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“It’s the same plays! Come on!”

Post by langer » Wed Nov 30, 2022 10:29 am

Here's what the Steeler braintrust thinks is good for their new rookie 1st rounder QB.

Is this how you screw over that draft pick or how you help him. I can understand simplifying the playbook and all that. But to simplify it to a coloring book is kinda stupid.

But, Coach Jeff Saturday had no answer so.....

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Post by franco32 » Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:47 pm

Pickett seems like a smart kid. I think he's capable of handling more than 2 running plays. Afterall he called the run on the TD on 3rd and 2.

This is Canada. I'm not sure if he's lazy or dumb or both, but he really does run the same concepts all the time. If he ran different plays out of the same formation, I'd have no problem with that. Keeps the D guessing. But that's not what's happening.

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Post by Kodiak. » Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:43 pm

franco32 wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:47 pm
This is Canada. I'm not sure if he's lazy or dumb or both, but he really does run the same concepts all the time. If he ran different plays out of the same formation, I'd have no problem with that. Keeps the D guessing. But that's not what's happening.
The way Tomlin and some other coaches have talked in the past, it's always about execution. Forget play calling and game planning - your plays work if the guys just execute.

I've never seen any acknowledgement or recognition that the other side gets paid, too.

Of course every play is designed to work, and most will if your players execute better than the other side. There's simply no consideration that maybe a guy missed a block, at least in part, because it wasn't a good playcall.
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Post by Jizz Mop » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:09 pm

I’ve never seen a team (ours) with so few wide open receivers.

Is it simply they can’t get open, or more likely, we can’t scheme for shit?

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:10 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:43 pm
franco32 wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:47 pm
This is Canada. I'm not sure if he's lazy or dumb or both, but he really does run the same concepts all the time. If he ran different plays out of the same formation, I'd have no problem with that. Keeps the D guessing. But that's not what's happening.
The way Tomlin and some other coaches have talked in the past, it's always about execution. Forget play calling and game planning - your plays work if the guys just execute.

I've never seen any acknowledgement or recognition that the other side gets paid, too.

Of course every play is designed to work, and most will if your players execute better than the other side. There's simply no consideration that maybe a guy missed a block, at least in part, because it wasn't a good playcall.
AQ Shipley was discussing this on the Pat Mac show Tuesday, but in regards to the Colts. He said their biggest problem was they went to these very basic running plays/schemes in 2021 and that is what their whole problem is. Nick Sirianni leaving was their downfall and Reich’s downfall apparently. Nick left the colts and took all the good run plays and schemes. Nick must have really had the run game and lineman firing on all cylinders to hear Shipley’s talk.

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Post by Kodiak. » Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:20 pm

Jizz Mop wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:09 pm
I’ve never seen a team (ours) with so few wide open receivers.

Is it simply they can’t get open, or more likely, we can’t scheme for shit?
Lack of running game and a QB no one fears doesn't help. Nor does avoiding large chunks of the field.

And getting open on a simple route in under 2.0 seconds is also difficult. A lot of blame to go around. But I don;t think the WR coach is anything special, either.

Other teams seem to manage at least a couple of WTFO guys a game, whether by scheme or causing a busted coverage. PIT not so much.
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Post by COR-TEN » Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:23 pm

Kodiak. wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 4:43 pm
franco32 wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 1:47 pm
This is Canada. I'm not sure if he's lazy or dumb or both, but he really does run the same concepts all the time. If he ran different plays out of the same formation, I'd have no problem with that. Keeps the D guessing. But that's not what's happening.
The way Tomlin and some other coaches have talked in the past, it's always about execution. Forget play calling and game planning - your plays work if the guys just execute.

I've never seen any acknowledgement or recognition that the other side gets paid, too.

Of course every play is designed to work, and most will if your players execute better than the other side. There's simply no consideration that maybe a guy missed a block, at least in part, because it wasn't a good playcall.
There are also too many moving parts. One guy whiffs a block and the entire play is blown up. Expecting every player on 100% every play to beat his man to be successful is naive and stupid.

The whole point of scheming players open is to mitigate the above; attack weakness, and keep your opponent guessing. So far there have been three or four teams that have suggested the steelers O is predictable and they knew what plays were coming. I can't see how that can be even remotely acceptable.
Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the pigeon is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyway.

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Post by Orangesteel » Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:31 pm

Siranni’s offense is absurd. If they get home field I don’t see another NFC team beating them in Philly. Maybe Dallas if they get hot in January, same with the 49ers.
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Post by Jizz Mop » Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:44 pm

Orangesteel wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 6:31 pm
Siranni’s offense is absurd. If they get home field I don’t see another NFC team beating them in Philly. Maybe Dallas if they get hot in January, same with the 49ers.
Those are the only two teams that can take them down

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Post by langer » Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:22 pm

Did these guys mean the same plays during the game or when they were watching film, or was it that they ran the same plays when that package was on the field or was it the same play one after the other.

I'd love to hear what they were talking about.

Of course, the idiot media doesn't ask.
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Post by yygy » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:07 pm

To meet one of the worst examples of Canadas play design was early on a pass in the flat to McFarland that went for -2 yards.

The WO on that side did like a rounded crosser about 8 yards deep. RB goes into the flat. Kenny may have tipped it off a bit but the net result is that the safety, who started the play at least 10 yards deep in the secondary, was able to close over 15 yards and hit McFarland as he caught the pass.

The safety was able to do that because there was no one behind them. On the shorter crossing route the cornerback didn’t need safety help. So the safety correctly analyze the play and just crash down on McFarland.

This is where a double move for that receiver or running another receiver into that zone would’ve at least given the threat that that safety would’ve had to respond to. Instead, he could completely dial-in to the pass in the flat.

It’s place like that that show how defenses can anticipate and get a jump affectively on most of our offenses place. It probably happens consistently
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Post by Jobu » Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:11 pm

langer wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:22 pm
Did these guys mean the same plays during the game or when they were watching film, or was it that they ran the same plays when that package was on the field or was it the same play one after the other.

I'd love to hear what they were talking about.

Of course, the idiot media doesn't ask.
They asked him about it after the Bengals game. He gave his usual word salad answer.

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Post by langer » Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:25 pm

Jobu wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:11 pm
langer wrote:
Wed Nov 30, 2022 7:22 pm
Did these guys mean the same plays during the game or when they were watching film, or was it that they ran the same plays when that package was on the field or was it the same play one after the other.

I'd love to hear what they were talking about.

Of course, the idiot media doesn't ask.
They asked him about it after the Bengals game. He gave his usual word salad answer.
Oh, didn't know that. I can't listen to his gibberish anymore.

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