Tomlin post game

[Legacy User]

Anyone have the # of "obviously" he dropped at press conference?

Double digits?

[FortyThree]

Actually, it's perfectly valid. I noticed your overly redundant "Why are you surprised?" comments in the game thread today. It's fairly obvious that Tomlin will never do anything to make you happy until he resigns

You're very observant. Congratulations.

If you tell me that you thought that we'd keep that lead after the half, you're lying.

It's a trend with Tomlin.

I couldn't give a shit what he says at pressers. He's shown time and time again that he doesn't learn from his mistakes... even 8 years later.

Change the defensive coordinator then, he's directly responsible for the defense being terrible. Are you in favor of firing Lebeau?

[randomsteelerfan]

Actually, it's perfectly valid. I noticed your overly redundant "Why are you surprised?" comments in the game thread today. It's fairly obvious that Tomlin will never do anything to make you happy until he resigns

You're very observant. Congratulations.

If you tell me that you thought that we'd keep that lead after the half, you're lying.

It's a trend with Tomlin.

I couldn't give a shit what he says at pressers. He's shown time and time again that he doesn't learn from his mistakes... even 8 years later.

27-3 against the Brownies and Brian Hoyer? Of course I thought we'd keep the fucking lead. If you thought we wouldn't, then You're just a miserable curmudgeon. Up 27-3 on that team and I'm betting the house on a Steeler win every time.

I'm not defending the guy. It's pretty close to a make or break season for him. But to bitch about his post game comments is silly

[86n96]

"It’s fundamental. Every time the ball is snapped it’ an opportunity. It’s a clean slate. We can’t tote baggage. We can’t do it when things are positive, we can’t do it when things are negative. It’s about playing good, fundamental football and guys delivering timely plays. And you have to take some calculated risk."

Is that what he really said?

What a bunch of crap.

Yep.

actually, it was right on point. how many times did jarvis slump his shoulders and hang his head after a play, only to have it carry to the next. you have to have a short memory in the NFL, or you're done. done done.

[CASTEELER]

The fake punt took balls and maybe saved the game.

But carryon with the whining.

The fake punt was one of those calls that was great in hindsight, but idiotic if it failed or even if we knew what was about to happen before it succeeded.

I'll take it, but if it fails, we lose the game almost certainly.

I said it in another thread, I don't think the fake was called from the sideline. I think it was an "audible" when the browns failed to cover the gunner.

Yes, Charlie Batch on his show said Robert Golden made the call after there was no one covering the gunners.

[Legacy User]

Are you in favor of firing Lebeau?

Yes

[Steelafan77]

Since I'm pretty good at hind sight. IMO if the fake punt wasn't the call there and they do punt the ball at worse they're down a FG and tie it at the end and go over time.

[Legacy User]

We punt there and I believe we lose.

It took balls.

Flipped the field.

Definitely took balls. I think the likelihood of losing is higher if we fail on the fake punt than if we punt, and making it so far down the field probably did not increase our odds of winning by more than failing increased our odds of losing, which makes it a bad risk by definition.

But totally hypothetical. It worked, I'll take it, but we are all calling for Tomlins head if it failed.

this analysis is facile.

What it doesn't include is an analysis of the chances of success of that fake punt, esp. in the formation presented by the defense.

Since they chose not to play close to the LOS against our gunners, the chances of success for the fake punt dramatically increased. It was a "gimme", if you will, in those circumstances.

If it were a fake punt that involved the up back taking the snap and running 5 yards successfully, then I would say the odds of success would have been much much lower.

The bottom line is, your hypothetical in bold above, for probability analysis, is way too simplistic to be helpful.

[Legacy User]

Are you in favor of firing Tomlin?

Yes

I corrected that for you.

[Legacy User]

Actually, it's perfectly valid. I noticed your overly redundant "Why are you surprised?" comments in the game thread today. It's fairly obvious that Tomlin will never do anything to make you happy until he resigns

You're very observant. Congratulations.

If you tell me that you thought that we'd keep that lead after the half, you're lying.

It's a trend with Tomlin.

I couldn't give a shit what he says at pressers. He's shown time and time again that he doesn't learn from his mistakes... even 8 years later.

How True!

[bradshaw2ben]

[quote="CASTEELER[/quote]
Yes, Charlie Batch on his show said Robert Golden made the call after there was no one covering the gunners.[/quote]
But then Tomlin's was asked in press conference if he called it and I believe he said 'yes'.

[Steelafan77]

[quote="CASTEELER]Yes, Charlie Batch on his show said Robert Golden made the call after there was no one covering the gunners.[/quote]

But then Tomlin's was asked in press conference if he called it and I believe he said 'yes'.[/quote][/quote]

Tomlin did. Its in print at steelers.com

[FortyThree]

Golden had the option to throw it to either guy if they were uncovered so in essence, Golden decided who to throw it to but the decision to do it was Tomlin's.

[randomsteelerfan]

Golden had the option to throw it to either guy if they were uncovered so in essence, Golden decided who to throw it to but the decision to do it was Tomlin's.

Absolutely. Not even sure why this being discussed. If anyone thinks the punt unit has free reign to make calls like that they're delusional.

Tomlinson said, " Make the read. If it's there, you have the green light to make the call." Simple. Same scenario in every sport.

[R_S]

The fake punt took balls and maybe saved the game.

But carryon with the whining.

ya...I was in stunned disbelief it happened..then happy..what a gutsy call..

Tomlin was probably as surprised as you on the sideline.

[swissvale72]

Golden had the option to throw it to either guy if they were uncovered so in essence, Golden decided who to throw it to but the decision to do it was Tomlin's.

Absolutely. Not even sure why this being discussed. If anyone thinks the punt unit has free reign to make calls like that they're delusional.

Tomlinson said, " Make the read. If it's there, you have the green light to make the call." Simple. Same scenario in every sport.

Meaning that's his standing order to Golden? Or in that particular spot?

[FortyThree]

Golden had the option to throw it to either guy if they were uncovered so in essence, Golden decided who to throw it to but the decision to do it was Tomlin's.

Absolutely. Not even sure why this being discussed. If anyone thinks the punt unit has free reign to make calls like that they're delusional.

Tomlinson said, " Make the read. If it's there, you have the green light to make the call." Simple. Same scenario in every sport.

Meaning that's his standing order to Golden? Or in that particular spot?

That spot. He made the decision to fake it. All Golden had to do was make a decision on who to throw to.

[Steelperch]

The Browns were crowding the line with 10 men on punt returns trying to get a block or pull the gunners in. The Steelers recognized it and finally called the fake and burned them on it. Tomlin said he's the one who called it.

[Legacy User]

There is no chance in hell that the players on the field have the authority to do a fake punt from their own 20. If they did that without Tomlin's direct permission, he would kill them. Of course the fake punt came from Tomlin.

[Legacy User]

There is no chance in hell that the players on the field have the authority to do a fake punt from their own 20. If they did that without Tomlin's direct permission, he would kill them. Of course the fake punt came from Tomlin.

+1
It would definitely be a "fireable offense" for Rob Golden.

[Legacy User]

Still have no fucking idea what Cleveland was thinknjng on that. It wasn't a missed assignment, both gunners uncovered and the CBs tried to drop back into position after the snap. Poor poor coaching decision

[Gonzo]

I am not in the Mike Tomlin fan club But, taking anything from these pressers other than Bullshit Bingo is pointless.
They are all horrible for all coaches

[Legacy User]

I am not in the Mike Tomlin fan club But, taking anything from these pressers other than Bullshit Bingo is pointless.
They are all horrible for all coaches

Agreed, and most of the people who bitch about his pressers offer the same stupid bullshit analysis they accuse Tomlin of

[swissvale72]

There isn't a single coach in the NFL that says a lot to the media after the game. People saying his comments are "a bunch of shit" are apparently stupid.

It's quite clear he said that the no-huddle caused problems (it did). That they caused some problems of their own (they did). And that they let poor performance on one drive hinder their play on the next drive. I think for a lot of guys this meltdown shit is in their heads. As soon as things start going wrong, they get tight. There's no swagger or cockiness that they'll ultimately come through. It makes sense too when you look at past performance.

Tomlin can tell his team not to dwell on the past all he wants but it's human nature and he can't think for these guys. Getting angry because Tomlin doesn't live up to your expectation of whatever the fuck you want him to say is stupid. It's people looking for a reason to hate the guy.

Nothing that Tomlin could say could change the outcome anyway, so why the fuck does anyone care how he says it?

What's crazy is that you think that this is valid

Check out the latest Bill Belichick presser. They're predictable, and they're classic...."didn't play well enough, didn't coach well enough," repeat 'til people stop asking. Funny thing, no offense intended Forty-Three, as you're a member of the 4th estate, is that media gets pissed at Belichick, feeling as though he owes them more. Belichick feels as though he owes them nothing.

[swissvale72]

We punt there and I believe we lose.

It took balls.

Flipped the field.

Definitely took balls. I think the likelihood of losing is higher if we fail on the fake punt than if we punt, and making it so far down the field probably did not increase our odds of winning by more than failing increased our odds of losing, which makes it a bad risk by definition.

But totally hypothetical. It worked, I'll take it, but we are all calling for Tomlins head if it failed.

It worked and made up for taking the penalty that almost put the offense on the 1 foot line. Even Fouts was stunned over that one.

Just 'cuz Fouts was stunned doesn't make it the wrong call. Frankly, i was relieved that Pettine didn't trot Cundiff out in that spot, 'cuz Cundiff can make it from that distance. Taking the penalty insured that the Browns weren't going to change their minds. Also....punters can put it inside the five just about as effectively from the 35 as they can from the 40...not like that never happens.

[Legacy User]

One minute it's turtle ball...the next minute same people are as risk averse as an actuary on a game saving fake punt call.

Good coaching to recognize the weakness...big cajones to have a S lob a pass to a CB...