Post Ravens Mock

[SteelerDayTrader]

Ok but my point remains. They passed up Ben to roll with Holcomb/Garcia. WTF ???

And build out the OL…… hmmmmm ??? Where do I keep hearing that extremely dubious bs ?? Lolololz

When you are a bad team you need to get max value with those high picks and scout well to fill needs in the 3rd and 4th

Those top picks GOTTA really lean towards player who have outlier characteristics that could be league dominate players

Well, you need to remember the consensus at the time that Ben was a project and wasn't expected to start for a year or two. He only played in his rookie season because Maddox got hurt.

Also, you may have a point if Cleveland actually followed the OL route. Cleveland opted to draft an athletic TE at #6 that year and went for a big time WR at #3 the following season. Hmmmmm....where do I keep hearing that strategy?

NO ONE here has pounded the table ever for a top 10 pick to be spent at WR or TE

Perhaps you are imagining things

[SteelerDayTrader]

Ok but my point remains. They passed up Ben to roll with Holcomb/Garcia. WTF ???

And build out the OL…… hmmmmm ??? Where do I keep hearing that extremely dubious bs ?? Lolololz

When you are a bad team you need to get max value with those high picks and scout well to fill needs in the 3rd and 4th

Those top picks GOTTA really lean towards player who have outlier characteristics that could be league dominate players

Well, you need to remember the consensus at the time that Ben was a project and wasn't expected to start for a year or two. He only played in his rookie season because Maddox got hurt.

Also, you may have a point if Cleveland actually followed the OL route. Cleveland opted to draft an athletic TE at #6 that year and went for a big time WR at #3 the following season. Hmmmmm....where do I keep hearing that strategy?

Additionally

There was absolutely zero consensus that Ben was a project. Lolololz. Not sure where you got that idea from

[Pabst]

Additionally

There was absolutely zero consensus that Ben was a project. Lolololz. Not sure where you got that idea from

https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/d ... ther-miami

Offensive coordinator: I was more impressed with his game tape than his combine. I wanted to see this big, powerful gun but didn’t. But watch the tape and the guy’s a player. He jumps off the film at you. He has more physical potential than any of them. But he’s not as far along as Manning, Rivers, (Matt) Schaub or even (J.P.) Losman. They all know why they do things. Ben’s not there yet. He has the best arm of all of them but he’s not as accurate as you’d like. You’re gambling with him, betting on the come. Not ready to step in and take over right now.

Head coach: He lit it up at our individual workout. He’s the least ready to play right now but two years from now may be the best of the bunch.

https://silverchips.mbhs.edu/content/20 ... aft-21656/

Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami (Ohio)
The Giants will attempt to move up in the draft to snag Eli Manning or Robert Gallery, but the top three teams likely will not budge. That leaves the Giants to snag a very nice consolation prize in Ben Roethlisberger. The Giants have Kerry Collins leading the offense for at least one more season but have made it public that they want a quarterback for the future. Enter Ben Roethlisberger, who is being touted as the most athletic but raw in the class. The Giants can afford to have Roethlisberger sit on the bench for at least a season to develop in the hopes of creating another Chad Pennington (the Bengals have done the same with last year's first overall pick, QB Carson Palmer). The Giants will likely also be tempted to draft S Sean Taylor or DT Tommie Harris in order to help shore up their defense, but the league-wide perception that a possible franchise quarterback is of the utmost priority likely will stand here.

https://vault.si.com/vault/2004/04/26/dr-zs-mock-draft

7 BROWNS
BEN ROETHLISBERGER, QB, Miami (Ohio)

Sure, they signed former 49er Jeff Garcia, but the plan is to let Big Ben learn the trade for a couple of years and then take over.

[SteelerDayTrader]

Zero of those say ANYTHING about a consensus that Ben was a project

Zero

Sit for his rookie year conjecture is much different than project

[Ice]

Porter Jr will be off the board most likely. If he’s there I’m excited about taking him. Very solid fit for the Steelers

Ika. Do you really wanna spend a 33 ish pick on the Steeler 3-4 NT ?? To what end ?? So he can eat blockers and hold the point ?? Aren’t there plenty of guys much later who could likely do 95% of what Ika does in that role ??

Jaelyn Duncan at 46 to play small ball and straight ahead drive block 65% of the time ?? I guess I could live with it but again I think Moore is getting better every game and I think Steve Avila on the IOL later is a much better pick initially if you are gonna start a solid rebuild and create synergy

Schmitz I guess I could live with but I still think Avila would be a much better fit for the Steelers at significantly less cost

Campbell just screams slightly better Spillane to me and I have zero belief that will help at ILB

In defense of drafting NT with an early pick, we've been trying the late-round/UDFA route at the position for a while, and it hasn't exactly produced stellar results (see Ravens game).

I disagree somewhat

Hargrave was pick 89 but absolutely perfect build

Since then it’s been Alualu and Wormley mostly and Alualu was ok for a bit

I think Steeler 3-4 NT is much more about build and body type along with being the kind of player who gets almost no glory plays but does massive work every down

Those guys can be had later. And I’d add this. You can’t fill every spot with top ranked guys in one year. If you take a shot at a 7th round NT and he doesn’t cut it or a great talent falls to you next year who cares it’s a 7th. Your not locked into passing up a Javon Hargrave in the 3rd because you put a 1st rd pick into NT.

Imo those top picks need to be guys who have the scheme opportunity to change games particularly when you are a bad team with multiple juicy picks

I don’t think the Steeler 3-4 affords much opportunity for a top talent at NT

I'm more talking about the dreck we've pulled 5th round and lower recently than Hargrave, mostly. because I don't look at a third rounder as a bottom of the draft pick. It's the Davises, Loudderrmillkkss, etc. of the world at DL late in the draft (trying to remember the huge schlub from Tennessee who got chance after chance, it's escaping me) that are hinting to me that pulling DL prospects late isn't much of a strength of ours at this point.

[SteelerDayTrader]

In defense of drafting NT with an early pick, we've been trying the late-round/UDFA route at the position for a while, and it hasn't exactly produced stellar results (see Ravens game).

I disagree somewhat

Hargrave was pick 89 but absolutely perfect build

Since then it’s been Alualu and Wormley mostly and Alualu was ok for a bit

I think Steeler 3-4 NT is much more about build and body type along with being the kind of player who gets almost no glory plays but does massive work every down

Those guys can be had later. And I’d add this. You can’t fill every spot with top ranked guys in one year. If you take a shot at a 7th round NT and he doesn’t cut it or a great talent falls to you next year who cares it’s a 7th. Your not locked into passing up a Javon Hargrave in the 3rd because you put a 1st rd pick into NT.

Imo those top picks need to be guys who have the scheme opportunity to change games particularly when you are a bad team with multiple juicy picks

I don’t think the Steeler 3-4 affords much opportunity for a top talent at NT

I'm more talking about the dreck we've pulled 5th round and lower recently than Hargrave, mostly. because I don't look at a third rounder as a bottom of the draft pick. It's the Davises, Loudderrmillkkss, etc. of the world at DL late in the draft (trying to remember the huge schlub from Tennessee who got chance after chance, it's escaping me) that are hinting to me that pulling DL prospects late isn't much of a strength of ours at this point.

Oh I get that but to be clear I’m saying it’s more about body type than draft position at NT

DE the Steelers put big capital into Heyward and Tuitt and often got underwhelming results when it mattered

I’d just add this.

If the Steelers put the next 3 years of 1st and 2nd round picks into the OL and DL then what ??

A team full of Picketts Johnsons and Edmunds ?? No thank you

It’s easy to say it all starts in the trenches but you gotta take outlier playmakers when you have the opportunity

[K_C_]

Additionally

There was absolutely zero consensus that Ben was a project. Lolololz. Not sure where you got that idea from

https://www.si.com/nfl/talkoffame/nfl/d ... ther-miami

Offensive coordinator: I was more impressed with his game tape than his combine. I wanted to see this big, powerful gun but didn’t. But watch the tape and the guy’s a player. He jumps off the film at you. He has more physical potential than any of them. But he’s not as far along as Manning, Rivers, (Matt) Schaub or even (J.P.) Losman. They all know why they do things. Ben’s not there yet. He has the best arm of all of them but he’s not as accurate as you’d like. You’re gambling with him, betting on the come. Not ready to step in and take over right now.

Head coach: He lit it up at our individual workout. He’s the least ready to play right now but two years from now may be the best of the bunch.

https://silverchips.mbhs.edu/content/20 ... aft-21656/

Ben Roethlisberger, QB, Miami (Ohio)
The Giants will attempt to move up in the draft to snag Eli Manning or Robert Gallery, but the top three teams likely will not budge. That leaves the Giants to snag a very nice consolation prize in Ben Roethlisberger. The Giants have Kerry Collins leading the offense for at least one more season but have made it public that they want a quarterback for the future. Enter Ben Roethlisberger, who is being touted as the most athletic but raw in the class. The Giants can afford to have Roethlisberger sit on the bench for at least a season to develop in the hopes of creating another Chad Pennington (the Bengals have done the same with last year's first overall pick, QB Carson Palmer). The Giants will likely also be tempted to draft S Sean Taylor or DT Tommie Harris in order to help shore up their defense, but the league-wide perception that a possible franchise quarterback is of the utmost priority likely will stand here.

https://vault.si.com/vault/2004/04/26/dr-zs-mock-draft

7 BROWNS
BEN ROETHLISBERGER, QB, Miami (Ohio)

Sure, they signed former 49er Jeff Garcia, but the plan is to let Big Ben learn the trade for a couple of years and then take over.

Holy shit, you just owned the basement dweller utterly and completely.

[Ice]

I disagree somewhat

Hargrave was pick 89 but absolutely perfect build

Since then it’s been Alualu and Wormley mostly and Alualu was ok for a bit

I think Steeler 3-4 NT is much more about build and body type along with being the kind of player who gets almost no glory plays but does massive work every down

Those guys can be had later. And I’d add this. You can’t fill every spot with top ranked guys in one year. If you take a shot at a 7th round NT and he doesn’t cut it or a great talent falls to you next year who cares it’s a 7th. Your not locked into passing up a Javon Hargrave in the 3rd because you put a 1st rd pick into NT.

Imo those top picks need to be guys who have the scheme opportunity to change games particularly when you are a bad team with multiple juicy picks

I don’t think the Steeler 3-4 affords much opportunity for a top talent at NT

I'm more talking about the dreck we've pulled 5th round and lower recently than Hargrave, mostly. because I don't look at a third rounder as a bottom of the draft pick. It's the Davises, Loudderrmillkkss, etc. of the world at DL late in the draft (trying to remember the huge schlub from Tennessee who got chance after chance, it's escaping me) that are hinting to me that pulling DL prospects late isn't much of a strength of ours at this point.

Oh I get that but to be clear I’m saying it’s more about body type than draft position at NT

DE the Steelers put big capital into Heyward and Tuitt and often got underwhelming results when it mattered

I’d just add this.

If the Steelers put the next 3 years of 1st and 2nd round picks into the OL and DL then what ??

A team full of Picketts Johnsons and Edmunds ?? No thank you

It’s easy to say it all starts in the trenches but you gotta take outlier playmakers when you have the opportunity

See, the balance against building the trenches has been so pronounced from a talent standpoint (particularly on O for the last decade or so) that some kind of correction has to happen to create a happy medium between mediocre skill players and being unable to run vs. teams of note or stop it vs. teams of note. Many other teams manage to do both successfully. Pretty much all of the good ones.

Once you've restored some balance, then you can go back to drafting outlier talent and trench players with a more reasonable mix. One has just been overlooked for far too long.

[Professor Half Wit]

See, the balance against building the trenches has been so pronounced from a talent standpoint (particularly on O for the last decade or so) that some kind of correction has to happen to create a happy medium between mediocre skill players and being unable to run vs. teams of note or stop it vs. teams of note. Many other teams manage to do both successfully. Pretty much all of the good ones.

Yup. Replacing one drafting vice (extreme) with another is not the answer. The trenches need an infusion of top tier talent, especially so with the kind of offense and defense Tomlin wants to run.

[Pabst]

In defense of drafting NT with an early pick, we've been trying the late-round/UDFA route at the position for a while, and it hasn't exactly produced stellar results (see Ravens game).

I disagree somewhat

Hargrave was pick 89 but absolutely perfect build

Since then it’s been Alualu and Wormley mostly and Alualu was ok for a bit

I think Steeler 3-4 NT is much more about build and body type along with being the kind of player who gets almost no glory plays but does massive work every down

Those guys can be had later. And I’d add this. You can’t fill every spot with top ranked guys in one year. If you take a shot at a 7th round NT and he doesn’t cut it or a great talent falls to you next year who cares it’s a 7th. Your not locked into passing up a Javon Hargrave in the 3rd because you put a 1st rd pick into NT.

Imo those top picks need to be guys who have the scheme opportunity to change games particularly when you are a bad team with multiple juicy picks

I don’t think the Steeler 3-4 affords much opportunity for a top talent at NT

I'm more talking about the dreck we've pulled 5th round and lower recently than Hargrave, mostly. because I don't look at a third rounder as a bottom of the draft pick. It's the Davises, Loudderrmillkkss, etc. of the world at DL late in the draft (trying to remember the huge schlub from Tennessee who got chance after chance, it's escaping me) that are hinting to me that pulling DL prospects late isn't much of a strength of ours at this point.

McCullers. You owe me one

[SteelerDayTrader]

I'm more talking about the dreck we've pulled 5th round and lower recently than Hargrave, mostly. because I don't look at a third rounder as a bottom of the draft pick. It's the Davises, Loudderrmillkkss, etc. of the world at DL late in the draft (trying to remember the huge schlub from Tennessee who got chance after chance, it's escaping me) that are hinting to me that pulling DL prospects late isn't much of a strength of ours at this point.

Oh I get that but to be clear I’m saying it’s more about body type than draft position at NT

DE the Steelers put big capital into Heyward and Tuitt and often got underwhelming results when it mattered

I’d just add this.

If the Steelers put the next 3 years of 1st and 2nd round picks into the OL and DL then what ??

A team full of Picketts Johnsons and Edmunds ?? No thank you

It’s easy to say it all starts in the trenches but you gotta take outlier playmakers when you have the opportunity

See, the balance against building the trenches has been so pronounced from a talent standpoint (particularly on O for the last decade or so) that some kind of correction has to happen to create a happy medium between mediocre skill players and being unable to run vs. teams of note or stop it vs. teams of note. Many other teams manage to do both successfully. Pretty much all of the good ones.

Once you've restored some balance, then you can go back to drafting outlier talent and trench players with a more reasonable mix. One has just been overlooked for far too long.

What you don’t seem to be getting is there are plenty of very solid trenchers available later particularly in a Steeler system that gains very little from top ranked talent in the trenches

Pouncey
DeCastro
Heyward
Tuitt
Hood
Adams

All pretty underwhelming when it mattered given their draft status…..and…..even when they played well it didn’t seem to make much difference

[SteelerDayTrader]

See, the balance against building the trenches has been so pronounced from a talent standpoint (particularly on O for the last decade or so) that some kind of correction has to happen to create a happy medium between mediocre skill players and being unable to run vs. teams of note or stop it vs. teams of note. Many other teams manage to do both successfully. Pretty much all of the good ones.

Yup. Replacing one drafting vice (extreme) with another is not the answer. The trenches need an infusion of top tier talent, especially so with the kind of offense and defense Tomlin wants to run.

[Stosh-67]

The draft is shaping up nicely for us in the end. Why? Because the QBs actually aren't that good in this draft and yet people will still reach for them. I was reading yesterday how a scout has Caleb Williams and Drake Maye ahead of all these QBs...so maybe 2024 is the year to pick a QB if Pickett isn't the answer.

So, hopefully teams ahead of us get QB-happy and that leaves some of the better OL, DL, CB, and ILB left for us. Make no mistake this team is going nowhere without more help in the trenches. I still don't know how Ben won a 2nd Super bowl and almost a 3rd with some real garbage Oline play in front of him, but we aren't getting a Ben level talent at QB anytime soon. So, devote the draft capital to the big boys.

Great thoughts.
Let teams reach for QB's and push down some talent in areas of need.
Build the trenches - OL/ DL and ILB

[Professor Half Wit]

See, the balance against building the trenches has been so pronounced from a talent standpoint (particularly on O for the last decade or so) that some kind of correction has to happen to create a happy medium between mediocre skill players and being unable to run vs. teams of note or stop it vs. teams of note. Many other teams manage to do both successfully. Pretty much all of the good ones.

Yup. Replacing one drafting vice (extreme) with another is not the answer. The trenches need an infusion of top tier talent, especially so with the kind of offense and defense Tomlin wants to run.

Inability to accept reality is the source of a lot happiness defeating emotions.

Why do you think you’re so upset about the Steelers all the time.

With therapy, you can turn it around in time.

Tomlin wants attrition football.
Attrition football requires attrition players in the trenches.

[Professor Half Wit]

The draft is shaping up nicely for us in the end. Why? Because the QBs actually aren't that good in this draft and yet people will still reach for them. I was reading yesterday how a scout has Caleb Williams and Drake Maye ahead of all these QBs...so maybe 2024 is the year to pick a QB if Pickett isn't the answer.

So, hopefully teams ahead of us get QB-happy and that leaves some of the better OL, DL, CB, and ILB left for us. Make no mistake this team is going nowhere without more help in the trenches. I still don't know how Ben won a 2nd Super bowl and almost a 3rd with some real garbage Oline play in front of him, but we aren't getting a Ben level talent at QB anytime soon. So, devote the draft capital to the big boys.

Great thoughts.
Let teams reach for QB's and push down some talent in areas of need.
Build the trenches - OL/ DL and ILB

+1

[SteelerDayTrader]

Spending multiple high end draft capital over multiple on positions that don’t that haven’t ever been difference makers for the Steelers in the last 2 decades + isn’t gonna magically start working just because you want it to

Particularly not on a team with zero guile

[SteelerDayTrader]

Yup. Replacing one drafting vice (extreme) with another is not the answer. The trenches need an infusion of top tier talent, especially so with the kind of offense and defense Tomlin wants to run.

Inability to accept reality is the source of a lot happiness defeating emotions.

Why do you think you’re so upset about the Steelers all the time.

With therapy, you can turn it around in time.

Tomlin wants attrition football.
Attrition football requires attrition players in the trenches.

If it weren’t for the existence of KC you might be in the running for Poster Most Often Wrong of the Year

[Professor Half Wit]

Spending multiple high end draft capital over multiple on positions that don’t that haven’t ever been difference makers for the Steelers in the last 2 decades + isn’t gonna magically start working just because you want it to

Particularly not on a team with zero guile

I don’t necessarily disagree, but we’re talking about Tomlin here.

Is this a team that thrives on scheme or individual effort from superstars?

Is it your board enemies that need to change their thinking or the coaching staff of the Pittsburgh Steelers?

Tomlin is not going anywhere. He needs an infusion of top end talent in the trenches. If that can be had in later rounds, great.

What would you wager the chances are of the new FO of doing that?

[Professor Half Wit]

Inability to accept reality is the source of a lot happiness defeating emotions.

Why do you think you’re so upset about the Steelers all the time.

With therapy, you can turn it around in time.

Tomlin wants attrition football.
Attrition football requires attrition players in the trenches.

If it weren’t for the existence of KC you might be in the running for Poster Most Often Wrong of the Year

Name calling and bold declarations aren’t worth a damn.

[Ice]

Of the ones STD listed in the trenches, the only two that didn't at the very least hold their position down aptly and make some noise were Mike "disgrace to my Buckeyes" Adams and Ziggy, who was a terrible scheme fit from the jump. Tuitt was a headcase, but the talent was there. Heyward is on the downside, but has been an admirable Steeler. Decastro screwed us on retirement, and probably picked a bit high, but good Steeler for the most part. Pouncey was pretty damn good, too, for quite some time before he fell off.

[Professor Half Wit]

Of the ones STD listed in the trenches, the only two that didn't at the very least hold their position down aptly and make some noise were Mike "disgrace to my Buckeyes" Adams and Ziggy, who was a terrible scheme fit from the jump. Tuitt was a headcase, but the talent was there. Heyward is on the downside, but has been an admirable Steeler. Decastro screwed us on retirement, and probably picked a bit high, but good Steeler for the most part. Pouncey was pretty damn good, too, for quite some time before he fell off.

I’m ignoring the take that taking high round talent has not worked for the Steelers.

I’m much more skeptical of the idea that our FO is going to find the players with the needed level of talent in the trenches in the later rounds.

Is STD confident this is probable relative to the evidence? If he is confident, why? If he’s not confident, why is he wasting time posting about it?

We can’t have first and second rounders at every trench position.

I think we need more than zero, tho.

[Ice]

It's where I'm at, as well. Once you infuse some top end talent into one area real quick, then you can go back to balance, provided you don't spend, like, a decade ignoring adding top talent to one of the most important units on the team.

[Professor Half Wit]

Cam Heyward has been an absolute stud his entire career. Dude looks like time has started to catch up.

Subtract Cam from the D line and what do we have?

YIKES

[SteelerDayTrader]

What do you trench wenches expect will happen if the Steelers blow 2 or 3 top picks on those positions ??

[SteelerDayTrader]

Cam Heyward has been an absolute stud his entire career. Dude looks like time has started to catch up.

Subtract Cam from the D line and what do we have?

YIKES

Cam and the rest of them blow playoff games to Blake fucking Bortles

They are what most Steeler fans claim they are by a fair amount

[Professor Half Wit]

What do you trench wenches expect will happen if the Steelers blow 2 or 3 top picks on those positions ??

Not expecting it to happen in one draft.

The problems are many and deep.

Can’t have top picks at every position. I disagree with your position that we shouldn’t devote any top picks to the trenches.

I expect if we do not, we’ll continue to have a shitty run game and get run over.

Are you going to answer the question I posed above: you confident our FO is going to grab the talent needed for the trenches exclusively from mid and late rounds? If so, why?

[Stosh-67]

What do you trench wenches expect will happen if the Steelers blow 2 or 3 top picks on those positions ??

Not expecting it to happen in one draft.

The problems are many and deep.

Can’t have top picks at every position. I disagree with your position that we shouldn’t devote any top picks to the trenches.

I expect if we do not, we’ll continue to have a shitty run game and get run over.

Are you going to answer the question I posed above: you confident our FO is going to grab the talent needed for the trenches exclusively from mid and late rounds? If so, why?

I'll answer that Wit.

Later round OL / DL 4th thru 7th... last 10 years.

2013 - Nick Williams, DT - 7th round
2014 - Wesley Johnson OL - 5th Dan McCuellers DT - 6th
2015 - Leterrius Walton DT - 6th
2016 - Jerald Hawkins OT - 4th
2017 - zilch
2018 - Joshua Frazier - DT - 7th
2019 - Sutton Smith DE - 6th, Isiah Buggs DT -6th Derwin Gray OL - 7th
2020 - Kevin Dotson OL - 4th, Carlos Davis DT -7th
2021 - Dan Moore OL 4th, Isiah Loudermilk DL -5th, Quincey Roche DL - 6th

Two starters, who many feel need to be upgraded.

[Stosh-67]

We need our next 10 year starters on the OL and DL to be a building block around.

We need our next Cam Heyward on the DL and our next David DeCastro on the OL.

[K_C_]

What do you trench wenches expect will happen if the Steelers blow 2 or 3 top picks on those positions ??

Not expecting it to happen in one draft.

The problems are many and deep.

Can’t have top picks at every position. I disagree with your position that we shouldn’t devote any top picks to the trenches.

I expect if we do not, we’ll continue to have a shitty run game and get run over.

Are you going to answer the question I posed above: you confident our FO is going to grab the talent needed for the trenches exclusively from mid and late rounds? If so, why?

I'll answer that Wit.

Later round OL / DL 4th thru 7th... last 10 years.

2013 - Nick Williams, DT - 7th round
2014 - Wesley Johnson OL - 5th Dan McCuellers DT - 6th
2015 - Leterrius Walton DT - 6th
2016 - Jerald Hawkins OT - 4th
2017 - zilch
2018 - Joshua Frazier - DT - 7th
2019 - Sutton Smith DE - 6th, Isiah Buggs DT -6th Derwin Gray OL - 7th
2020 - Kevin Dotson OL - 4th, Carlos Davis DT -7th
2021 - Dan Moore OL 4th, Isiah Loudermilk DL -5th, Quincey Roche DL - 6th

Two starters, who many feel need to be upgraded.

I honestly believe STD enjoys being an imbecile.

[Stosh-67]

I look at the Dlines of the Eagles and Cowboys as a formula for relentless pursuit and pass rush.

The Cowboys have on their Dline and depth, round and pick...built thru draft and FA / trade

Lawrence 2/34
Osa 3/75
Gallimore 3/82
Armstrong 4/116.

Depth
Sam Williams 2/56
Watkins 4 /142
Hankins 2/49
Fowler 1/3
McKinley 1/26

That amount of high draft pedigree on the Dline allows Parsons and KVE ( also 1st rounders ) to run free and make plays.
KVE is running free all the time.

Eagles.
Graham 1/13
Cox 1/12
Hargrave 3/89
Sweat 4/130

Depth
Davis 1/13
Sue 1/2
Joseph 2/46
Williams 3/73
Quinn 1/14
Robinson 4/130

That amount of high draft pedigree on the Dline allows their LBs to run freely and make tackles ( And 1st rounder Reddick to pick spots to get after the QB, 3rd straight 10+ sack season )

a combined 19 defensive line players on the two teams
NOT ONE ..........5th, 6th or 7th rounder

Creating quick, sudden, havoc with a defensive line makes the LBs better and DBs and safeties better.

NY Giants formula in winning 2 SBs and beating BB and the Pats was with the same type of defensive line described above.
I do not know if I can name any of those Giants LBs or DBs off the top of my head

Rams formula last year was the defensive line and fierce pressure and pursuit.