happened it would have been game over.

Is it the only saving grace? How is everyone doing?

I recall a story not too long ago about a covid party, a group of people purposely partied with a known covid carrier. The story was, 1 got sick and the person who got sick said he now knows it's not a joke.

Why is that the only story? Maybe it should also be a story that, all those people from the party are now fine.

It's not realistic to think there won't be outbreaks and the fact the vast majority turn out ok should be part of the story.

Don't get me wrong, covid is much much much much worse than the flu but this is what we have in our new reality and it's imperative we are mindful of all the data as we move forward.

Recoveries have nothing to do with whether a sports league can manage disease transmission during a pandemic. That is the only story of relevance here because if leagues can't do that the games don't get played. No one expects perfection. Eventually someone will get sick. But if you can't manage the sport in such a way that prevents entire teams from being infected with COVID, or worse yet COVID spreads during on field action, then game over. It is the only story that matters here.

I will stand by my position and say expecting no outbreaks is not realistic and ignoring outcome is ignoring data.

[El Kabong]

Question I have :

Lets assume the season starts. There are many bumps along the way. Some players are quarantined, some teams shut down for two weeks, others lose star players and go on losing streaks. The season actually reaches the playoffs, and the steelers win the super bowl.

How would fans react to that? It would have a massive asterisk, and the sports world would be debating the legitimacy of the seventh title.

I think it's legit because every team is having to deal with it.

[El Kabong]

I meant a different view from what I am reading from many on the board and in this thread (unless I am misunderstanding) and many still in the country IMO including some horrible horrible people in politics.

A baseball team has an outbreak and I see shock on the board (unless I am misunderstanding). This needs to change. We need to change our expectations and view on what success is.

A small number of players are opting out of the NFL (getting paid to do nothing)... Yes... And?

IMO there is a reasonable chance of MLB finishing and the NFL finishing if people are smart and responsible.

Baseball had two separate outbreaks with a significant number of players involved. Marlins was more than 2/3 the roster. The Cardinals almost half. The schedules of 6 teams were affected. And it took less than a week into the season for a crisis to emerge. Not sure how anyone can down play the significance of that. The only real saving grace was no opposing players appeared to come down with the rona. The Phillies had a clubhouse attendant and a coach, but no players. Had that happened it would have been game over.

Is it the only saving grace? How is everyone doing?

I recall a story not too long ago about a covid party, a group of people purposely partied with a known covid carrier. The story was, 1 got sick and the person who got sick said he now knows it's not a joke.

Why is that the only story? Maybe it should also be a story that, all those people from the party are now fine.

It's not realistic to think there won't be outbreaks and the fact the vast majority turn out ok should be part of the story.

Don't get me wrong, covid is much much much much worse than the flu but this is what we have in our new reality and it's imperative we are mindful of all the data as we move forward.

I've heard stories like that where the people actually died. People dying just from the arrogance/stupidity of not taking simple precautions is the problem.

[jebrick]

I've heard stories like that where the people actually died. People dying just from the arrogance/stupidity of not taking simple precautions is the problem.

Herman Cain

[El Kabong]

I've heard stories like that where the people actually died. People dying just from the arrogance/stupidity of not taking simple precautions is the problem.

Herman Cain

I had him in mind.

[SteelPro]

The Pirates upcoming series with St. Louis has been cancelled. A few of the Cardinals symptoms were severe enough to send them to the ER.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 331485001/

[Havoc]

The Pirates upcoming series with St. Louis has been cancelled. A few of the Cardinals symptoms were severe enough to send them to the ER.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 331485001/

Last winter I got sick, went to IR, got fluids. That in and of itself is not that big of a deal although it's pretty miserable.

And yes I know dehydration can be dangerous.

[SteelPro]

The Pirates upcoming series with St. Louis has been cancelled. A few of the Cardinals symptoms were severe enough to send them to the ER.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 331485001/

Last winter I got sick, went to IR, got fluids. That in and of itself is not that big of a deal although it's pretty miserable.

And yes I know dehydration can be dangerous.

You are conflating issues. It might not be that big a deal in the grand scheme of things for people to get ill, need to go to the hospital, eventually recover fully. But we are talking about professional sports and the impact on competitiveness and scheduling in the here and now.

[Kodiak]

But we are talking about professional sports and the impact on competitiveness and scheduling in the here and now.

Some players will get sick and miss time. No different than injuries. If a guy went out to a bar and caught it, not really that different than if he played a game of pick-up bball and twisted an ankle.

Players getting sick is going to have a lot to do with the choices they make, and those around them, off the field.

[Havoc]

The Pirates upcoming series with St. Louis has been cancelled. A few of the Cardinals symptoms were severe enough to send them to the ER.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/m ... 331485001/

Last winter I got sick, went to IR, got fluids. That in and of itself is not that big of a deal although it's pretty miserable.

And yes I know dehydration can be dangerous.

You are conflating issues. It might not be that big a deal in the grand scheme of things for people to get ill, need to go to the hospital, eventually recover fully. But we are talking about professional sports and the impact on competitiveness and scheduling in the here and now.

I don't think I am conflating.

What those ER visits entail can have impact on the season for MLB so the nature of those ER visits is relevant data.

[Kodiak]

What those ER visits entail can have impact on the season for MLB so the nature of those ER visits is relevant data.

I think what we had in baseball is players on a couple of teams didn't take the precautions that seriously, not unlike many 20-30 somethings throughout the country when things started to re-open.

So we'll see what happens the rest of MLB now that they all got the wake-up call.

[COR-TEN]

No different than injuries.

Um, no.

Injuries occur as a result of physical activity. The virus is russian roulette. It may affect some different than others. One guy might recover in 5 days. Another might take 6 weeks. Or more. Or might recover with side effects. Specific injuries have prescribed recovery time. C19 doesn't.

[Kodiak]

No different than injuries.

Um, no.

Injuries occur as a result of physical activity. The virus is russian roulette. It may affect some different than others. One guy might recover in 5 days. Another might take 6 weeks. Or more. Or might recover with side effects. Specific injuries have prescribed recovery time. C19 doesn't.

And some injuries take guys out for days, weeks, an entire season or even career-ending.

When they step on the field, there's not much more they can do to mitigate their injury risk. But they have choices off the field that can make a huge difference in their risk of getting the virus.

[Havoc]

No different than injuries.

Um, no.

Injuries occur as a result of physical activity. The virus is russian roulette. It may affect some different than others. One guy might recover in 5 days. Another might take 6 weeks. Or more. Or might recover with side effects. Specific injuries have prescribed recovery time. C19 doesn't.

1 in 6 chance you die in Russian Roulette. Not a good analogy.

Listing 3 scenarios is uninformative.

Saying "maybe you will maybe you won't" which you've also used before sounds like a 50/50 proposition.

The data indicates, chances are slim of something terrible happening if you catch corona unless you are in high risk category. This is hardly Russian Roulette.