Pickett isn’t the guy

[zeke5123]

52.9% 9 TD's 18 INT's 6.0 Y/A

God, who was this bum? He'll never amount to anything. Oh, that's Troy Aikman's rookie season.

56.7% 26 TD 28 INT 6.5 Y/A

Holy crap, who is this loser? Cut him immediately. Oh, that's Peyton Manning's rookie season.

Pickett is a rookie. We can't tell anything yet about how he's going to do in the NFL.

In fact, I don't think we're going to know until next season. Even if Kenny plays like Joe Montana the rest of the year, we're still not going to know he's the guy. Teams will have all offseason to study his film. We need to see him succeed next year too.

Even if Kenny sucks the rest of the year, he could improve next year. We're not going to know this year, and the Steelers are unlikely to draft a QB next year regardless.

The league is easier now compared to when those guys came in. Further, the scouting thesis for Pickett was “pro ready, but not as much upside.”

[zeke5123]

Get used to Kenny.

He’s QB1 for at least 23 and 24.

GOOD! Maybe (I can dream) just maybe Tomlin notices that it’s the calls and the situations that Pickett has to deal with and not his ability.

You would think that if you just took a QB round 1 who shows that he can make throws, he needs the right OC around him for the team to succeed.

My hope is that Kenny gets Canada fired at least by the end of the season if not before…

Don’t misunderstand.

1) KP not looking good now, certainly not now looking like he’s going to be the answer. But I am not impressed even a little by people who end up being right by accident. We’re seven games in. Seven. It’s looked ugly and KP needs to start looking better, but he’s played two half games and one whole?

*Not impressed by people who end up being right by accident. Not even a little.*

2) KP is 24, yes, but why does playing longer in college and being 24 foreclose a lot of growth at the NFL level? Everything is more complex and harder and the QB has to learn.

But but but: at 24 with his experience, I want to see KP get better over the course of the season. The age by itself don’t care. QBs play way longer now. But I do expect KP to learn faster and hence process what he’s seeing faster and hence cut out the boneheaded mistakes more quickly than other rookies.

3) But Buddha on a broom stick Canada sucks.

It doesn’t foreclose growth but it suggests limited growth. Who do you expect to have more growth — a 22 year old or a 24 year old, all things considered?

[Works At A Bank]

52.9% 9 TD's 18 INT's 6.0 Y/A

God, who was this bum? He'll never amount to anything. Oh, that's Troy Aikman's rookie season.

56.7% 26 TD 28 INT 6.5 Y/A

Holy crap, who is this loser? Cut him immediately. Oh, that's Peyton Manning's rookie season.

Pickett is a rookie. We can't tell anything yet about how he's going to do in the NFL.

In fact, I don't think we're going to know until next season. Even if Kenny plays like Joe Montana the rest of the year, we're still not going to know he's the guy. Teams will have all offseason to study his film. We need to see him succeed next year too.

Even if Kenny sucks the rest of the year, he could improve next year. We're not going to know this year, and the Steelers are unlikely to draft a QB next year regardless.

Aikman also played behind a beast of an oline, had a stud RB and a stud WR. Manning had the brain capacity and arm to make throws.

I’m not saying Pickett is a bust a handful of games into his career but rather I don’t think he’ll amount to a FQB. I know those types of QBs don’t grow on trees and are difficult to find. I just don’t think the 24 year old has “it”. He may end up being serviceable but I think it was a reach to draft him 20th. Panic pick cause Ben was retiring. We can all agree that the 2022 draft was weak at QB.

I’m willing to give the rookie the benefit of the doubt but so far... Perhaps after Canada is fired this offseason Pickett can play in a real offensive system. But we all know that as long as Tomlin is the HC he’ll never get an OC that’s worth a fuck. This whole situation has the potential to be a catch 22. Is Pickett good? Is he bad? Is it his WRs? Is it the offensive playcalling? Lots of variables and most won’t be fixed before the 2023 season starts. As for now I’m looking at his 2:7 TD/INT ratio. Is it unfair? Maybe but I think Pickett isn’t a first round pick type QB. He benefited from a weak QB class and a desperate need for a QB by the Steelers. Now we’re saddled with him come he’ll or high water. I hope the kid is better than his stats. I just don’t ever see him being a FQB.

[zeke5123]

This is the kind of dumb shit I talked about in another thread…..and make no mistake, this shit is DUMB.

I’m as pissed as anybody about that last throw and some of the brainless decisions Kenny made.

Rookie decisions.

He also did a bunch of good things.

I’m more concerned about his receivers, other than Pickens, who never seemed to be on the same page as Kenny.

Those guys gave Ben fits too plenty of times and folks forget that. Ben was in. “WTF just happened” mode because of his receivers, way more than people remember.

You keep saying “he did a bunch of good things.” What were the bunch of good plays Pickett had last night? I could think of two, maybe three. Not sure id call those a bunch.

[zeke5123]

52.9% 9 TD's 18 INT's 6.0 Y/A

God, who was this bum? He'll never amount to anything. Oh, that's Troy Aikman's rookie season.

56.7% 26 TD 28 INT 6.5 Y/A

Holy crap, who is this loser? Cut him immediately. Oh, that's Peyton Manning's rookie season.

Pickett is a rookie. We can't tell anything yet about how he's going to do in the NFL.

In fact, I don't think we're going to know until next season. Even if Kenny plays like Joe Montana the rest of the year, we're still not going to know he's the guy. Teams will have all offseason to study his film. We need to see him succeed next year too.

Even if Kenny sucks the rest of the year, he could improve next year. We're not going to know this year, and the Steelers are unlikely to draft a QB next year regardless.

Aikman also played behind a beast of an oline, had a stud RB and a stud WR. Manning had the brain capacity and arm to make throws.

I’m not saying Pickett is a bust a handful of games into his career but rather I don’t think he’ll amount to a FQB. I know those types of QBs don’t grow on trees and are difficult to find. I just don’t think the 24 year old has “it”. He may end up being serviceable but I think it was a reach to draft him 20th. Panic pick cause Ben was retiring. We can all agree that the 2022 draft was weak at QB.

I’m willing to give the rookie the benefit of the doubt but so far... Perhaps after Canada is fired this offseason Pickett can play in a real offensive system. But we all know that as long as Tomlin is the HC he’ll never get an OC that’s worth a fuck. This whole situation has the potential to be a catch 22. Is Pickett good? Is he bad? Is it his WRs? Is it the offensive playcalling? Lots of variables and most won’t be fixed before the 2023 season starts. As for now I’m looking at his 2:7 TD/INT ratio. Is it unfair? Maybe but I think Pickett isn’t a first round pick type QB. He benefited from a weak QB class and a desperate need for a QB by the Steelers. Now we’re saddled with him come he’ll or high water. I hope the kid is better than his stats. I just don’t ever see him being a FQB.

Shares a lot of similarities to Harris. Maybe an okay player but over drafted in part due to perceived need.

[jebrick]

52.9% 9 TD's 18 INT's 6.0 Y/A

God, who was this bum? He'll never amount to anything. Oh, that's Troy Aikman's rookie season.

56.7% 26 TD 28 INT 6.5 Y/A

Holy crap, who is this loser? Cut him immediately. Oh, that's Peyton Manning's rookie season.

Pickett is a rookie. We can't tell anything yet about how he's going to do in the NFL.

In fact, I don't think we're going to know until next season. Even if Kenny plays like Joe Montana the rest of the year, we're still not going to know he's the guy. Teams will have all offseason to study his film. We need to see him succeed next year too.

Even if Kenny sucks the rest of the year, he could improve next year. We're not going to know this year, and the Steelers are unlikely to draft a QB next year regardless.

All good points but KP does not either Manning or Aikman's arm. He is, at best, NFL average.

for B2B's other thread, he needs a real mentor and QB coach. He needs an offense designed for him and his talents. Not for someone that has a cannon for an arm like Ben did.

[K_C_]

This is the kind of dumb shit I talked about in another thread…..and make no mistake, this shit is DUMB.

I’m as pissed as anybody about that last throw and some of the brainless decisions Kenny made.

Rookie decisions.

He also did a bunch of good things.

I’m more concerned about his receivers, other than Pickens, who never seemed to be on the same page as Kenny.

Those guys gave Ben fits too plenty of times and folks forget that. Ben was in. “WTF just happened” mode because of his receivers, way more than people remember.

You keep saying “he did a bunch of good things.” What were the bunch of good plays Pickett had last night? I could think of two, maybe three. Not sure id call those a bunch.

The throw to Pickens in the end zone was perfect and allowed George to make a great play. The dime to Freiermuth on 4th down was a Ben like perfectly placed ball. Running for a first down on that 3rd and 15 or whatever it was looked exactly like Joe Burrow. I will review more of the game later and will add more really good plays Kenny made. I thought he did a very nice job of avoiding pressure and there was a play on the TD drive where he stood in the pocket (Collinsworth talked about it) like few young QB's would and threw a sweet pass downfield in the face of heavy pressure. That you can't teach and that is where a lot of young QB's struggle, Tua especially.

Pickett's biggest issue, to me right now, is simply not being on the same page as his receivers. They are zigging when Pickett expects them to zag, if you will, obviously. The only thing that will fix those types of plays is more reps with these guys. Strike that, I should actually say the only thing that will fix this issue is new receivers. I personally believe Diontae and Chase are beyond all hope. Ben had shit tons of issues with these guys that they were veterans. How many times did Ben throw long and Claypool quit on his route or did something else. Johnson too. None of this shit is new.

Pickett obviously has A LOT to work on and fix, but I'm telling you, I don't know if he'll be able to fix the issues he has with Claypool and Johnson. Even the final play of the game. That looked like an absolutely dumbfuck throw by Pickett, but I'll guarantee he expected Johnson (who, btw just stood there and watched that INT. Didn't come back and try to push the CB OOB or anything) to do something completely different.

[alancac98]

Need a receiver's coach that actually teaches! Miami was playing zone, but our receivers couldn't sit down in the soft spots at all. A coach has to teach that! I wish they hired Hiines as our WR's coach. He was a student of the game as a receiver and I think he could teach these guys skills. Remember, JuJu said he learned more about offence in 3 weeks with KC! Nobody is teaching!!!

[Thrillsseeker]

This is the kind of dumb shit I talked about in another thread…..and make no mistake, this shit is DUMB.

I’m as pissed as anybody about that last throw and some of the brainless decisions Kenny made.

Rookie decisions.

He also did a bunch of good things.

I’m more concerned about his receivers, other than Pickens, who never seemed to be on the same page as Kenny.

Those guys gave Ben fits too plenty of times and folks forget that. Ben was in. “WTF just happened” mode because of his receivers, way more than people remember.

This.

DJ standing there while the DB makes that last pick while he does absolutely nothing. Doesn’t come back towards the ball, doesn’t try to break it up. Nothing.

[Jizz Mop]

This is the kind of dumb shit I talked about in another thread…..and make no mistake, this shit is DUMB.

I’m as pissed as anybody about that last throw and some of the brainless decisions Kenny made.

Rookie decisions.

He also did a bunch of good things.

I’m more concerned about his receivers, other than Pickens, who never seemed to be on the same page as Kenny.

Those guys gave Ben fits too plenty of times and folks forget that. Ben was in. “WTF just happened” mode because of his receivers, way more than people remember.

This.

DJ standing there while the DB makes that last pick while he does absolutely nothing. Doesn’t come back towards the ball, doesn’t try to break it up. Nothing.

Absolutely

Not sure he could have done anything to prevent the pick, but for the love of God TRY!

Push him OOBs

Fuck. Game on the line. Go down fighting. Dumb players coached by dunce. Bad combo.

[Mick]

This is the kind of dumb shit I talked about in another thread…..and make no mistake, this shit is DUMB.

I’m as pissed as anybody about that last throw and some of the brainless decisions Kenny made.

Rookie decisions.

He also did a bunch of good things.

I’m more concerned about his receivers, other than Pickens, who never seemed to be on the same page as Kenny.

Those guys gave Ben fits too plenty of times and folks forget that. Ben was in. “WTF just happened” mode because of his receivers, way more than people remember.

This.

DJ standing there while the DB makes that last pick while he does absolutely nothing. Doesn’t come back towards the ball, doesn’t try to break it up. Nothing.

i’m not going to blame DJ on that one.

Would like to see all-22 to know where pickett should have gone with the ball on that play. If the answer is “should have checked down”, then whatever. Looked like the defender knew exactly what was coming.

[franco32]

The kid went backshoulder to DJ and DJ went upfield. It sucks but it happened on the last INT. But he battled and fought hard. It would have been nice to have had a timeout there at the end so he wasn't time pressured. Of course, we blew that time out because we couldn't get a play in on time AFTER a penalty gave us even more extra time to get it in. Can anyone say PREPARATION?

It's not Pickett's fault that:

1. We call incessant plunges on first down.
2. Short rolls for 3 yards all the time.
3. Shovel passes to Gentry.
4. Screens to Gentry.
5. Reverses into the teeth of the D.
6. We telegraph our playcalls with our personnel selections all the time. Does the D think we are going to pass with Gentry and Watt on the field?
7. Najee is slow as molasses and costing the offense because the linebackers and safeties fear nothing when he gets the ball.
8. DJ and Claypool get more time than Pickens.
9. We always have horrific penalties at key times to kill drives.

The kid's made some mistakes but he's also made some nice plays at a time when we are doing NOTHING to help make things easier for him.

[Professor Half Wit]

GOOD! Maybe (I can dream) just maybe Tomlin notices that it’s the calls and the situations that Pickett has to deal with and not his ability.

You would think that if you just took a QB round 1 who shows that he can make throws, he needs the right OC around him for the team to succeed.

My hope is that Kenny gets Canada fired at least by the end of the season if not before…

Don’t misunderstand.

1) KP not looking good now, certainly not now looking like he’s going to be the answer. But I am not impressed even a little by people who end up being right by accident. We’re seven games in. Seven. It’s looked ugly and KP needs to start looking better, but he’s played two half games and one whole?

*Not impressed by people who end up being right by accident. Not even a little.*

2) KP is 24, yes, but why does playing longer in college and being 24 foreclose a lot of growth at the NFL level? Everything is more complex and harder and the QB has to learn.

But but but: at 24 with his experience, I want to see KP get better over the course of the season. The age by itself don’t care. QBs play way longer now. But I do expect KP to learn faster and hence process what he’s seeing faster and hence cut out the boneheaded mistakes more quickly than other rookies.

3) But Buddha on a broom stick Canada sucks.

It doesn’t foreclose growth but it suggests limited growth. Who do you expect to have more growth — a 22 year old or a 24 year old, all things considered?

I need adequate representative sample sizes prior to forming general conclusions about 24 year old rookie QBs.

Some might call that being willfully obtuse. I call it acknowledgement of the limitations of what I personally know.

[Mick]

I mean, under canada we’ve had:
Roethlisberger 6.2 YPA, 5.4 NY/A (hugely skewed upwards by 4th quarter “screw canada offense” production last year)
Trubisky 6.2 YPA, 5.4 NY/A
Pickett 6.1 YPA, 5.5 NY/A

Some of us assumed Ben was exaggerating with the whole “drawing plays in the dirt” last year, but i am starting to feel like there probably was a lot of “okay so on this play i want you to run an actual NFL route. I know you’ve never seen one, here’s how it looks….”

[Thrillsseeker]

#Fire Canada train needs to be a steaming locomotive by now.

We’re left with this steaming pile of shit. Its been far too long.

[SteelPro]

If you formed an opinion about KP after 10 quarters of NFL action then you already had that opinion. Consensus was he was a high floor/ low ceiling QB prospect. That is about what he has shown so far. I don't see anything from him that suggests he can be top 5 QB. But I see a lot in him that suggests with the right pieces around him and a good offensive staff he could be a borderline top 10 QB... somewhere around 10-15 range. Can you win a championships with that? Maybe, but it would take a lot of pieces falling into place perfectly. Really a moot point though because you could put any of the greatest QBs that have ever played the game and have them in their prime and I think this coaching staff would screw it up. The topic is just wrong.. it isn't that Pickett isn't the guy... No one can be the guy in this offensive system.

[Works At A Bank]

If you formed an opinion about KP after 10 quarters of NFL action then you already had that opinion. Consensus was he was a high floor/ low ceiling QB prospect. That is about what he has shown so far. I don't see anything from him that suggests he can be top 5 QB. But I see a lot in him that suggests with the right pieces around him and a good offensive staff he could be a borderline top 10 QB... somewhere around 10-15 range. Can you win a championships with that? Maybe, but it would take a lot of pieces falling into place perfectly. Really a moot point though because you could put any of the greatest QBs that have ever played the game and have them in their prime and I think this coaching staff would screw it up. The topic is just wrong.. it isn't that Pickett isn't the guy... No one can be the guy in this offensive system.

Fair enough and you’re right. I’ve never been a Pickett guy. I just don’t see it. I think it was a wasted pick. Should have gone Oline or Dline with that pick. No need to reach on a weak QB class. Either way no matter who they draft as long as Tomlin and his staff are around no one is going to be coached up.

[bradshaw2ben]

Dude let the guy get 5 starts or so, maybe a fucking OC and a Head Coach that doesn’t live in his fears…

Holy Fuck I’m not a Pitt fan, but this attitude of instant gratification is a fucking joke.

Josh Allen SUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKEEEEED his Rookie season, they didn’t throw him out.

5-6 record 52% completion 10 TD’s - 12 INTS

Fucking have some patience….

Josh Allen had more talent in his middle finger. He came in raw with a world of talent. Kenny comes in extremely polished and experienced, with average tools but lots of moxie.

[Jizz Mop]

The kid went backshoulder to DJ and DJ went upfield. It sucks but it happened on the last INT. But he battled and fought hard. It would have been nice to have had a timeout there at the end so he wasn't time pressured. Of course, we blew that time out because we couldn't get a play in on time AFTER a penalty gave us even more extra time to get it in. Can anyone say PREPARATION?

It's not Pickett's fault that:

1. We call incessant plunges on first down.
2. Short rolls for 3 yards all the time.
3. Shovel passes to Gentry.
4. Screens to Gentry.
5. Reverses into the teeth of the D.
6. We telegraph our playcalls with our personnel selections all the time. Does the D think we are going to pass with Gentry and Watt on the field?
7. Najee is slow as molasses and costing the offense because the linebackers and safeties fear nothing when he gets the ball.
8. DJ and Claypool get more time than Pickens.
9. We always have horrific penalties at key times to kill drives.

The kid's made some mistakes but he's also made some nice plays at a time when we are doing NOTHING to help make things easier for him.

I suck at embedding pics/gifs

But if I could, I’d post a CLAPPING gif here

Excellent post

[bradshaw2ben]

Get used to Kenny.

He’s QB1 for at least 23 and 24.

That's what Arizona Cardinals fans were saying about Josh Rosen. They focused on his great plays sprinkled in. Then when they got the top pick in the draft, all those jersey sales were for naught.

I don't think the Steelers would do that in a million years, but there is precedent.

Honestly, I'm taking solace in the fact that they will probably lose Mason in a couple of days and then lost Mitchell within a year or so. They very well might draft a QB sometime after round 2 this coming spring. And there might even be some quality there.

IDK where a guy like Jason Bean will end up, but I endorse taking some lottery pick QBs like that, even if Kenny will be here and starting for the foreseeable future.

[K_C_]

Get used to Kenny.

He’s QB1 for at least 23 and 24.

That's what Arizona Cardinals fans were saying about Josh Rosen. They focused on his great plays sprinkled in. Then when they got the top pick in the draft, all those jersey sales were for naught.

I don't think the Steelers would do that in a million years, but there is precedent.

Honestly, I'm taking solace in the fact that they will probably lose Mason in a couple of days and then lost Mitchell within a year or so. They very well might draft a QB sometime after round 2 this coming spring. And there might even be some quality there.

IDK where a guy like Jason Bean will end up, but I endorse taking some lottery pick QBs like that, even if Kenny will be here and starting for the foreseeable future.

Mason might leave because either he has zero trade value or the Steelers front office hates the guy. He’ll find a chance, I believe, to compete for a starting job somewhere (laugh but there are some awful QB’s out there right now).

I think Trubisky is going to accept his role as a back up and will be back. I predict we don’t don’t draft a single QB this April.

The third guy will be another Omar Jacobs or Duck Hodges type.

Pickett will be the starter for the next 3 years at least because I’m 100% convinced he’s going to get a lot better. Elite? Probably not but he’ll be at least as good as Kirk Cousins I believe.

[bradshaw2ben]

Get used to Kenny.

He’s QB1 for at least 23 and 24.

That's what Arizona Cardinals fans were saying about Josh Rosen. They focused on his great plays sprinkled in. Then when they got the top pick in the draft, all those jersey sales were for naught.

I don't think the Steelers would do that in a million years, but there is precedent.

Honestly, I'm taking solace in the fact that they will probably lose Mason in a couple of days and then lost Mitchell within a year or so. They very well might draft a QB sometime after round 2 this coming spring. And there might even be some quality there.

IDK where a guy like Jason Bean will end up, but I endorse taking some lottery pick QBs like that, even if Kenny will be here and starting for the foreseeable future.

Mason might leave because either he has zero trade value or the Steelers front office hates the guy. He’ll find a chance, I believe, to compete for a starting job somewhere (laugh but there are some awful QB’s out there right now).

I think Trubisky is going to accept his role as a back up and will be back. I predict we don’t don’t draft a single QB this April.

The third guy will be another Omar Jacobs or Duck Hodges type.

Pickett will be the starter for the next 3 years at least because I’m 100% convinced he’s going to get a lot better. Elite? Probably not but he’ll be at least as good as Kirk Cousins I believe.

That's the worst possible outcome, so I hope you're wrong.

[Mick]

That's what Arizona Cardinals fans were saying about Josh Rosen. They focused on his great plays sprinkled in. Then when they got the top pick in the draft, all those jersey sales were for naught.

I don't think the Steelers would do that in a million years, but there is precedent.

Honestly, I'm taking solace in the fact that they will probably lose Mason in a couple of days and then lost Mitchell within a year or so. They very well might draft a QB sometime after round 2 this coming spring. And there might even be some quality there.

IDK where a guy like Jason Bean will end up, but I endorse taking some lottery pick QBs like that, even if Kenny will be here and starting for the foreseeable future.

Mason might leave because either he has zero trade value or the Steelers front office hates the guy. He’ll find a chance, I believe, to compete for a starting job somewhere (laugh but there are some awful QB’s out there right now).

I think Trubisky is going to accept his role as a back up and will be back. I predict we don’t don’t draft a single QB this April.

The third guy will be another Omar Jacobs or Duck Hodges type.

Pickett will be the starter for the next 3 years at least because I’m 100% convinced he’s going to get a lot better. Elite? Probably not but he’ll be at least as good as Kirk Cousins I believe.

That's the worst possible outcome, so I hope you're wrong.

if you think Kirk Cousins on a $2M/year contract would be a bad thing for the organization, i don’t know what to say.

[Professor Half Wit]

We're finding out just how much the Ben+Watt combo kept this awful boat afloat.

This shit is PAINFUL.

[Valentino_Blake]

Can we just say the offense is doing him no favors and the sample size isn't large enough to pass judgment yet, but Pickett's still looked pretty bad? Why is that controversial?

The guy doesn't need every excuse made for him when any UDFA (or Mitch Trubisky) throwing for 2:7 would be run out of town.

I think (hope) he'll get better too, and to some extent I prefer the guy who thinks he can make every tight window throw versus the guy afraid to let it fly, but in terms of actual on-field success he's been about Duck Hodges level so far. It's okay to acknowledge that.

[Gonzo]

if everyone wishes real hard maybe one day he will fly and become a real boy

[bradshaw2ben]

Mason might leave because either he has zero trade value or the Steelers front office hates the guy. He’ll find a chance, I believe, to compete for a starting job somewhere (laugh but there are some awful QB’s out there right now).

I think Trubisky is going to accept his role as a back up and will be back. I predict we don’t don’t draft a single QB this April.

The third guy will be another Omar Jacobs or Duck Hodges type.

Pickett will be the starter for the next 3 years at least because I’m 100% convinced he’s going to get a lot better. Elite? Probably not but he’ll be at least as good as Kirk Cousins I believe.

That's the worst possible outcome, so I hope you're wrong.

if you think Kirk Cousins on a $2M/year contract would be a bad thing for the organization, i don’t know what to say.

When you look up "QB Purgatory" on Wikipedia, it has a picture of Kirk Cousins.

Fantasy QB extraordinaire, soul-crushing performance in big games. That's worse than bombing out, by far... simply because it teases you more, hurts more because your expectations are raised, and (worst of all) because of the opportunity cost of not continuing to search for an elite player at the position because your guy is pretty good. Mark Malone was fine, too. He had talent. He wasn't a bust. Not picking a QB in 1983 was a 10 to 15-year mistake.

[Valentino_Blake]

if you think Kirk Cousins on a $2M/year contract would be a bad thing for the organization, i don’t know what to say.

I know diehard football types have an undying hate boner for him, but if Pickett can become an annual 4,000/25+ passer like the Captain I'd personally consider that a win.

[bradshaw2ben]

if everyone wishes real hard maybe one day he will fly and become a real boy

[zeke5123]

Can we just say the offense is doing him no favors and the sample size isn't large enough to pass judgment yet, but Pickett's still looked pretty bad? Why is that controversial?

The guy doesn't need every excuse made for him when any UDFA (or Mitch Trubisky) throwing for 2:7 would be run out of town.

I think (hope) he'll get better too, and to some extent I prefer the guy who thinks he can make every tight window throw versus the guy afraid to let it fly, but in terms of actual on-field success he's been about Duck Hodges level so far. It's okay to acknowledge that.

Yeah this is where I am at. I do think KP can become a good QB in this league. I doubt he will get to elite level. He hasn't been good yet.

But we had people on this board saying after the Bills game Pickett is a franchise QB. After THE BILLS game.