Steelers at Dolphins SNF Game Comments

[Stillerz Bar]

You’re thick

Have you considered that those picks not happening to our benefit resulted in Kenny having to get 7 late?

Little easier to win when you’re playing a short field, or stopping Miami from getting points at end of half (Cam drop).

All those dropped picks change what is required as the game progresses.

Normally when you score 10 points a game you're usually forced to score a TD late. That is kind of how football evolved in the latter part of the 20th Century and all the way through our magical year of 2022. C'mon now.

GD it! If only our D would have had like 2 pick sixes we would've won! F those dudes.

The funniest thing about the folks here, not just you is that people I think expected a rookie, with AWFUL coaching and -an inconsistent (I’m being kind) supporting cast to do “Ben things”.

Again, I’m not saying this to point fingers at anybody but look at a dude like Trevor Lawrence or even Tua. They were AWFUL as rookies. Joe Burrow looked promising before he got his knee shredded but NOBODY thought he was going to explode I his second year like he did.

Pickett’s a rookie who is following a legend. It’s gonna be a rough ride, especially with what he has to work with.

It’s really that simple.

Ben ain’t coming back. Just gotta hope the kid learns from his struggles this year.

Kenny has had some moments that were impressive and others that were not good at all. In other words, he's playing like a rookie!

It's also important to remember that he didn't get to work with the first team, especially the receivers, until a few weeks ago. Add in the fact that DJ and Chase have usually looked out of sync with every QB they've played with in the last 2 years and terrible and predictable play calling and you get the crappy offense we've been seeing the last 2 years except when Ben played backyard football.

Bottom line is that with two half games and one full game it's way too soon to know whether or not Pickett will be any good. Almost every other QB, even the great ones, needed time to figure things out. Hell, the great Peyton Manning threw 28 picks as a rookie and led his team to a 3-13 record.

Ben was a once in a generation QB who was effective from the get go as a rookie so there's no sense trying to compare him to Pickett. I have no delusions that Kenny is the next great Hall of Fame QB based on what he's shown to date but I'm not ready to give up on him just yet either.

[bradshaw2ben]

Ben was never that fast.

Sure he was. It just looked awkward. Ben and Kenny had about the same 40 time

I don’t think so.

4.73 for Pickett
4.75 for Ben

[bradshaw2ben]

This broadcast is so Miami lopsided! Holy fuck can we hear about the Steelers!

They never talk about the Washington Generals. Imagine how their parents feel.

The Steelers are this year’s cannon fodder. Homecoming opponent. Crash test dummies. Etc.

[bradshaw2ben]

Who the fuck is Jack Harlow?

Sucks to get old. Have you recently found yourself saying out loud such phrases as, “What is this noise you’re listening to?”

[bradshaw2ben]

Bush has looked solid the last couple of weeks. Trying to find positives.

Playing for a contract. I guess we found out what motivates him.

[jebrick]

Bush has looked solid the last couple of weeks. Trying to find positives.

Playing for a contract. I guess we found out what motivates him.

While i just watched the 1st 1/2, Bush was always standing near the ball carrier when he was tackled ( by someone else).

[bradshaw2ben]

Honestly tua doesn’t look very good. Wrs running wtfo all over the field and he’s throwing to us a lot and missing open guys.

A. He’s not that good—offensive scheme and surrounding talent make him look better
B. Rusty coming off a life-altering series of concussions

[LakecrestSteeler]

This broadcast is so Miami lopsided! Holy fuck can we hear about the Steelers!

They never talk about the Washington Generals. Imagine how their parents feel.

The Steelers are this year’s cannon fodder. Homecoming opponent. Crash test dummies. Etc.

Touché! So true!

[bradshaw2ben]

Think about how much Gentry and Watt were featured tonight vs. Pickens on early downs...

Miami came in as the 31st ranked passing defense. I predicted on the podcast that the Steelers would focus on a run-heavy plan.

[bradshaw2ben]

Tiny hands pickett in the rain

How ironic. He completed the shit out of those two soul-crushing INTs, at least one of which looked like it slipped a bit out of his hand.

Kenny showed some fight and he's a guy you can root for, but c'mon man.

[bradshaw2ben]

pickett s ceiling will be physical… which may mean he’s not a mahomes or some freak… but i have to say he’s mentally able and he’s accurate… that can go a very long way…

teams still can’t find that today, give him a bit of development at this level… look out

I'm not saying he's limited to this and this only, but Pickett to this point seems like he would be an awesome backup QB. His attitude and mentality is great-- he's a guy that can rally the troops and isn't fazed by what's going on around him. If he hadn't been a 1st round pick, I'd feel a lot better about his value/future.

But playing in this offense with the restrictions he's facing and then asking him to repeatedly bail them out on 3rd downs and on clutch drives? That's a recipe for failure.

[bradshaw2ben]

Johnson just stands there and watches the int happen. If He pushes the DB in the air there's no way he gets both feet down.

Johnson put his hand up and was running to the wide open MOF. PIckett threw behind him and into the defender. Johnson had no chance to fight for that ball-- he was running in the opposite direction.

[bradshaw2ben]

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/statu ... 2207297537

Yeah that thread nails it. I am certain that while watching him at Pitt that I uttered the words, "well, just wait until he tries that shit in the NFL".

I want him to prove me wrong. I want to be wrong that all his extra time developing at Pitt doesn't mean he has less upside left.

But.

I see a QB who has more confidence than his physical tools can execute. When that confidence is cracked, what's going to happen? And guaranteed on this team the way they want to play offense-- his confidence will be crushed.

[Professor Half Wit]

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/statu ... 2207297537

Yeah that thread nails it. I am certain that while watching him at Pitt that I uttered the words, "well, just wait until he tries that shit in the NFL".

I want him to prove me wrong. I want to be wrong that all his extra time developing at Pitt doesn't mean he has less upside left.

But.

I see a QB who has more confidence than his physical tools can execute. When that confidence is cracked, what's going to happen? And guaranteed on this team the way they want to play offense-- his confidence will be crushed.

You sure that thread nails it? Seems to me it says the opposite of what Kenneth Haterz say:

Pickett won at the college level with athleticism and arm talent. Not with processing or pocket management.

That's exactly what he's trying to do at the NFL level. But -- and this was always the issue with his eval -- he doesn't have peak traits. So you get plays like that.

According to this guy, Kenny excelled in college with athleticism and arm talent, the kind of things that cannot be taught.

His deficit, according to this guy, is processing what he sees and pocket “management” (whatever that means).

If the problem is processing, that’s mental and can be fixed with experience and good coaching.

I thought the knock on KP is that he physical tools are too limited for the mental side to makeup for.

Or do I miscomprehend what this guy is saying?

[kramer]

And while Pickett didn’t come through..

Fucking Tua almost threw 4 fucking INTS

lucky as fuck

I guess we ignore that

Well, yeah, we're Steelers fans evaluating our QB. Who cares about Tua?

But yeah, Kenny has defenders making toe tap sideline picks are our dudes are dropping passes that him them right in the chest.

I care

Picks would have helped our cause

Each one has a huge impact on what follows

Pickett’s one INT was not his fault….fucking Claypool fell down

Two pics are on him

But it’s not as if he’s being put in a position to win

He will be fine

He did almost lead the team down the field w 2+ mins and no timeouts, AND his 4th down throw to Muth was beautiful

Again, how can anyone definitively say that Kenny “will be fine”? Are you Nostradamus?

[bradshaw2ben]

Fuck off Kenny

(Redacted) lakecrest will still defend him

I will say what the fuck was DJ doing breaking in towards the goal post…the throw would always be to the outside in that situation! DJ is a fucking flake. The other INT was all Kenny, with shit execution prior to it by the rest of the team.

He was running to the completely unoccupied area of the field because the defender had run with him all the way to cut off the front EZ pylon throw.

[kramer]

Pickens

6 targets

6 catches

Longest play of game for our offense of 30 yards

Only TD of game

Silver lining is we have he next great Steelers WR

He’ll be gone after his rookie contract

[bradshaw2ben]

The last pick I put 100% on Pickett.

The previous drive his teammates put him in a terrible position.

Still, overall, I think the kid can be very good.

What has Pickett shown you that he has what it takes to be “good”?

That he went to Pitt?

I'm not a Pitt fan.

Rookie QB's fuck up.

He led some very promising drives despite some absolutely awful play calling.

The only really major fuck up I put on Pickett tonight was the final play of the game.

The previous drive I put on his teammates, taking the dude out of the red zone and a possible TD to a 3rd and 16.

None of that I put on Pickett. You can say the throw sucked. Sure it did. They put a rookie QB in a position to HAVE to make a desperate throw.

Because of penalties..

Honest question: if this were Kordell in his first year starting, do you or do you not think the pitchforks and torches would be out? Hell, they threw trash on Maddox's lawn for less.

[bradshaw2ben]

That game had Duck Hodges vs. the Bills vibez

All the new Steelers starting QBs of the past few years have followed the same trendline. Look pretty good in emergency replacement duty, get named the starter, start going downhill toward ineptitude.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer Kenny to Mason, Duck, Laundry, Dobbs, Vick et al and he of course has a chance to write a different story. But the odds aren't in his favor based on how the team operates + his ratio of ballsyness to talent.

[Mick]

What has Pickett shown you that he has what it takes to be “good”?

That he went to Pitt?

I'm not a Pitt fan.

Rookie QB's fuck up.

He led some very promising drives despite some absolutely awful play calling.

The only really major fuck up I put on Pickett tonight was the final play of the game.

The previous drive I put on his teammates, taking the dude out of the red zone and a possible TD to a 3rd and 16.

None of that I put on Pickett. You can say the throw sucked. Sure it did. They put a rookie QB in a position to HAVE to make a desperate throw.

Because of penalties..

Honest question: if this were Kordell in his first year starting, do you or do you not think the pitchforks and torches would be out? Hell, they threw trash on Maddox's lawn for less.

in the kordell/maddox era, we kind of knew that with a competent QB, those teams could have been great.

This season, by half time of the Jets game, it was clear that no QB could be successful in this scheme.

[bradshaw2ben]

STD you are high as shit that might have been the best throw he’s made as a pro.

Either that one or the one he threw to Muth while getting clobbered vs the Jets. They were both extremely ballsy throws.

[bradshaw2ben]

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSolak/statu ... 2207297537

Yeah that thread nails it. I am certain that while watching him at Pitt that I uttered the words, "well, just wait until he tries that shit in the NFL".

I want him to prove me wrong. I want to be wrong that all his extra time developing at Pitt doesn't mean he has less upside left.

But.

I see a QB who has more confidence than his physical tools can execute. When that confidence is cracked, what's going to happen? And guaranteed on this team the way they want to play offense-- his confidence will be crushed.

You sure that thread nails it? Seems to me it says the opposite of what Kenneth Haterz say:

Pickett won at the college level with athleticism and arm talent. Not with processing or pocket management.

That's exactly what he's trying to do at the NFL level. But -- and this was always the issue with his eval -- he doesn't have peak traits. So you get plays like that.

According to this guy, Kenny excelled in college with athleticism and arm talent, the kind of things that cannot be taught.

His deficit, according to this guy, is processing what he sees and pocket “management” (whatever that means).

If the problem is processing, that’s mental and can be fixed with experience and good coaching.

I thought the knock on KP is that he physical tools are too limited for the mental side to makeup for.

Or do I miscomprehend what this guy is saying?

He had enough athleticism and arm talent for success at the college level. Where you have wide-open receivers to throw to and where MOF defenders don't come from nowhere to make plays and you rarely pay for your bravado.

[LakecrestSteeler]

(Redacted) lakecrest will still defend him

I will say what the fuck was DJ doing breaking in towards the goal post…the throw would always be to the outside in that situation! DJ is a fucking flake. The other INT was all Kenny, with shit execution prior to it by the rest of the team.

He was running to the completely unoccupied area of the field because the defender had run with him all the way to cut off the front EZ pylon throw.

Yes. I rewatched last night but was spent and didn’t feel like posting. I was ready to complain about DJ’s lack of effort on getting the guy out of bounds, but DJ had zero chance of that; he had no chance of being able to react that way based on his interpretation of what he should have been doing on the scramble.

KP’s previous interception was a flop duck, this one was thrown with what looked like touch, completely open to interpretation of course, and is right there at the pylon, makes me think it was some sort of QB scramble if this then that QB WR code that got hosed. Or maybe it was a panic throw. Only those two know.

[bradshaw2ben]

I'm not a Pitt fan.

Rookie QB's fuck up.

He led some very promising drives despite some absolutely awful play calling.

The only really major fuck up I put on Pickett tonight was the final play of the game.

The previous drive I put on his teammates, taking the dude out of the red zone and a possible TD to a 3rd and 16.

None of that I put on Pickett. You can say the throw sucked. Sure it did. They put a rookie QB in a position to HAVE to make a desperate throw.

Because of penalties..

Honest question: if this were Kordell in his first year starting, do you or do you not think the pitchforks and torches would be out? Hell, they threw trash on Maddox's lawn for less.

in the kordell/maddox era, we kind of knew that with a competent QB, those teams could have been great.

This season, by half time of the Jets game, it was clear that no QB could be successful in this scheme.

Yes, the expectations are lowered, but damn Kenny was just instantly a fan favorite who will get a long pass from the hoi polloi. And being a 1st round pick he will get every chance to fail, likely for several years. Kenny had better end up great or this could get extremely ugly for a long time.

[Professor Half Wit]

Hoi is the nominative plural article. “The hoi polloi” says “the the many.”

[K_C_]

What has Pickett shown you that he has what it takes to be “good”?

That he went to Pitt?

I'm not a Pitt fan.

Rookie QB's fuck up.

He led some very promising drives despite some absolutely awful play calling.

The only really major fuck up I put on Pickett tonight was the final play of the game.

The previous drive I put on his teammates, taking the dude out of the red zone and a possible TD to a 3rd and 16.

None of that I put on Pickett. You can say the throw sucked. Sure it did. They put a rookie QB in a position to HAVE to make a desperate throw.

Because of penalties..

Honest question: if this were Kordell in his first year starting, do you or do you not think the pitchforks and torches would be out? Hell, they threw trash on Maddox's lawn for less.

Um…..Maddox was a lot like Trubisky. Actually in a worse situation. He bombed as a first round pick in Denver and even played in the XFL. He was a retread so no one expected anything of him.

Kordell was lucky to have even been given a shot at playing QB in the NFL. Again, like Maddox, there was very little expectation from anybody that Kordell would succeed.

Kenny has different expectations and you also need to remember something you yourself have harped on: Mike Tomlin is a fraud. Ben, who will be in the Hall of Fame,
won despite Tomlin. Bill Cowher failed for many years to win the big one in Pittsburgh due to him failing to prioritize the QB position but….Cowher had everything else down. Cowher was a legit professional football coach. Mike Tomlin isn’t. Hell, under Cowher’s watch Maddox set Steelers passing records and Kordell finished second in MVP voting one year.

Cowher surrounded these obviously sub par QB’s with an
excellent supporting cast on both sides of the ball.

You rarely saw miscommunications between QB and WR’s the likes of what we’re seeing now under Tomlin. Again, the dude knew how to actually coach. His over reliance on sub par QB’s, like Kordell and Maddox, was Cowher’s undoing and deservedly so.

Kenny is in a much worse position than those guys. Ben was great enough to win despite Tomlin. Kenny and the vast majority of NFL QB’s likely aren’t.

It’s that simple.

[zeke5123]

That game had Duck Hodges vs. the Bills vibez

All the new Steelers starting QBs of the past few years have followed the same trendline. Look pretty good in emergency replacement duty, get named the starter, start going downhill toward ineptitude.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer Kenny to Mason, Duck, Laundry, Dobbs, Vick et al and he of course has a chance to write a different story. But the odds aren't in his favor based on how the team operates + his ratio of ballsyness to talent.

Hell, even Mitch came in and looked good as an emergency replacement.

[bradshaw2ben]

Hoi is the nominative plural article. “The hoi polloi” says “the the many.”

Etiam, sed usus sum versione Anglica pro iis qui Latine non loquuntur.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Tiny hands pickett in the rain

How ironic. He completed the shit out of those two soul-crushing INTs, at least one of which looked like it slipped a bit out of his hand.

Kenny showed some fight and he's a guy you can root for, but c'mon man.

[Professor Half Wit]

Hoi is the nominative plural article. “The hoi polloi” says “the the many.”

Etiam, sed usus sum versione Anglica pro iis qui Latine non loquuntur.

HA!

I had to use google translator. Don't know latin even a little! Do you read in it?!

Pet peeve. I encourage the polloi