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Post by COR-TEN » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:01 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:21 am
Jobu wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:17 pm
Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:10 pm


:lol: :lol: :lol:
And there are folks that think this guy has a future as TV football analyst! :lol:
And there are folks who actually think this guy is some kind of wordsmithing rhetorical genius.
I'm glad you posted that because I feel the same.


Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

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Post by Deebo » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:13 pm

fractalsteel wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:52 pm
Kodiak. wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 pm
Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:54 pm
And does anyone know who abducted Malik Reed?
My honest answer? Teflon Tomlin manages to make the simple unnecessarily complicated.
A lot of players have been AWOL on defense the past month.

Here are Reed's snap counts

Patriots-45
Stains-57
Jets-37
Bullies-32

I don't remember a significant play in those games.
We've said this billions of times; if your scheme relies on 1 player, then your scheme sucks.

Have they tried sending Reed starting from the edge to a middle stunt to get pressure? How about Highsmith?
Nope, it's the same wide loop rush for both EDGE guys on every passing play...

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm

COR-TEN wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:01 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:21 am
Jobu wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:17 pm


And there are folks that think this guy has a future as TV football analyst! :lol:
And there are folks who actually think this guy is some kind of wordsmithing rhetorical genius.
I'm glad you posted that because I feel the same.
Walt Whitman or Wallace Stevens is a wordsmith. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.

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Post by DP39 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:28 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 pm
Orangesteel wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 5:54 pm
And does anyone know who abducted Malik Reed?
My honest answer? Teflon Tomlin manages to make the simple unnecessarily complicated.
That's exactly where the word "baffle" in the line "baffle 'em with bullshit" comes into play.

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Post by o'donnell » Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:50 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm
COR-TEN wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:01 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:21 am


And there are folks who actually think this guy is some kind of wordsmithing rhetorical genius.
I'm glad you posted that because I feel the same.
Walt Whitman or Wallace Stevens is a wordsmith. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
Well gee, I wonder why the suburbanites worship him so much then???

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Post by fractalsteel » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:07 pm

Deebo wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:13 pm
fractalsteel wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:52 pm
Kodiak. wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:14 pm


My honest answer? Teflon Tomlin manages to make the simple unnecessarily complicated.
A lot of players have been AWOL on defense the past month.

Here are Reed's snap counts

Patriots-45
Stains-57
Jets-37
Bullies-32

I don't remember a significant play in those games.
We've said this billions of times; if your scheme relies on 1 player, then your scheme sucks.

Have they tried sending Reed starting from the edge to a middle stunt to get pressure? How about Highsmith?
Nope, it's the same wide loop rush for both EDGE guys on every passing play...
Yup, this D is vanilla.
Playing a lot of cover 2 which puts Edmunds in a position to fail. His weakness.

You are right about the PR.
Where are the overloads? Or blitzing up the A gap?
I have seen Bush on a delayed blitz, what 3-4 times this year and they always have him loop around end.
The D needs a new leader(coach) and a big infusion of talent at all three levels.
Can't trust Watt(not a shot at him) to stay healthy.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm

Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:50 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm
COR-TEN wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:01 pm
I'm glad you posted that because I feel the same.
Walt Whitman or Wallace Stevens is a wordsmith. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
Well gee, I wonder why the suburbanites worship him so much then???
Because they lack a liberal education and only cared about vocational skill?

Joking aside, let's try again: Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison are wordsmiths. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.

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Post by o'donnell » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:21 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm
Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:50 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm


Walt Whitman or Wallace Stevens is a wordsmith. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
Well gee, I wonder why the suburbanites worship him so much then???
Because they lack a liberal education and only cared about vocational skill?

Joking aside, let's try again: Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison are wordsmiths. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
I could care less about verbal BS.

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Post by Quixotic » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:37 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm
Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:50 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm


Walt Whitman or Wallace Stevens is a wordsmith. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
Well gee, I wonder why the suburbanites worship him so much then???
Because they lack a liberal education and only cared about vocational skill?

Joking aside, let's try again: Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison are wordsmiths. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
A lot of what is wrong with … well, a lot of things, is the lack of liberal education and a misunderstanding of the role of liberal education.

Ask a lot of physicians, attorneys, CPAs, and middle managers what education is for, and they will say it’s to give ME an advantage in getting a great (high paying) job, and building a successful (wealth accumulating ) career. While those are nice (acceptable) objectives, they are not the purpose of higher education.

The most certain way to make a lot of money and build a lot of wealth is to acquire a skill set for which people are willing to pay a lot of money. While this certainly includes things like electrician, plumber, and tool maker, the money-making aspects of many of what are considered “professions” are actually vocational in nature. Preparing tax returns consistent with prevailing tax codes. Writing contracts consistent with best practices and prevailing contract law. Performing knee and hip replacements, using the best and latest technology and techniques. Filling prescriptions accurately. In my case, writing engaging and compelling advertising copy, using variations on standard grammar, resulting in desired consumer behavior.

Although many of those require rigorous training, licensing, and years of learning under others (sort of like apprenticeship in a suit), they are essentially “vocational skills.” You can do all that without the mind stretching, meta cognition, critical thought, self questioning, global thinking, methodical logic, and empathy instilled by the common experience and transformative effect of liberal education. What we cannot do without that effect is create and maintain a civilized society.

And we end up with a 12-year-old making $18 Million to catch a ball, getting all pissy because people don’t like it when he fails to catch the ball. Why would we expect him to behave like an educated adult. He’s a child with highly-specialized vocational training.

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Post by Professor Half Wit » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:46 pm

Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:21 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm
Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:50 pm


Well gee, I wonder why the suburbanites worship him so much then???
Because they lack a liberal education and only cared about vocational skill?

Joking aside, let's try again: Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison are wordsmiths. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
I could care less about verbal BS.
Unbless you're posting it, of course. :mrgreen:
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Post by Professor Half Wit » Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:48 pm

Quixotic wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:37 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm
Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:50 pm


Well gee, I wonder why the suburbanites worship him so much then???
Because they lack a liberal education and only cared about vocational skill?

Joking aside, let's try again: Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison are wordsmiths. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
A lot of what is wrong with … well, a lot of things, is the lack of liberal education and a misunderstanding of the role of liberal education.

Ask a lot of physicians, attorneys, CPAs, and middle managers what education is for, and they will say it’s to give ME an advantage in getting a great (high paying) job, and building a successful (wealth accumulating ) career. While those are nice (acceptable) objectives, they are not the purpose of higher education.

The most certain way to make a lot of money and build a lot of wealth is to acquire a skill set for which people are willing to pay a lot of money. While this certainly includes things like electrician, plumber, and tool maker, the money-making aspects of many of what are considered “professions” are actually vocational in nature. Preparing tax returns consistent with prevailing tax codes. Writing contracts consistent with best practices and prevailing contract law. Performing knee and hip replacements, using the best and latest technology and techniques. Filling prescriptions accurately. In my case, writing engaging and compelling advertising copy, using variations on standard grammar, resulting in desired consumer behavior.

Although many of those require rigorous training, licensing, and years of learning under others (sort of like apprenticeship in a suit), they are essentially “vocational skills.” You can do all that without the mind stretching, meta cognition, critical thought, self questioning, global thinking, methodical logic, and empathy instilled by the common experience and transformative effect of liberal education. What we cannot do without that effect is create and maintain a civilized society.

And we end up with a 12-year-old making $18 Million to catch a ball, getting all pissy because people don’t like it when he fails to catch the ball. Why would we expect him to behave like an educated adult. He’s a child with highly-specialized vocational training.
Thanks for this. Make no mistake: a genuine liberal education is very much under assault at most unis—by the unis themeselves. Admin, faculty who did not receive a liberal education themselves and the students they mentor, all hostile to it. It lacks "market appeal."
“Being a fan is fine, but there is a line you can cross that makes it really unhealthy,” said Ken Yeager, PhD, a mental health expert in the department of psychiatry at The Ohio State University Wexner Medical Center.

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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:00 pm

And why are we trading for a guy like Malik Reed if Tuszka was doing pretty much the same thing? In fact, Tuszka actually had some pressures last season and made a few splash plays.

This whole thing is shit.
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Post by Quixotic » Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:07 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:48 pm
Thanks for this. Make no mistake: a genuine liberal education is very much under assault at most unis—by the unis themeselves. Admin, faculty who did not receive a liberal education themselves and the students they mentor, all hostile to it. It lacks "market appeal."
Prolly a controversial opinion. Shouldn’t be. Pretty much fact. But you know…

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Post by Texas Steel » Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:24 pm

Steeldrama wrote:
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No the future is not bright


The Future's not bright, not for Cool Shades...

not for Cool Shades...

(Apologies to Timbuk3)

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Post by Texas Steel » Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:26 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm
Joking aside, let's try again: Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison are wordsmiths. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
You could have stopped with "Tomlin is a tosser" and I would have agreed with you.

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Post by langer » Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:37 pm

Texas Steel wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 5:26 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm
Joking aside, let's try again: Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison are wordsmiths. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
You could have stopped with "Tomlin is a tosser" and I would have agreed with you.
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Post by yygy » Wed Oct 12, 2022 7:04 pm

Yeah madden is always a crank. Now he’s got something good to be cranky about.

I’ll give you two words for why I’m not negative on the Steelers future. Andy Weidl. In retrospect this is the weirdest hire in an off-season full of change. what’s this guy doing here? Coincidence that they hire a lead personnel guy with Colbert leaving?

Colbert did a lot of great things for this team. But he always bent over backwards to much for tomlin. The deuce of course is too afraid of confronting tomlin.

That’s what makes this guy Weidl so interesting. there are now two positions above the head coach on the org chart. Why would Weidl leave the Eagles for what is a lateral move? is he gonna sit in an office somewhere and take up space? Or is he more interested in putting his mark on his childhood team?

Early days but I see Kahn not demurring to tomlin on everything and I see Weidl as the new personnel sheriff in town. Of course those guys won’t tell tomlin what defense to play or who to put in to return punts. But it’s a new regime nonetheless.

We’ll see. A lot can change for a team in a single off-season if the team knows what they’re doing
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Post by COR-TEN » Wed Oct 12, 2022 8:12 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 4:15 pm
Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:50 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm


Walt Whitman or Wallace Stevens is a wordsmith. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
Well gee, I wonder why the suburbanites worship him so much then???
Because they lack a liberal education and only cared about vocational skill?

Joking aside, let's try again: Walt Whitman, Wallace Stevens, James Baldwin, and Ralph Ellison are wordsmiths. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
I like how you tossed in Ralph Ellison for lynch. Sneaky and subtle.
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:14 pm

Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:08 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:18 am
Ben2Ken wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:02 pm


Remember how many years STD and B2B were blowing this guy lol??? Hell I think there's still a couple posters here doing so, and gee, I wonder why???
I defended Tomlin from scum like you and your ilk Lynch and will continue to do so

The kind of bullshit you delight in promulgating is and will always be wrong and unjust

Eat shit and die

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Post by bradshaw2ben » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:15 pm

Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:27 pm
COR-TEN wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:01 pm
Professor Half Wit wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:21 am


And there are folks who actually think this guy is some kind of wordsmithing rhetorical genius.
I'm glad you posted that because I feel the same.
Walt Whitman or Wallace Stevens is a wordsmith. Tomlin is a tosser of word salad.
😂. I see what you did there… and I love it
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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:40 pm

I really like Pickett the person. Like him more and more.

He’s already calling out the fact that they need to practice better. Poor practice means poor play.

Another indictment on Tomlin. If a rookie is calling it out, shit is real.
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Post by 955876 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:48 pm

Another indictment on Tomlin. If a rookie is calling it out, shit is real.
Yep.

The team is literally a ship without a sail. Bouncing haplessly along at sea.

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Post by Steeldrama » Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:01 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:40 pm
I really like Pickett the person. Like him more and more.

He’s already calling out the fact that they need to practice better. Poor practice means poor play.

Another indictment on Tomlin. If a rookie is calling it out, shit is real.
Didn’t Joe Schoebert say something similar about poor practice last year shortly after getting here from the urban Meyer led jaguars of all teams?

Prior to that Tomlin turned away Najee’s request for extra practice/film study.

Now Najee just crashes on Tomlins couch after bingeing hours of Fred, Barney and Mikey’s favorite Dino on the Flinstones.
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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:02 pm

I think you are right, Drama.
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Post by langer » Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:37 pm

Did they make Mitch captain just to haze Pickett
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Post by jeemie » Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:42 pm

Saw a Tomlin quote from an interview.

The solution to their problems? “We have to keep the games close”.

He will never change.
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Post by Jobu » Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:58 pm

jeemie wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:42 pm
Saw a Tomlin quote from an interview.

The solution to their problems? “We have to keep the games close”.

He will never change.
Did he mention third down?

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Post by o'donnell » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:56 pm

bradshaw2ben wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 9:14 pm
Ben2Ken wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:08 am
SteelerDayTrader wrote:
Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:18 am


I defended Tomlin from scum like you and your ilk Lynch and will continue to do so

The kind of bullshit you delight in promulgating is and will always be wrong and unjust

Eat shit and die

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The basement boy calling me scum??? Hilarious.
If the shoe fits… 🤷‍♂️
Ehh, one of these two has been working his balls off in a clinical laboratory, the other has been holed up in his mothers basement becoming a drain on the medical field through diet and lack of exercise... Which shoe fits which foot????

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Post by langer » Wed Oct 12, 2022 11:59 pm

Ian Eagle: Coach, what do you make of that 3 and out

Coach Mike: Well, at this juncture, it's not optimal in what you would like to see out of a team of football players, and I feel that if they go back to the lab they could have competence at that activity, if you will.
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