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Steelers signed LS Christian Kuntz

Post by DP39 » Wed Feb 22, 2023 10:22 pm

Steelers signed LS Christian Kuntz to a one-year contract.

Kuntz entered the league as an EDGE rusher in 2017, joining the Patriots as an undrafted free agent out of Duquesne. Soon after joining the Patriots, Kuntz gave up his pursuit of quarterbacks for a higher calling. That calling, of course, was snapping snaps longer than any snapper has ever snapped snaps. Those wondering why Duquesne is now commonly referred to as "Long Snapper U" need not look any further than the Steelers roster, as Kuntz prepares to suit up for his third consecutive season with the team.

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CHAMPIONSHIP!

All kidding aside, glad he's staying. Now, if we would just upgrade our punter!



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Post by Scunge » Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:33 pm

Not unexpected but they need to bring in serious competition for this bum.

We missed a lot of field goals and the bad punts all have one thing in common, substandard long snaps from Kuntz. I can’t remember a worse season by a Steeler long snapper.

I fondly remember that one 17 yard punt by Harvin where people want to run him out of town but they missed the horrible long snap on that play. Harvin made an incredible catch on a way off target snap and miraculously got the punt off. It could have easily been blocked or have sailed by Harvin and been recovered by the opposing team. Kuntz came up to Harvin after the punt to fist bump him for saving his ass, but Harvin slapped his hand away. Those bad snaps happened all season long, on punts field goals and extra points, but yeah let’s sign a new punter :roll:

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Post by steelmann58 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:12 am

You can bet their be a punter and LS brought in

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Post by DP39 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:49 pm

Scunge wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:33 pm
Not unexpected but they need to bring in serious competition for this bum.

We missed a lot of field goals and the bad punts all have one thing in common, substandard long snaps from Kuntz. I can’t remember a worse season by a Steeler long snapper.

I fondly remember that one 17 yard punt by Harvin where people want to run him out of town but they missed the horrible long snap on that play. Harvin made an incredible catch on a way off target snap and miraculously got the punt off. It could have easily been blocked or have sailed by Harvin and been recovered by the opposing team. Kuntz came up to Harvin after the punt to fist bump him for saving his ass, but Harvin slapped his hand away. Those bad snaps happened all season long, on punts field goals and extra points, but yeah let’s sign a new punter :roll:
While Kuntz may not have been perfect or even far from it last year (while being asked to snap a longer distance than most snappers), if you can't see Harvin's MAJOR inconsistencies in punting, even when he's receiving a perfect snap, then you need to get your eyes checked, brother ( :P ). Because, imo, Harvin has been one of the most inconsistent punters in the league (a 58 yarder followed by a 35 yarder), and I watch a ton of other punters/games.

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Post by Korey39 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:41 pm

DP39 wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:49 pm
Scunge wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:33 pm
Not unexpected but they need to bring in serious competition for this bum.

We missed a lot of field goals and the bad punts all have one thing in common, substandard long snaps from Kuntz. I can’t remember a worse season by a Steeler long snapper.

I fondly remember that one 17 yard punt by Harvin where people want to run him out of town but they missed the horrible long snap on that play. Harvin made an incredible catch on a way off target snap and miraculously got the punt off. It could have easily been blocked or have sailed by Harvin and been recovered by the opposing team. Kuntz came up to Harvin after the punt to fist bump him for saving his ass, but Harvin slapped his hand away. Those bad snaps happened all season long, on punts field goals and extra points, but yeah let’s sign a new punter :roll:
While Kuntz may not have been perfect or even far from it last year (while being asked to snap a longer distance than most snappers), if you can't see Harvin's MAJOR inconsistencies in punting, even when he's receiving a perfect snap, then you need to get your eyes checked, brother ( :P ). Because, imo, Harvin has been one of the most inconsistent punters in the league (a 58 yarder followed by a 35 yarder), and I watch a ton of other punters/games.
I'll say Kuntz was directly responsible for about 4 of Harvins bad punts. There's a lot of nuance to explain why some of the snaps were bad but the bottom line is that Kuntz will be blamed for those bad punts. Harvin improved from his rookie year and is very naturally gifted. If you wipe out even two of the bad punts that were Kuntz's fault then his average was close to the middle of the league. Harvin also was #8 in average hangtime which is a bigger deal. Kuntz was good for us the year before so he deserves a chance to compete but if we were going to give up on Harvin it should've been after his rookie year.

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Post by Scunge » Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:48 pm

DP39 wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:49 pm

While Kuntz may not have been perfect or even far from it last year (while being asked to snap a longer distance than most snappers), if you can't see Harvin's MAJOR inconsistencies in punting, even when he's receiving a perfect snap, then you need to get your eyes checked, brother ( :P ). Because, imo, Harvin has been one of the most inconsistent punters in the league (a 58 yarder followed by a 35 yarder), and I watch a ton of other punters/games.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most fans jerk themselves off like crazy for gross avg, net avg, blah, blah, blah.

Harvin's hang time and placement were dramatically improved from his rookie year and people lose sight of the most important part of punting, to not allow much of a return or give up punt return TDs. And to place punts inside the 20.

Everyone was singing the praises of that rookie punter Stonehouse, 53.1 avg, 44.0 net avg but he had 59 returns for 636 yards, 10.8 yd avg on his 90 punts. He only had a Fair Catch called on 12% of his punts. He placed 33% of his punts down inside the 20 yard line.

Contrast that with our punter Harvin, 44.5 avg, 41.1 net avg, but he had only 24 punts returned for 137 yards, a 5.7 yd avg on his 69 punts. Harvin had a Fair Catch called on 31.9 % of his punts. He placed 29% of his punts down inside the 20 yard line.

The two punters that made the Pro Bowl, AJ Cole and Bryan Anger how did punt returners fair against them? Cole had 25 returns for 274 yards, 10.96 yard avg, and Anger had 32 returns for 258 yards, 8.1 yard avg.

I don't get wrapped up in gross avg and net avg, all that matters to me is minimizing the punt return game and placing punts down inside the 20. Harvin, in punters with at least 50 or more punts I believe had the second lowest amount of return yards with 137. The punter with the lowest amount of return yards was JK Scott, his gross 43.6 and net of 41.5 are supposedly inferior like Harvins but he placed 28 punts inside the 20 on 73 punts, 38.4%, and forced 45.2% of his punts to be Fair Catches (33). How did the punt returners fair against Scott? They managed 19 returns for 58 yards, 3.05 yards per return.

Now yes, yes, the coverage punt return units play their part but it all starts with that punter. If Harvin or Scott get a clean snap from the long snapper, they don't outkick their coverage, they don't punt line drives that spend little time in the air. No they are able to get hang time, place their punts, etc.

Harvin is doing just fine.

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Post by jewelsongs » Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:51 pm

Scunge wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:48 pm
DP39 wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:49 pm

While Kuntz may not have been perfect or even far from it last year (while being asked to snap a longer distance than most snappers), if you can't see Harvin's MAJOR inconsistencies in punting, even when he's receiving a perfect snap, then you need to get your eyes checked, brother ( :P ). Because, imo, Harvin has been one of the most inconsistent punters in the league (a 58 yarder followed by a 35 yarder), and I watch a ton of other punters/games.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most fans jerk themselves off like crazy for gross avg, net avg, blah, blah, blah.

Harvin's hang time and placement were dramatically improved from his rookie year and people lose sight of the most important part of punting, to not allow much of a return or give up punt return TDs. And to place punts inside the 20.

Everyone was singing the praises of that rookie punter Stonehouse, 53.1 avg, 44.0 net avg but he had 59 returns for 636 yards, 10.8 yd avg on his 90 punts. He only had a Fair Catch called on 12% of his punts. He placed 33% of his punts down inside the 20 yard line.

Contrast that with our punter Harvin, 44.5 avg, 41.1 net avg, but he had only 24 punts returned for 137 yards, a 5.7 yd avg on his 69 punts. Harvin had a Fair Catch called on 31.9 % of his punts. He placed 29% of his punts down inside the 20 yard line.

The two punters that made the Pro Bowl, AJ Cole and Bryan Anger how did punt returners fair against them? Cole had 25 returns for 274 yards, 10.96 yard avg, and Anger had 32 returns for 258 yards, 8.1 yard avg.

I don't get wrapped up in gross avg and net avg, all that matters to me is minimizing the punt return game and placing punts down inside the 20. Harvin, in punters with at least 50 or more punts I believe had the second lowest amount of return yards with 137. The punter with the lowest amount of return yards was JK Scott, his gross 43.6 and net of 41.5 are supposedly inferior like Harvins but he placed 28 punts inside the 20 on 73 punts, 38.4%, and forced 45.2% of his punts to be Fair Catches (33). How did the punt returners fair against Scott? They managed 19 returns for 58 yards, 3.05 yards per return.

Now yes, yes, the coverage punt return units play their part but it all starts with that punter. If Harvin or Scott get a clean snap from the long snapper, they don't outkick their coverage, they don't punt line drives that spend little time in the air. No they are able to get hang time, place their punts, etc.

Harvin is doing just fine.
Really nice post!

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Post by Kodiak. » Thu Feb 23, 2023 9:46 pm

He entered the league as an EDGE?

Can you say "position flexibility"!?!?!?
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Post by DP39 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:09 pm

Korey39 wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 4:41 pm
DP39 wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:49 pm
Scunge wrote:
Wed Feb 22, 2023 11:33 pm
Not unexpected but they need to bring in serious competition for this bum.

We missed a lot of field goals and the bad punts all have one thing in common, substandard long snaps from Kuntz. I can’t remember a worse season by a Steeler long snapper.

I fondly remember that one 17 yard punt by Harvin where people want to run him out of town but they missed the horrible long snap on that play. Harvin made an incredible catch on a way off target snap and miraculously got the punt off. It could have easily been blocked or have sailed by Harvin and been recovered by the opposing team. Kuntz came up to Harvin after the punt to fist bump him for saving his ass, but Harvin slapped his hand away. Those bad snaps happened all season long, on punts field goals and extra points, but yeah let’s sign a new punter :roll:
While Kuntz may not have been perfect or even far from it last year (while being asked to snap a longer distance than most snappers), if you can't see Harvin's MAJOR inconsistencies in punting, even when he's receiving a perfect snap, then you need to get your eyes checked, brother ( :P ). Because, imo, Harvin has been one of the most inconsistent punters in the league (a 58 yarder followed by a 35 yarder), and I watch a ton of other punters/games.
I'll say Kuntz was directly responsible for about 4 of Harvins bad punts. There's a lot of nuance to explain why some of the snaps were bad but the bottom line is that Kuntz will be blamed for those bad punts. Harvin improved from his rookie year and is very naturally gifted. If you wipe out even two of the bad punts that were Kuntz's fault then his average was close to the middle of the league. Harvin also was #8 in average hangtime which is a bigger deal. Kuntz was good for us the year before so he deserves a chance to compete but if we were going to give up on Harvin it should've been after his rookie year.
I'm not saying Harvey has gotten worse, but he hasn't improved by a ton either. Yes, he gets nice hangtime on some of his punts, but, over the years, I've also seen him shank his fair share of punts out of bounds for 30-35 yards -- even after a good snap. Those shanks seem to happen when we're pinned close to our side of the field, which is probably why they bug me more.

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Post by DP39 » Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:14 pm

Scunge wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:48 pm
DP39 wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:49 pm

While Kuntz may not have been perfect or even far from it last year (while being asked to snap a longer distance than most snappers), if you can't see Harvin's MAJOR inconsistencies in punting, even when he's receiving a perfect snap, then you need to get your eyes checked, brother ( :P ). Because, imo, Harvin has been one of the most inconsistent punters in the league (a 58 yarder followed by a 35 yarder), and I watch a ton of other punters/games.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most fans jerk themselves off like crazy for gross avg, net avg, blah, blah, blah.

Harvin's hang time and placement were dramatically improved from his rookie year and people lose sight of the most important part of punting, to not allow much of a return or give up punt return TDs. And to place punts inside the 20.

Everyone was singing the praises of that rookie punter Stonehouse, 53.1 avg, 44.0 net avg but he had 59 returns for 636 yards, 10.8 yd avg on his 90 punts. He only had a Fair Catch called on 12% of his punts. He placed 33% of his punts down inside the 20 yard line.

Contrast that with our punter Harvin, 44.5 avg, 41.1 net avg, but he had only 24 punts returned for 137 yards, a 5.7 yd avg on his 69 punts. Harvin had a Fair Catch called on 31.9 % of his punts. He placed 29% of his punts down inside the 20 yard line.

The two punters that made the Pro Bowl, AJ Cole and Bryan Anger how did punt returners fair against them? Cole had 25 returns for 274 yards, 10.96 yard avg, and Anger had 32 returns for 258 yards, 8.1 yard avg.

I don't get wrapped up in gross avg and net avg, all that matters to me is minimizing the punt return game and placing punts down inside the 20. Harvin, in punters with at least 50 or more punts I believe had the second lowest amount of return yards with 137. The punter with the lowest amount of return yards was JK Scott, his gross 43.6 and net of 41.5 are supposedly inferior like Harvins but he placed 28 punts inside the 20 on 73 punts, 38.4%, and forced 45.2% of his punts to be Fair Catches (33). How did the punt returners fair against Scott? They managed 19 returns for 58 yards, 3.05 yards per return.

Now yes, yes, the coverage punt return units play their part but it all starts with that punter. If Harvin or Scott get a clean snap from the long snapper, they don't outkick their coverage, they don't punt line drives that spend little time in the air. No they are able to get hang time, place their punts, etc.

Harvin is doing just fine.
I'm not saying Harvey has gotten worse, but he hasn't improved by a ton either. Yes, he gets nice hangtime on some of his punts, but, over the years, I've also seen him shank his fair share of punts out of bounds for 30-35 yards -- even after a good snap. Those shanks seem to happen when we're pinned close to our side of the field, which is probably why they bug me more.

We'll just have to disagree on whether Harvin is "doing just fine" I guess.

Caveat: I look at every roster spot and want my team to try to improve it if it can. I know you can't have an AP at every position, but I want my team to leave no stone unturned -- not just say it, do it.

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Post by Scunge » Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:37 am

Yeah, we will have to agree to disagree DP39.

I think Tomlin and Danny Smith when they have a meeting at the end of the year, go over the punt game, the punt coverage units, they had to have been ecstatic with the results this year.

As a rookie punter Harvin had a 42.6 gross, 38.0 net, and he went through the adversity of his father and then grandmother passing away during his rookie season. Corliss punted for 2 games if you remember. The return yardage given up that year was 32 punt returns for 308 yards, a 9.6 yd avg.

Then this season Harvin has a 44.5 gross, 41.1 net and the return yardage goes to 24 returns and 137 yards, a magnificent 5.7 yard avg.

Under Berry, we routinely gave up 10 yards a return.

I also thought that Harvin finished strong with those last 3 games, through the bitter cold, etc. He was dropping balls down close to the 5 yard line, he was flipping the field, I fondly remember that 57 yarder against the Browns where our offense stalled at our own 19 yard line, Harvin comes out booms that huge punt and the Browns are starting at their 29 yard line. Or that beautiful punt of his that Boykin was able to down at the 6 yard line. Watson was playing like shit that day, but man, Harvin and the punt coverage units were doing everything to put them in the worst position.

I don't get hung up on an occasional shank, because it happens to ALL punters. And most of these other supposedly great punters, better punters probably play in great weather, in a dome, they shouldn't have any shanks at all.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Fri Feb 24, 2023 1:11 am

Scunge wrote:
Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:37 am
Yeah, we will have to agree to disagree DP39.

I think Tomlin and Danny Smith when they have a meeting at the end of the year, go over the punt game, the punt coverage units, they had to have been ecstatic with the results this year.

As a rookie punter Harvin had a 42.6 gross, 38.0 net, and he went through the adversity of his father and then grandmother passing away during his rookie season. Corliss punted for 2 games if you remember. The return yardage given up that year was 32 punt returns for 308 yards, a 9.6 yd avg.

Then this season Harvin has a 44.5 gross, 41.1 net and the return yardage goes to 24 returns and 137 yards, a magnificent 5.7 yard avg.

Under Berry, we routinely gave up 10 yards a return.

I also thought that Harvin finished strong with those last 3 games, through the bitter cold, etc. He was dropping balls down close to the 5 yard line, he was flipping the field, I fondly remember that 57 yarder against the Browns where our offense stalled at our own 19 yard line, Harvin comes out booms that huge punt and the Browns are starting at their 29 yard line. Or that beautiful punt of his that Boykin was able to down at the 6 yard line. Watson was playing like shit that day, but man, Harvin and the punt coverage units were doing everything to put them in the worst position.

I don't get hung up on an occasional shank, because it happens to ALL punters. And most of these other supposedly great punters, better punters probably play in great weather, in a dome, they shouldn't have any shanks at all.
Holy Shit! Pat McAfee is on our board!

Harvin was on my radar 2 seasons ago as sucking. He dropped off this year due to other areas of emphasis! Bush never dropped off my radar.

I remember the days when hang time used to always be displayed on the TV. They probably need to get back to it. Your post reminded me of listening/watching Harbaugh, I believe, discuss the Gunner position. It blew me away with the level of complexity of what seems like a simple task. Thanks for opening my eyes to his hang time.

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Post by Korey39 » Fri Feb 24, 2023 2:15 am

DP39 wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 11:14 pm
Scunge wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 5:48 pm
DP39 wrote:
Thu Feb 23, 2023 2:49 pm

While Kuntz may not have been perfect or even far from it last year (while being asked to snap a longer distance than most snappers), if you can't see Harvin's MAJOR inconsistencies in punting, even when he's receiving a perfect snap, then you need to get your eyes checked, brother ( :P ). Because, imo, Harvin has been one of the most inconsistent punters in the league (a 58 yarder followed by a 35 yarder), and I watch a ton of other punters/games.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I think most fans jerk themselves off like crazy for gross avg, net avg, blah, blah, blah.

Harvin's hang time and placement were dramatically improved from his rookie year and people lose sight of the most important part of punting, to not allow much of a return or give up punt return TDs. And to place punts inside the 20.

Everyone was singing the praises of that rookie punter Stonehouse, 53.1 avg, 44.0 net avg but he had 59 returns for 636 yards, 10.8 yd avg on his 90 punts. He only had a Fair Catch called on 12% of his punts. He placed 33% of his punts down inside the 20 yard line.

Contrast that with our punter Harvin, 44.5 avg, 41.1 net avg, but he had only 24 punts returned for 137 yards, a 5.7 yd avg on his 69 punts. Harvin had a Fair Catch called on 31.9 % of his punts. He placed 29% of his punts down inside the 20 yard line.

The two punters that made the Pro Bowl, AJ Cole and Bryan Anger how did punt returners fair against them? Cole had 25 returns for 274 yards, 10.96 yard avg, and Anger had 32 returns for 258 yards, 8.1 yard avg.

I don't get wrapped up in gross avg and net avg, all that matters to me is minimizing the punt return game and placing punts down inside the 20. Harvin, in punters with at least 50 or more punts I believe had the second lowest amount of return yards with 137. The punter with the lowest amount of return yards was JK Scott, his gross 43.6 and net of 41.5 are supposedly inferior like Harvins but he placed 28 punts inside the 20 on 73 punts, 38.4%, and forced 45.2% of his punts to be Fair Catches (33). How did the punt returners fair against Scott? They managed 19 returns for 58 yards, 3.05 yards per return.

Now yes, yes, the coverage punt return units play their part but it all starts with that punter. If Harvin or Scott get a clean snap from the long snapper, they don't outkick their coverage, they don't punt line drives that spend little time in the air. No they are able to get hang time, place their punts, etc.

Harvin is doing just fine.
I'm not saying Harvey has gotten worse, but he hasn't improved by a ton either. Yes, he gets nice hangtime on some of his punts, but, over the years, I've also seen him shank his fair share of punts out of bounds for 30-35 yards -- even after a good snap. Those shanks seem to happen when we're pinned close to our side of the field, which is probably why they bug me more.

We'll just have to disagree on whether Harvin is "doing just fine" I guess.

Caveat: I look at every roster spot and want my team to try to improve it if it can. I know you can't have an AP at every position, but I want my team to leave no stone unturned -- not just say it, do it.
Thats fair but its tough to replace specialists that aren't bottom 8ish in the league. The guys who are FAs are FAs for a reason or they are going to be old and getting worse + want money. Unless we draft another punter (who would be completely unproven in the NFL) it would be tough to replace Harvin even if he stayed the same.

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Post by Scunge » Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:58 am

Not only do I think Harvin will be fine as our punter, I don't know how anybody can argue that the value he brings is well worth what we are paying him too.

I believe on a per year average, Harvin is 27th among punters, averaging $890,000 per year.

Does anybody really want to get up on the table and pound the table for these punters making $2.5 million like Johnny Hekker? Or $3 million per year like AJ Cole? Or $3.675 million per season like Michael Dickson?

I feel like people bitching about Harvin are 3 years too early. If he signs a 3 year $10 million deal in 2025, then you can bitch and be critical all you want, but now? When there is really no discernible glaring weakness? When he is making one third to one fourth of the rest of the NFL's punters on a per year basis?

To me the weakness of the special teams unit is the long snapper. Kuntz, was not that good last year for whatever reason. We had 10 missed FGs last year, we also had a lot of FGs and extra points that were barely made and one of the common things was high snaps, wide snaps, etc.

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Post by LakecrestSteeler » Fri Feb 24, 2023 12:12 pm

Scunge wrote:
Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:58 am
Not only do I think Harvin will be fine as our punter, I don't know how anybody can argue that the value he brings is well worth what we are paying him too.

I believe on a per year average, Harvin is 27th among punters, averaging $890,000 per year.

Does anybody really want to get up on the table and pound the table for these punters making $2.5 million like Johnny Hekker? Or $3 million per year like AJ Cole? Or $3.675 million per season like Michael Dickson?

I feel like people bitching about Harvin are 3 years too early. If he signs a 3 year $10 million deal in 2025, then you can bitch and be critical all you want, but now? When there is really no discernible glaring weakness? When he is making one third to one fourth of the rest of the NFL's punters on a per year basis?

To me the weakness of the special teams unit is the long snapper. Kuntz, was not that good last year for whatever reason. We had 10 missed FGs last year, we also had a lot of FGs and extra points that were barely made and one of the common things was high snaps, wide snaps, etc.
Let’s not forget Boz’s name injury too. The operations of FG and extra points is pretty intertwined with LS, holder Harvin and kicker. Do we know if he was hurt suddenly during practice or was it nagging before the injury pronouncement and then was he truly 100% after the injury. Throw in a week or two with different kickers did not help the stats. A few Furians were nervous about having Boz return if I recall correctly.

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Post by DP39 » Fri Feb 24, 2023 5:02 pm

Scunge wrote:
Fri Feb 24, 2023 11:58 am
Not only do I think Harvin will be fine as our punter, I don't know how anybody can argue that the value he brings is well worth what we are paying him too.

I believe on a per year average, Harvin is 27th among punters, averaging $890,000 per year.

Does anybody really want to get up on the table and pound the table for these punters making $2.5 million like Johnny Hekker? Or $3 million per year like AJ Cole? Or $3.675 million per season like Michael Dickson?

I feel like people bitching about Harvin are 3 years too early. If he signs a 3 year $10 million deal in 2025, then you can bitch and be critical all you want, but now? When there is really no discernible glaring weakness? When he is making one third to one fourth of the rest of the NFL's punters on a per year basis?

To me the weakness of the special teams unit is the long snapper. Kuntz, was not that good last year for whatever reason. We had 10 missed FGs last year, we also had a lot of FGs and extra points that were barely made and one of the common things was high snaps, wide snaps, etc.
Salary-wise, just about the last roster spot I'm going to worry about is the punter. We're talking about $1-3M max in difference (league wide) of highest paid and lowest for their position. While saving money is saving money, I don't need my FO/Bean Counter/HC attaching themselves to this particular train full bore -- there are far more important areas they can focus their "proven" low energy level on.

Two years ago we drafted Harvin (the only punter drafted in '21 mind you). In his first year he was graded as the worst punter in the league (#31 to 33) depending where you look. Yes, last year he improved, but it's not like he could've gotten any worse. He improved to middle of the pack, at best, so, around #16 overall. They way we play played as much of a role in his improvement as he did, imo.

Punters RARELY get drafted -- one or two a year usually. If we're going to spend a draft pick (7th) on one then I want him to be in the top 5-8 (overall) consistently. Hell, even if we don't spend draft capital on one, I still want him to be top 5-8. Tommy Townsend (KC) was considered the best (or 2nd best) overall punter last year and he earned basically the same as Harvin, and I wouldn't say he's kickin' in SoCal weather -- much closer to PIT's actually.

As for Harvin's 2022 stats & rankings: (he punted 69 times -- 15th or 16th attempts-wise)

STAT...............RANK
Y/P: 44.5..........28TH
NY/P: 41.1.........19TH
TB: 5.................16TH
TB%: 7.2..........16TH
IN20: 20..........24TH
IN20%: 29.........28TH
RTYDS: 137.........6TH
OOB%: 10.4........23rd
SFP%: 76.8.........4th (only 3 other punters got shorter fields to punt from on avg.) :shock:

While I've agreed Harvin has nice hangtime, which can play one role in a lower return yardage -- the other being the actual coverage, there's only about 1 more average return yard per punt difference between his 6th ranking and the 16th ranked punter.

As you can see, stats are nice, but the eye in the sky (or my eyes) don't lie. The fact remains, Harvin, while improving some (he had to, right?) is far from top 10 in the league. More important, he's STILL inconsistent. Not as much as he was (couldn't get much more and have a job), but it still exists and needs some improvement, for sure. I'll also add, while Harvin did a nice job of downing punts inside the 10 and 5, with our HC's major risk aversion, he got A TON more opportunities than he peers (actually, only 3 other punters got more (short field punt%)) to punt from mid-field to which he could place the balls there -- nonetheless, he did perform when asked in that capacity. I'll give him that.

But, his enormous number of short field punt opportunities are also why he had a very-to-pretty high IN10%, IN5%, FC# (Fair Catch), and lower return yards league wide. He's middle of the pack for FC% and around 20th in TB% (lower being better here). His inconsistences still lies in the fact he's in the top 10 for kicking OOB% (not good), and he's no coffin corner punter (we all know that) -- many of his OOB punts were shanks!

Look, I hope Harvin can take a much larger leap forward this year, and become more consistent. If not, like I said, I want my FO turning over every rock they can to improve my team -- even the punter.

Personally, I think there are a number of punters out there they can do what we ask Harvin to do and do it as well or better.....AND not shank the ball from our own end on occasion (actually more often for Harvin). Even if it costs us another mill or two, I'm ok with that.

We can still agree to disagree, and that's ok. ;)

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