Broncos trade for Payton

[Stosh-67]

We couldn't have at least shot them an email re: Tomlin's lack of losing seasons?

Doncs had to do something. Overspent so hard on Wilson that they were forced to overspend on Payton.

Also, the Steelers should definitely fire/force out Tomlin with a year or two left on the contract, just to see.

Mike Tomlin
16 years as head coach.
A playoff win in only 4 of those 16 years.
Six one and done playoff seasons.
No playoff wins since 2016 - six years.
Three playoff wins* in the last 12 years. One handed to us on a platter. ( Matt Moore, Alex Smith & AJ McGarron)
Lost the last four playoff games giving up 36, 45, 48 & 42 points.
Last 4 playoff games saw an average halftime deficit of 25-10.

The portfolio says we should not get, but a 4th or 5th round pick for Tomlin.
A compensatory ick, if you will.

This is the one case where we would benefit from todays media incompetence ..........
And wish for a 1st and a 2nd in return

Interesting that both Tomlin and Payton have coached 17 playoff games.
Both won a SB.
Tomlin went to 2 SB.s ( 1-1)
Payton 1-0

For a historical perspective on where they rank,
There are 18 head coaches with more playoff wins ( 10+ ) than the both of them.

Tomlin has coached for 16 years.
Took his team to the playoffs 10 of those 16 seasons.
17 playoff games, 8-9 record.
A playoff win in only 4 of those 10 playoff years, a playoff win in only 4 of 16 years as head coach.
Six one and done playoff seasons.
His team has given up 30 or more points in 7 of the 17 games.
His team has scored 30 or more points in 5 of the 17 games.
His teams have scored less than 20 points in 5 of 17 games ( that was also a 5 game stretch with less than 20 )
Tomlin is 3-8 in his last 11 playoff games. ( 5-8 since winning the SB )

Payton has coached for 15 years.
Took his team to the playoffs 9 of those 15 seasons.
17 playoff games, 9-8 record.
A playoff win in 7 of those 9 playoff years, a playoff win in 7 of 15 years as head coach.
Only two one and done playoff seasons.
His team has given up 30 or more points in 4 of the 17 games.
His team has scored 30 or more points in 7 of the 17 games
In Payton's last 10 playoff games, his team has given up 30 or more just once ( 30 to the Rams in his last playoff game )
His teams have scored less than 20 points in only 2 of 17 playoff games.
Payton is 5-7 in his last 12 playoff games, including 2 OT losses. ( 5-7 since winning the SB )

Both won a SB.
Just figured I'd throw some playoff comparisons out there.

Tomlin took over an 8-8 team a year removed from a SB win.
You know the players he had on both sides of the ball from the previous 8-8 year ( Tomlins last )

Payton took over a team that had not made the playoffs for 5 straight years and had a record of 3-13 the year before he took over.
He took over a team from Haslett that had Aaron Brooks and Todd Bauman at QB
Antowain Smith and Aaron Stecker led the team in rushing, Deuce McAllister played in only 5 games.
A receiving core of Dante' Stallworth, Joe Horn, Aaron Stecker, Zachary Hilton, Az-Zahir Hakim. Two guys with more than 35 catches

A defense that had one guy with more than 4 sacks.
Leading tacklers were guys that went by the names....Colby Bockwoldt, Fred Thomas, Dwight Smith and Josh Bullocks.
While other notable defensive players that were at the top of the stats sheet went by the names...Will Smith, Charles Grant, Mike McKenzie, Jason Craft, Courtney Watson, Darren Howard, Willie Whitehead.

[Pickett's Platoon]

Tomlin has NEVER won a Godamn thing.

Early in his career he wasn't allowed to coach.

He won with Cowher's players being coached by Lebeau and Arians.

He then proceeded to get bitch slapped by Tim Tebow, Blake Bortles, and a CLEVELAND FUCKING BROWNS team devoid of a head coach!!!!

MOTHERFUCK Mike Tomlin and any of you cocksuckers that have supported him over the years.

[Pickett's Platoon]

Tomlin took over an 8-8 team a year removed from a SB win.

Can we please stop perpetuating this retarded fuckin lie????

Ben literally had his brain bashed in and cousin Eddie plates installed on his skull to hold it together just before that season started.

He shouldn't have been out there, it was CLEAR he was fucked in the head.

[955876]

Tomlin took over an 8-8 team a year removed from a SB win.

Can we please stop perpetuating this retarded fuckin lie????

Ben literally had his brain bashed in and cousin Eddie plates installed on his skull to hold it together just before that season started.

He shouldn't have been out there, it was CLEAR he was fucked in the head.

Don’t forget the appendectomy he had right before the start of the season too.

[El Kabong]

Payton only won one super bowl with a franchise QB.

Uh and so did Tomlin. Not sure that helps your argument

I know so did Tomlin. And he is criticized quite strongly for it. So should Payton be.

[Pickett's Platoon]

Tomlin took over an 8-8 team a year removed from a SB win.

Can we please stop perpetuating this retarded fuckin lie????

Ben literally had his brain bashed in and cousin Eddie plates installed on his skull to hold it together just before that season started.

He shouldn't have been out there, it was CLEAR he was fucked in the head.

Don’t forget the appendectomy he had right before the start of the season too.

Hell I think he did that a few games into the season.

[955876]

No, it was before the season. He missed the opener vs Miami.

So had the bike crash, was rushing back from that and then had the appendectomy.

Throw in Cowher was sort of mailing it in that last season after finally winning the SB and that all led to the down season.

Jibbs isn’t some savior that took a bad team and made them good.

[Mick]

No, it was before the season. He missed the opener vs Miami.

So had the bike crash, was rushing back from that and then had the appendectomy.

Throw in Cowher was sort of mailing it in that last season after finally winning the SB and that all led to the down season.

Jibbs isn’t some savior that took a bad team and made them good.

ITT someone posts that Tomlin took over a team that just won a superbowl and certain posters leap to correct him that the team Tomlin took over was actually really good.

[franco32]

Why are we arguing here? If tomorrow you are given the straight up choice for Steelers head coach and it is between Payton and Tomlin...who here is picking Tomlin? Please stand up. You know Payton is a better coach.

We can look at regular season playoff records all we want, but one coach has lost some heartbreaking games while the other had his team BLOWN the fck out of the stadium and embarrassed. Anyone actually WATCHING the games could see how out-coached and out-prepared we were. How much more humiliation can you take?

One coach built a SB team from nothing. Then he REBUILT the team (working around a big QB salary mind you) and came really close to going to another SB. The other coach took a really talented team and won a SB with them and then proceeded to squander over a decade of football...never able to rebuild a championship caliber team.

I know who I'd hire.

[Pabst]

Then he REBUILT the team (working around a big QB salary mind you) and came really close to going to another SB.

Well....2 things here:
- The entire rebuild consisted of having an all-time draft in 2017. Prior to that, NO had missed the playoff 3 of 4 years.
- The "working around a big QB salary" consisted of constantly pushing out cap money year after year. When the team finally reached the breaking point, Payton bailed out and retired.

[Baltostiller]

No, it was before the season. He missed the opener vs Miami.

So had the bike crash, was rushing back from that and then had the appendectomy.

Throw in Cowher was sort of mailing it in that last season after finally winning the SB and that all led to the down season.

Jibbs isn’t some savior that took a bad team and made them good.

ITT someone posts that Tomlin took over a team that just won a superbowl and certain posters leap to correct him that the team Tomlin took over was actually really good.

Ben was a turnover machine that year with 23 picks. He only had 5 games when he DIDN'T throw a pick. Injuries sure but I also think that he was pressing based on how he played in the Super Bowl. Forcing way too many throws. Top that off with Cowher being completely checked out and that was a pretty damn good team to go 8-8.

I was at the Ravens game where they got smoked 27-0 and at one point the Ravens returned a fumble for a TD that was very questionable if Ben was down or not. Of course, it being in Baltimore, they are not showing the play on the jumbotron. I'm screaming for Cowher to challenge the call and he was just walking the other direction looking up to the sky. I had a feeling right there that he was done.

[955876]

If tomorrow you are given the straight up choice for Steelers head coach and it is between Payton and Tomlin...who here is picking Tomlin?

Well, we know Kabong and Mick would be first in line for Jibbs.

[El Kabong]

Why are we arguing here? If tomorrow you are given the straight up choice for Steelers head coach and it is between Payton and Tomlin...who here is picking Tomlin? Please stand up. You know Payton is a better coach.

We can look at regular season playoff records all we want, but one coach has lost some heartbreaking games while the other had his team BLOWN the fck out of the stadium and embarrassed. Anyone actually WATCHING the games could see how out-coached and out-prepared we were. How much more humiliation can you take?

One coach built a SB team from nothing. Then he REBUILT the team (working around a big QB salary mind you) and came really close to going to another SB. The other coach took a really talented team and won a SB with them and then proceeded to squander over a decade of football...never able to rebuild a championship caliber team.

I know who I'd hire.

Well if you're going to give Payton credit for "rebuilding" his team though not making it back to a Super Bowl, then you can give Tomlin credit for "rebuilding" his team and going back to an AFCCG.

[El Kabong]

If tomorrow you are given the straight up choice for Steelers head coach and it is between Payton and Tomlin...who here is picking Tomlin?

Well, we know Kabong and Mick would be first in line for Jibbs.

Oh, I'm just making sure the same rules that are applied to Tomlin are also applied to Payton.

For example, I have seen that Tomlin actually had nothing to do with NHALS. That was all Ben. The mere presence of a franchise QB on your team ensures a non-losing season with no input necessary from the HC.

So imagine my surprise to look at Payton's record and see that, with a franchise QB, he went 7-9 three years in a row. If a franchise QB automatically gets you a non-losing record with zero input from the HC, then Payton must actually have had negative impact on the team for them to go 7-9 three years in a row. Why couldn't Payton NHALS while he had Brees?

And, while laying down those losing records, Payton then actually had better draft picks to work with than Tomlin.

And, being an offensive-minded HC, he should have had the better philosophy for winning in this era of offense in the NFL.

He can have credit for building the super bowl winner in the first place, but afterward, Payton won only ONE super bowl and had losing seasons with a franchise QB. He sucks.

[Pickett's Platoon]

If tomorrow you are given the straight up choice for Steelers head coach and it is between Payton and Tomlin...who here is picking Tomlin?

Well, we know Kabong and Mick would be first in line for Jibbs.

They'd be first in line to suck Tomlin's schlong.

[Mick]

If tomorrow you are given the straight up choice for Steelers head coach and it is between Payton and Tomlin...who here is picking Tomlin?

Well, we know Kabong and Mick would be first in line for Jibbs.

I’m not sure when in recent years i’ve posted something notably “pro-Tomlin”; i guess a fair amount of “anti-stupid” that could have been misinterpreted that way.

[El Kabong]

If tomorrow you are given the straight up choice for Steelers head coach and it is between Payton and Tomlin...who here is picking Tomlin?

Well, we know Kabong and Mick would be first in line for Jibbs.

I’m not sure when in recent years i’ve posted something notably “pro-Tomlin”; i guess a fair amount of “anti-stupid” that could have been misinterpreted that way.

Exactly how I feel.

[El Kabong]

If tomorrow you are given the straight up choice for Steelers head coach and it is between Payton and Tomlin...who here is picking Tomlin?

Well, we know Kabong and Mick would be first in line for Jibbs.

They'd be first in line to suck Tomlin's schlong.

Ew. No thanks.

[Deebo]

Well, we know Kabong and Mick would be first in line for Jibbs.

They'd be first in line to suck Tomlin's schlong.

Ew. No thanks.

I feel the same way about incest

[El Kabong]

They'd be first in line to suck Tomlin's schlong.

Ew. No thanks.

I feel the same way about incest

Well, that's quite a non-sequitur here, so...

[Deebo]

Ew. No thanks.

I feel the same way about incest

Well, that's quite a non-sequitur here, so...

Well you guys are related, so it'd be pretty gross

[Professor Half Wit]

Well, we know Kabong and Mick would be first in line for Jibbs.

I’m not sure when in recent years i’ve posted something notably “pro-Tomlin”; i guess a fair amount of “anti-stupid” that could have been misinterpreted that way.

Exactly how I feel.

It's amazing how many people confuse pointing out the weakness of an argument with endorsing the contrary of the argument.

A: "Tomlin sucks because X."

B: "Tomlin sucking does not follow from X because of reason Y."

A: "Wow, you really suck Tomlin's dick."

Or:

A: "Coach X did Y and that's really nice."

B: "Tonlin also did X."

A: "Wow, you really sick Tomlin's dick."

[Pickett's Platoon]

People love worshipping guys like Tomlin (they've been indoctrinated to do so). They are fewer and further between now that they've seen what having guys like this in charge leads to.

Unfortunately, it took the retarded masses among us over a decade to see him for what he is, and many on the spectrum still think he's something resembling a competent coach.

[Pabst]

I’m not sure when in recent years i’ve posted something notably “pro-Tomlin”; i guess a fair amount of “anti-stupid” that could have been misinterpreted that way.

Exactly how I feel.

It's amazing how many people confuse pointing out the weakness of an argument with endorsing the contrary of the argument.

A: "Tomlin sucks because X."

B: "Tomlin sucking does not follow from X because of reason Y."

A: "Wow, you really suck Tomlin's dick."

Or:

A: "Coach X did Y and that's really nice."

B: "Tonlin also did X."

A: "Wow, you really sick Tomlin's dick."

My personal favorite...

"Coach Tomlin did X, Coach Y is far superior"

"Coach Y also did X"

"Wow, you really suck Tomlin's dick"


Can't remember who said it (I think it was in a playoff thread), but it's amazing how much the same criticisms come up when we are all in a non-Steelers game thread.

[Pickett's Platoon]

Notice how there are no real world examples of...

Sane person speaking: 'Tomlin did X he's completely retarded'

Indoctrinated Tomlin worshipper: 'No it wasn't that noble man's fault, it was THIS, he's a god of a HC'

Lol, I really can't believe these tards are still in existence much less outing themselves.

If you want to see something really hilarious look back at some poasts here and elsewhere towards the beginning of Tomlin's tenure here. Most everyone was stumbling over each other in a race to suck Tomlin's schlong (Swiss, myself and Terry Bradshaw were the only ones who saw through his BS from the beginning) Now, create a chart with these Tomlin schlong suckers graphed against the # of Cowher's players still on the roster. Can you see a trend here lol???

[Pabst]

Notice how there are no real world examples of...

Sane person speaking: 'Tomlin did X he's completely retarded'

Indoctrinated Tomlin worshipper: 'No it wasn't that noble man's fault, it was THIS, he's a god of a HC'

Lol, I really can't believe these tards are still in existence much less outing themselves.

If you want to see something really hilarious look back at some poasts here and elsewhere towards the beginning of Tomlin's tenure here. Most everyone was stumbling over each other in a race to suck Tomlin's schlong (Swiss, myself and Terry Bradshaw were the only ones who saw through his BS from the beginning) Now, create a chart with these Tomlin schlong suckers graphed against the # of Cowher's players still on the roster. Can you see a trend here lol???

This is literally a thread about a head coach who, over 15 years, had fewer Super Bowl and Conference Championship game appearances than Tomlin despite having (arguably) a better QB that entire time.

Thanks for proving the point.

[Pickett's Platoon]

Notice how there are no real world examples of...

Sane person speaking: 'Tomlin did X he's completely retarded'

Indoctrinated Tomlin worshipper: 'No it wasn't that noble man's fault, it was THIS, he's a god of a HC'

Lol, I really can't believe these tards are still in existence much less outing themselves.

If you want to see something really hilarious look back at some poasts here and elsewhere towards the beginning of Tomlin's tenure here. Most everyone was stumbling over each other in a race to suck Tomlin's schlong (Swiss, myself and Terry Bradshaw were the only ones who saw through his BS from the beginning) Now, create a chart with these Tomlin schlong suckers graphed against the # of Cowher's players still on the roster. Can you see a trend here lol???

This is literally a thread about a head coach who, over 15 years, had fewer Super Bowl and Conference Championship game appearances than Tomlin despite having (arguably) a better QB that entire time.

Thanks for proving the point.

We all can see it morphed into something completely different (as most threads here do).

What a dumbass lol.

[Professor Half Wit]

Notice how there are no real world examples of...

Sane person speaking: 'Tomlin did X he's completely retarded'

Indoctrinated Tomlin worshipper: 'No it wasn't that noble man's fault, it was THIS, he's a god of a HC'

Lol, I really can't believe these tards are still in existence much less outing themselves.

If you want to see something really hilarious look back at some poasts here and elsewhere towards the beginning of Tomlin's tenure here. Most everyone was stumbling over each other in a race to suck Tomlin's schlong (Swiss, myself and Terry Bradshaw were the only ones who saw through his BS from the beginning) Now, create a chart with these Tomlin schlong suckers graphed against the # of Cowher's players still on the roster. Can you see a trend here lol???

This is literally a thread about a head coach who, over 15 years, had fewer Super Bowl and Conference Championship game appearances than Tomlin despite having (arguably) a better QB that entire time.

Thanks for proving the point.

We all can see it morphed into something completely different (as most threads here do).

What a dumbass lol.

So do you not see the difference between defending Tomlin and pointing out a weakness in an account attacking Tomlin? I thought you were a math and science guy. Math is about rules of quantitative inference. Arguments about rules of inference between propositions. If you are good at one, you should not be face planting in the other. Search yourself, friend.

[Pickett's Platoon]

This is literally a thread about a head coach who, over 15 years, had fewer Super Bowl and Conference Championship game appearances than Tomlin despite having (arguably) a better QB that entire time.

Thanks for proving the point.

We all can see it morphed into something completely different (as most threads here do).

What a dumbass lol.

So do you not see the difference between defending Tomlin and pointing out a weakness in an account attacking Tomlin? I thought you were a math and science guy. Math is about rules of quantitative inference. Arguments about rules of inference between propositions. If you are good at one, you should not be face planting in the other. Search yourself, friend.

I am definitely NOT a math guy. Those people are sick. Just look at The Jizz Mop for a good example.

[El Kabong]

I feel the same way about incest

Well, that's quite a non-sequitur here, so...

Well you guys are related, so it'd be pretty gross

I am merely using the rules that this board has laid out on how to judge an HC with a franchise QB, and as I do, I see that Payton sucks. What's the problem? You related to Payton or something? I didn't realize so many of Payton's relatives posted here.