Mitch Extended

[Deebo]

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Presumably to lower his cap hit

[DP39]

This move probably frees up around $5M+ in cap for '23 is my guess.

[Mick]

I will guess…3 years, $17M; $7M signing bonus, $13M guaranteed,
$1M salary year 1, $5M year 2, , $4M year 3. Reduces 2023 cap hit by $5M.

But why do we want cap space?

[Deebo]

I will guess…3 years, $17M; $7M signing bonus, $13M guaranteed,
$1M salary year 1, $5M year 2, , $4M year 3. Reduces 2023 cap hit by $5M.

But why do we want cap space?

Further details
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[bradshaw2ben]

I will guess…3 years, $17M; $7M signing bonus, $13M guaranteed,
$1M salary year 1, $5M year 2, , $4M year 3. Reduces 2023 cap hit by $5M.

But why do we want cap space?

A Highsmith extension or ILB/NCB signing, I would guess.

I don't care for this extension unless it's a big pay cut disguised as an extension. To me, he's not capable of being a plus starter and he's wayyyyy overpaid to be a backup. Extending him frees cap room now but at what cost for the future? Would likely mean they can't cut him nor move him. Why on earth extend a guy no one wants?

[Mick]

Brissett $8M/year
Heinecke $7M/year
Mariota/Dalton/Stidham $5M/year

My guess puts Trubisky at $5.7M/year. I think most people think Dalton at 5M is a better deal, but more broadly it looks to be in line with the market at that point.

[Jobu]

But why do we want cap space?

Ben’s coming out of retirement!

[Jobu]

But why do we want cap space?

JJ Watt signing.

[Jobu]

But why do we want cap space?

Trading for Bud DuPree.

[Jobu]

But why do we want cap space?

Re-signing Benny Snell, Derek Watt, and Marcus Allen.

[Jobu]

But why do we want cap space?

Cole Kelly’s monster signing bonus.

[Jobu]

But why do we want cap space?

Three way bidding war with Atlanta and Seattle for Kory Curtis.

[Jobu]

But why do we want cap space?

I’ve got nothing…

[yygy]

And the impending battle for qb2 between Mitch and mason is set up the be the most pointless offseason topic in living memory

[Kodiak.]

Sooooooo.....Cutting Trubisky would have cost them $2.65M in guaranteed [dead] money, but saved his $8M salary.

But, of course, that is not how PIT does business. So they extend him, which likely makes the vast majority of that $8M guaranteed, but now you've tacked on additional years that may be reasonable (hopefully no guaranteed money).

Doesn't make a lot of sense after signing Rudolph. But I'll wait until I see the full terms of the deal. I think Rudolph is garbage and gives you 0 chance to win a game with his arm. Trubisky might not be good, but every once in a while he can sling it impressively. He gives you a chance to win games you have no chance with Rudolph. On the flip side, Trubisky might be reckless and cost you some games you might win with Rudolph as a game manager.

I suppose it's conceivable that, after signing Rudolph, Trubisky did the math on being cut or even a FA next year....and decided he's unlikely to beat say $16M over 3 years this deal might be worth.

And with both of these deals, PIT has a shot to essentially trade some cap for draft picks if the right opportunity presents itself. Seems a bit of a reach, but until they find a bonafide franchise QB they will struggle to spend their cap. Even if that's Pickett, such a deal is 2-3 years away.

[Quixotic]

I will guess…3 years, $17M; $7M signing bonus, $13M guaranteed,
$1M salary year 1, $5M year 2, , $4M year 3. Reduces 2023 cap hit by $5M.

But why do we want cap space?

A Highsmith extension or ILB/NCB signing, I would guess.

I don't care for this extension unless it's a big pay cut disguised as an extension. To me, he's not capable of being a plus starter and he's wayyyyy overpaid to be a backup. Extending him frees cap room now but at what cost for the future? Would likely mean they can't cut him nor move him. Why on earth extend a guy no one wants?

To make room in the quarterback room for another guy no one wants?

[Kodiak.]

As for cap space, outright cutting Trubisky would have saved them $8M this year.

He had $2.6M in dead money, which I think could have been spread over 2 years (not that it matters for an amount that small). So this move was not to save cap space.

And just thinking through the math....his $10.6M cap hit all becomes guaranteed spread over 3 years. And years 2 and 3 have to have AT LEAST $1.1M per year.

This just doesn't make sense to me. $5M+ for a backup QB really doesn't make much sense to me when that guy can't take you deep into the playoffs, and might only give you one extra win over 5 games if called on for injury. IMO, a backup guy like Rudolph at vet min is perfectly fine. Use the Trubisky money to add depth somewhere it can make a much bigger difference.

[955876]

I think Mitch is fine if he settled into career back-up. He young, mobile, and has an arm.

Saves us from having to worry bout the position at all.

Not sure why Bibbs was brought back. Keep that slot open for developmental guy.

Cool with me if he wants to be 3rd strong though. Whatever.

[Kodiak.]

I think Mitch is fine if he settled into career back-up. He young, mobile, and has an arm.

Saves us from having to worry bout the position at all.

Not sure why Bibbs was brought back. Keep that slot open for developmental guy.

Cool with me if he wants to be 3rd strong though. Whatever.

What are the odds Mason signed that contract yesterday thinking "well, I've got a decent shot of being the long-term backup here"? And then the very next day they extend Trubisky.

I'm going to start calling him Charlie Brown.

[bradshaw2ben]

Brissett $8M/year
Heinecke $7M/year
Mariota/Dalton/Stidham $5M/year

My guess puts Trubisky at $5.7M/year. I think most people think Dalton at 5M is a better deal, but more broadly it looks to be in line with the market at that point.

I guess it boils down to: Do you think Mitch Trubisky is better than average backup QB replacement level?

The average backup QB in the NFL makes: $3.459M
bottom 1/4 avg 1.362 M
top 1/4 avg 6.615 M
middle 1/2 avg 2.929 M

Where would you say Trubisky & Rudolph fit into that scale?

[bradshaw2ben]

Here are the names and numbers of the top 32 backup QB salaries:

Zach Wilson 8.78,
Brissett 8M,
Trubisky 7.142,
Heinicke 7,
Bridgewater 6.5,
Tyrod T 5.5,
Dalton 5,
Stidham 5,
Mariota 5,
Darnold 4.5,
Lock 4,
McCoy 3.75,
Minshew 3.5,
Flacco 3.5,
Keenum 3.125,
Huntley 2.627,
Rush 2.5
Beathard 2.25,
Hoyer 2.25,
Walker 2.075,
Mullens 2,
Dobbs 2,
Daniel 2,
Stick 1.8,
Sidfeld 1.6
Hooker 1.429
Trask 1.383
Gabbert 1.317
Mond 1.305
Mills 1.304
Willis 1.290
Corral 1.273

[955876]

I think Mitch is fine if he settled into career back-up. He young, mobile, and has an arm.

Saves us from having to worry bout the position at all.

Not sure why Bibbs was brought back. Keep that slot open for developmental guy.

Cool with me if he wants to be 3rd strong though. Whatever.

What are the odds Mason signed that contract yesterday thinking "well, I've got a decent shot of being the long-term backup here"? And then the very next day they extend Trubisky.

I'm going to start calling him Charlie Brown.

Was thinking the same thing. That Bibberty was going to be the long-term back-up.

Doesn’t look like the case now.

But then, he didn’t garner any interest elsewhere so guess he figured he’d better secure a paycheck.

Which is odd (that he had no offers) given the 1st round grade we had on him….

[SteelerDayTrader]

This team is fucked in head

Particularly at the QB position

WTF

Extend Trubisky……dumb fucking move no matter what the numbers are

[955876]

I’m not going to lose any sleep over this.

We need a veteran back-up and Mitch fits that bill. Has the tools.

I think he will be better as a back-up than he was the first few games. New city. New team. New playbook. First round QB drafted and was going to replace you sooner than later.

No surprise he played tight.

Let’s not pretend Andy Daulton or some other veteran non-starter is going to be some back-up QB savior.

If KP pans out, we could have our QB situation settled for a while.

Take a flyer on later round high ceiling guys when they appear.

[blu]

I don't get it. Trubisky may not be as bad as Rudolph but almost & Rudolph must have signed very cheap & Trubisky gets paid too much as a backup. After hitting a home run in the draft & other signings this year, it seems the front office just did the opposite. I never liked Rudolph but watching Trubisky throw away the football & game - I dislike him more especially with the salary gap between them. If the team couldn't cut Trubisky n 2023 , couldn't they hope to get something like a 4th or 5th round pick if another team was foolish enough to sign him next year?

[955876]

Don’t forget we have a very lazy coach so not having to coach up back-up QBs and get them to learn the system is a plus for this staff.

[Mick]

Brissett $8M/year
Heinecke $7M/year
Mariota/Dalton/Stidham $5M/year

My guess puts Trubisky at $5.7M/year. I think most people think Dalton at 5M is a better deal, but more broadly it looks to be in line with the market at that point.

I guess it boils down to: Do you think Mitch Trubisky is better than average backup QB replacement level?

The average backup QB in the NFL makes: $3.459M
bottom 1/4 avg 1.362 M
top 1/4 avg 6.615 M
middle 1/2 avg 2.929 M

Where would you say Trubisky & Rudolph fit into that scale?

trubisky probably a top 1/4 backup and i’d have rudolph as a bottom 1/4 backup. Put Trubisky as Bridgewaterish. Above mariota, behind brissett.

[anpsteel]

I think Mitch is fine if he settled into career back-up. He young, mobile, and has an arm.

Saves us from having to worry bout the position at all.

Not sure why Bibbs was brought back. Keep that slot open for developmental guy.

Cool with me if he wants to be 3rd strong though. Whatever.

What are the odds Mason signed that contract yesterday thinking "well, I've got a decent shot of being the long-term backup here"? And then the very next day they extend Trubisky.

I'm going to start calling him Charlie Brown.

Was thinking the same thing. That Bibberty was going to be the long-term back-up.

Doesn’t look like the case now.

But then, he didn’t garner any interest elsewhere so guess he figured he’d better secure a paycheck.

Which is odd (that he had no offers) given the 1st round grade we had on him….

This was my first thought too.

Hopefully, for his sake, they told him, he's #3, in no uncertain terms.


So maybe signing him on a 1 year vet deal, lets the team play him through pre-season, to maybe create some potential trade value should there be injuries elsewhere.

just spitballing here

[stillthere]

But why do we want cap space?

Ben’s coming out of retirement!

Ole Grey Beard is back bitches!!!!

[stillthere]

Not sure why Bibbs was brought back. Keep that slot open for developmental guy.

taking notes from across town and seeing the Pens keep the band together seemed like a logical move.