Steelers trade with Seahawks for cornerback
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This could be a great move, but it moves Sutton inside. Ahkello Witherspoon is not a slot.
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He was a UFA this year so him signing reportedly results in us losing our 5th round comp pick that we were expected to receive from Matt Feiler leaving. Colbert has been a bit care free in shipping out draft picks this off season.
Wonder if it is James Washington?
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EDIT: This does cost the Steelers in the comp formula, because Seattle just signed him this offseason. They'll get a comp pick if they don't re-sign after 2021, but it is rather costly for a player that might have been released.steelcountry wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:59 pmHe was a UFA this year so him signing reportedly results in us losing our 5th round comp pick that we were expected to receive from Matt Feiler leaving. Colbert has been a bit care free in shipping out draft picks this off season.
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That'd be just about the best-case scenario. Better than losing a pick, I think.
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Takes care of the second biggest need. Now if we can trade for an offensive line we’ll be set
This says they are not sold on Pierre, and Sutton on the boundary, and I understand why.
Pierre is unproven, and let’s be honest…Sutton was pretty bad in the preseason.
Full disclosure…I know zippo about this Witherspoon guy…
Pierre is unproven, and let’s be honest…Sutton was pretty bad in the preseason.
Full disclosure…I know zippo about this Witherspoon guy…
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Cost us our 5th round pick in the 2023 NFL Draft.
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I think actually it says: Joe Haden is having his last go-round. The AW of 2020 would be Steelers' CB1. We'll see if he plays like that but Witherspoon-Pierre could be the outside CBs in 2022.
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This is good news, as Mike Tomlin is incapable of coaching secondary players.
he started 4 games last season on a mediocre defense. I don’t know if we look at him as a starter, but i would believe Colbert wants to go into a season with three guys we are comfortable starting at any position pair (OT, OLB, DE, CB, etc), and maybe we only felt there were two starting caliber outside guys. Certainly an acceptable salary.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:31 pmI think actually it says: Joe Haden is having his last go-round. The AW of 2020 would be Steelers' CB1. We'll see if he plays like that but Witherspoon-Pierre could be the outside CBs in 2022.
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Ahkello - Clearly doesn’t pass Rons name test, but is this guy any good? I know nothing about him.
Layne finally almost off the roster?
I think he blows
Let’s get Joseph on 53 (unless I missed that)
I think he blows
Let’s get Joseph on 53 (unless I missed that)
Reviewing my notesThrillsseeker wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:41 pmAhkello - Clearly doesn’t pass Rons name test, but is this guy any good? I know nothing about him.
Appears to be first Ahkello on Steelers ever
D-/F on Ron first name test
Now about offensive tackle so Ben survives past the first game….
Current projected draft picks for next year:
1st
2nd
3rd
3rd (for losing Dupree)
7th (from the Jets)
7th
Not a lot to work with if we're worried about that whole "maybe we need a new QB" thing.
1st
2nd
3rd
3rd (for losing Dupree)
7th (from the Jets)
7th
Not a lot to work with if we're worried about that whole "maybe we need a new QB" thing.
*reserves the right to roots for losses*
Well we can’t scream trade for this, trade for that and then whine we have no draft leverage. It sucks, but…there it is.
Washington’s a pretty good football player. Might not be great, but he’s pretty good.bradshaw2ben wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:15 pmThat'd be just about the best-case scenario. Better than losing a pick, I think.
Likely better than any recent 5th round picks but I’d need to see a list.
Just checked. Loudermilk this year. Zach Gentry, Marcus Allen, Jaylen Samuels and Brian Allen.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Yep. He'll cost us a 2022 comp 5th and our 2023 5th. If he works out this year, that's the equivalent of spending a 6th on him this past draft, with maybe throwing in a 7th to move up a little in the 6th to select him. Not that bad really -- again if he works out.
I know he was viewed as a very similar player to Richard Sherman comping out of college. I've watched him some and I know he's had some injuries, too. He's got elite height, length, hops and speed. He's very much a press man player -- zone is not his thing/strength. Not only in this a hedge against Haden not coming back next year, it may also be a hedge against him falling off the father time cliff this year.
I wonder if this means T Austin and 'ol Mikey T want to play some serious press/man with Spoon and Pierre/Haden and then send some serious Blitzburgh this year? It sure would make sense.
I wonder if they plan on getting Ingram on the field with Watt and Highsmith? Man, could you imagine the damage a heavy dose of pass rush from Heyward, Tuitt (if healthy/motivated), Highsmith, Watt, and Ingram (looping in/out) could do to any QB, much less a young one? Sack and turnover city here we come. Yes, please!
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While I know these are just highlights and Spoon has probably had many more bad ones -- especially of the missed tackles type, you can see the serious talent is there. I know he's dealt with a decent amount of injury and maybe that's why several teams have soured on him.
I'm really interested in seeing what their plans are for him. Has T Austin had any CB's he's coached with similar physical traits? If so, how did they fair?
Anyway...enjoy....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THhhEOKgV7s
Well, looks like the NFL won't allow me to post the YouTube video directly here. Or, I'm doing something wrong, which could very well be the case.
Click on the link if you're interested; the vids only about 3 mins long.
I'm really interested in seeing what their plans are for him. Has T Austin had any CB's he's coached with similar physical traits? If so, how did they fair?
Anyway...enjoy....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THhhEOKgV7s
Well, looks like the NFL won't allow me to post the YouTube video directly here. Or, I'm doing something wrong, which could very well be the case.
Click on the link if you're interested; the vids only about 3 mins long.
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I don't think this trade is to replace James Pierre. I think the Steelers didn't like Haden's agent saying Joe was going to test the market, and gave him a hint that everyone is replaceable. I wouldn't be surprised if Joe replaces his agent. He likes it here in Pittsburgh. Doug Farrar wrote today on the NFL Wire that the Steelers may use him in the slot, even though that is not what he was in San Francisco or Seattle. Farrar believe that better suits his skillset. He is apparently very quick, and turns on a dime. His length give him and advantage on shorter passes. This should be a kick in the pants for Layne as well.
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Now Dale Lolley is reporting his sources say it will not affect the Steelers' 2022 comp pick formula, so that's good.
Also, they won't advance any vested vets from practice squad to 53 until the last minute, which avoids the whole "guarantee their season salary" thing... from what I hear.
Also, they won't advance any vested vets from practice squad to 53 until the last minute, which avoids the whole "guarantee their season salary" thing... from what I hear.
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A seahawks fan forum generally says he's good in coverage (press), and can hold his own against decent WR's. He supposedly lacks physicality/ not a superb tackler. Injuries are a problem.
But it's interesting that in the span of a few days the steelers added a safety and a CB. Almost ten days left until buffalo. I wonder if they'll go after a vet O lineman. A backup ILB and a RB for depth?
But it's interesting that in the span of a few days the steelers added a safety and a CB. Almost ten days left until buffalo. I wonder if they'll go after a vet O lineman. A backup ILB and a RB for depth?
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The report I saw said if Haeg does not play 1/4 of the snaps this year then he will not count for a signing and they will keep the 5th for Feiler.
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I had heard Lynch felt the same wayRoeth2Rudolph wrote: ↑Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:37 pmThere's nothing to worry about w/ Rudolph in the fold.
I am okay with this trade.
Quick, tell me somebody, outside of Willie Gay and Clark Haggans, name me another 5th round pick by Colbert that ever amounted to anything???''
With the exception of perhaps Isaiah Loudermilk this past draft, in which Colbert traded up with a future 4th as well, where are all of these decent, good, great 5th round picks??
Loudermilk, though extremely early, does look like a future starter. Name me another starter in 22 drafts? You can't find anybody else, it is damn hard to find any other 5th round pick that even got significant snaps as a part time player. Jesse James?? He wasn't a starter, just the #2 TE for a time.
So, maybe analytically Colbert and company said hey we suck in the 5th round, why not trade these 5th round picks for established players?
Quick, tell me somebody, outside of Willie Gay and Clark Haggans, name me another 5th round pick by Colbert that ever amounted to anything???''
With the exception of perhaps Isaiah Loudermilk this past draft, in which Colbert traded up with a future 4th as well, where are all of these decent, good, great 5th round picks??
Loudermilk, though extremely early, does look like a future starter. Name me another starter in 22 drafts? You can't find anybody else, it is damn hard to find any other 5th round pick that even got significant snaps as a part time player. Jesse James?? He wasn't a starter, just the #2 TE for a time.
So, maybe analytically Colbert and company said hey we suck in the 5th round, why not trade these 5th round picks for established players?
If you read the old scouting reports on Witherspoon it goes something like this:
Elite size and length but also has the speed and altheliticism to be a very good press CB. Although for a long CB his short shuttle and 3 cone was very good too and his vertical was 40 inches.
The negatives? Like many CBs these days not what you want in terms of being a tackler against the run. Some even scouted him as being terrible as a tackler, horrible against the run.
In looking at his pass coverage the past 3 years, yeah, I see he gave up 15 TDs, but guess what, Haden and Nelson both gave up 12 TDs the past 3 years.
There was a need for a big CB who also had speed to match up on that vertical threat. We simply didn't have that player on the roster.
Haden is old an slow. Pierre, I love him but he is only a 4.55-4.60 guy at best, he is still capable of being a very good CB. But Witherspoon has that legitimate 4.45 speed to run with those deep threats, and the arm length and vertical leap to attack those deep passes as well.
Elite size and length but also has the speed and altheliticism to be a very good press CB. Although for a long CB his short shuttle and 3 cone was very good too and his vertical was 40 inches.
The negatives? Like many CBs these days not what you want in terms of being a tackler against the run. Some even scouted him as being terrible as a tackler, horrible against the run.
In looking at his pass coverage the past 3 years, yeah, I see he gave up 15 TDs, but guess what, Haden and Nelson both gave up 12 TDs the past 3 years.
There was a need for a big CB who also had speed to match up on that vertical threat. We simply didn't have that player on the roster.
Haden is old an slow. Pierre, I love him but he is only a 4.55-4.60 guy at best, he is still capable of being a very good CB. But Witherspoon has that legitimate 4.45 speed to run with those deep threats, and the arm length and vertical leap to attack those deep passes as well.
