Orlovsky on Pickett - Fury Jackals That Want Pickett Meat Please Listen

[LakecrestSteeler]

If you haven’t listened to the segment of Pat McAfee about firing Matt Canada, it is some good stuff, and Furia be must listen Steeler material.

During news breaks @ 10:00 minutes.

But the reason for the post is to listen to Dan Orlovsky talk about what needs to happen to rehab Kenny Pickett. He explains perfectly the malpractice that happens with defensive coaches, and what has happened to Pickett and hiw to potentially rehabilitate him from the defensive coaching yoke. I thought it was excellent listening and a pretty good forensic analysis of how we got to this point.

Orlovsky Starts at 24:00 minute mark and ends at 42:00 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/live/DjdS2fCtJB ... VkiVd4P7vh


Great episode e0 ish minutes if you are a Steeler fan!

[RemoAZ]

That's good stuff. I had only watched a short clip of that interview. Thanks for sharing.

[LakecrestSteeler]

That's good stuff. I had only watched a short clip of that interview. Thanks for sharing.

Decent insight on how the whole OC, HC, QB coach calling plays will work.

I am excited to see what happens Sunday. I think Sullivan could turn this offense around. A God Damned Ranger who has I am sure seen some shit! He should be able to build Kenny back up for the stretch run! Be a fluffer during the week. Tell him what plays are going to be open and then call them inside his helmet! The Ranger should be able to tell Tomlin to go fuck off with the defensive bullshit! Rangers are trained how to kill humans after all!…close quarter combat!

Tomlin “Run the last 45 seconds out and let’s get to half time”

Sullivan “No…we are going to attack!”

Tomlin “Right…let’s listen to what Sullivan wants to do for the last 45 seconds!”

[RemoAZ]

That's good stuff. I had only watched a short clip of that interview. Thanks for sharing.

Decent insight on how the whole OC, HC, QB coach calling plays will work.

I am excited to see what happens Sunday. I think Sullivan could turn this offense around. A God Damned Ranger who has I am sure seen some shit! He should be able to build Kenny back up for the stretch run! Be a fluffer during the week. Tell him what plays are going to be open and then call them inside his helmet! The Ranger should be able to tell Tomlin to go fuck off with the defensive bullshit! Rangers are trained how to kill humans after all!…close quarter combat!

Tomlin “Run the last 45 seconds out and let’s get to half time”

Sullivan “No…we are going to attack!”

Tomlin “Right…let’s listen to what Sullivan wants to do for the last 45 seconds!”

Kenny might not be the guy or he might have already been screwed up in the head by the Tomlin/Canada disaster but until someone competent at least tries to coach him, I refuse to just give up. What he said about Purdy is spot on. Kenny has as much or more arm than that guy and I remember the first thing that made me think it might not be a wasted draft pick was how every ball Kenny was throwing was catchable from the preseason to the games he started last year, just like what you see from Purdy (although in a lot better offense with guys open all over the field). Problem is he's been progressively worse this year. Is that as Orlovsky point in the video, the defensive minded coaching telling him not to turn the ball over to the point he's all tied up in knots (which I believe) or does he just suck? Hopefully we'll see a better offense that lets him sling it enough to find out.

[jeemie]

For that to work we need “open now” plays.

I’m talking plays in the middle of the field that don’t take five seconds for someone to come open.

The back shoulder plays and the deep crossers are there but sometimes take too long.

Kenny needs guys schemed open that give him pitch and catch to rebuild confidence.

If we don’t get those…nothing they try will work.

[LakecrestSteeler]

For that to work we need “open now” plays.

I’m talking plays in the middle of the field that don’t take five seconds for someone to come open.

The back shoulder plays and the deep crossers are there but sometimes take too long.

Kenny needs guys schemed open that give him pitch and catch to rebuild confidence.

If we don’t get those…nothing they try will work.

This is why I want Kenny starting above Mitch and Mason. The entertainment value of this underdog rehab long shot, success or failure, will be fun to watch!

[LakecrestSteeler]

That's good stuff. I had only watched a short clip of that interview. Thanks for sharing.

Decent insight on how the whole OC, HC, QB coach calling plays will work.

I am excited to see what happens Sunday. I think Sullivan could turn this offense around. A God Damned Ranger who has I am sure seen some shit! He should be able to build Kenny back up for the stretch run! Be a fluffer during the week. Tell him what plays are going to be open and then call them inside his helmet! The Ranger should be able to tell Tomlin to go fuck off with the defensive bullshit! Rangers are trained how to kill humans after all!…close quarter combat!

Tomlin “Run the last 45 seconds out and let’s get to half time”

Sullivan “No…we are going to attack!”

Tomlin “Right…let’s listen to what Sullivan wants to do for the last 45 seconds!”

Kenny might not be the guy or he might have already been screwed up in the head by the Tomlin/Canada disaster but until someone competent at least tries to coach him, I refuse to just give up. What he said about Purdy is spot on. Kenny has as much or more arm than that guy and I remember the first thing that made me think it might not be a wasted draft pick was how every ball Kenny was throwing was catchable from the preseason to the games he started last year, just like what you see from Purdy (although in a lot better offense with guys open all over the field). Problem is he's been progressively worse this year. Is that as Orlovsky point in the video, the defensive minded coaching telling him not to turn the ball over to the point he's all tied up in knots (which I believe) or does he just suck? Hopefully we'll see a better offense that lets him sling it enough to find out.

What you have written is where my head is at. It will be fun to watch this underdog story play out. From malpractice to hopefully a QB whisperer and play caller working hard in the shadows. Most likely somewhere in the middle.

[Jobu]

You guys do realize that the guy now calling the plays is the same guy that’s been “coaching him up” during the week, right?

[LakecrestSteeler]

You guys do realize that the guy now calling the plays is the same guy that’s been “coaching him up” during the week, right?

It’s a long shot. We just need the O to be average to have overall team success.

The upheaval of Canada’s firing opens the door to get rid of the defensive yoke controlling the offense. Orlovsky summed up the problem well. Tomlin can’t look the defensive guys in the eyes and say he is doing everything possible to win! This is the real reason for the upheaval. This is the mutiny that Tomlin is ramping down as we read Fury. He has to release the reins and allow the defensive yoke to set ablaze…..at least a small amount!

He has to be able to look the defensive players in the eyes and say I am doing everything I can to help this team win to include open up the offense and take risks

[randomsteelerfan]

“The 129th dictator has fallen…” lol

[stillthere]

“The 129th dictator has fallen…” lol

The entire 20 minute lead up to Dan O was good.

[Havoc]

It was Tomlin and that killed Kenny.

The franchise has become an embarrassment. How is it possible to be this dumb on one side of the football?

The head coach is a complete imbecile on the offensive side of the football. But now that he's been pushed he will probably adjust but only to a point. So yes, we might see some positive changes but again, only to a point. Tomlin always reverts to what he is in the end.

I've been saying for the past few years that we have become the Dallas Cowboys but now I think it's worse than that.

[955876]

I think Sullivan could turn this offense around

So he’s been sitting in silence this whole time?

Has t he been the QB coach of the leagues most t unproductive QB?

Maybe he does. I’m not holding my breath.

[swissvale72]

It's like un--fuckin-believable that they come out in an offensive set from which they only run one play. Like what the actual fuck!!

[jeemie]

This is one reason why I think they had so much trouble adjusting to all. The zone looks the Cleveland was giving them.

I don't think they have options out of the place they run.

They were a couple of plays that I saw that look like roots. That would be really good against man-to-man where the receiver would run right through the zone where he should just sit down and keep going.

If the team had read zone, you would have thought he would have adapted his route.... But he didn't.

[jeemie]

That last post was an utter fail of talk to text, but I hope everyone got the point.

[jebrick]

KP does not have the arm to cash the checks that Dan Orlovsky would want him to write. We have seen gunslinger KP and it is a lot of INTs. He needs to take more chances but until they get a competent NFL offenses in place, I do not care if Bill Walsh is calling the plays, it is not going to work.

[955876]

You guys do realize that the guy now calling the plays is the same guy that’s been “coaching him up” during the week, right?

Exactly.

[jebrick]

It's like un--fuckin-believable that they come out in an offensive set from which they only run one play. Like what the actual fuck!!

Middle school level playbook there.

[bradshaw2ben]

I mean people keep going back to “well Purdy & Brady didn’t have the biggest arms and they’ve been successful” without mentioning that they are two of the quickest processors I’ve ever seen and just have “it” in spades. If Kenny had shown any of that, I’d buy the argument of “well in a better scheme he could be Purdy”.

[daikyu]

Processing is a huge part of the job and not something easy to measure.

Pickett was processing much better in the second half of last year and seems to have regressed quite a bit since then. I hope he can be salvaged.

I mean people keep going back to “well Purdy & Brady didn’t have the biggest arms and they’ve been successful” without mentioning that they are two of the quickest processors I’ve ever seen and just have “it” in spades. If Kenny had shown any of that, I’d buy the argument of “well in a better scheme he could be Purdy”.

[955876]

I work with him every day,” Tomlin said

Well, that goes a long way in explaining why PR Pickett has gotten worse rather than better.

[955876]

Pickett was processing much better in the second half of last year and seems to have regressed quite a bit since then.

See my post above…

[LakecrestSteeler]

KP does not have the arm to cash the checks that Dan Orlovsky would want him to write. We have seen gunslinger KP and it is a lot of INTs. He needs to take more chances but until they get a competent NFL offenses in place, I do not care if Bill Walsh is calling the plays, it is not going to work.

That is non-sense as Orlovsky points out, not that he is omniscient. He has the same arm as 95% of the NFL QBs. What you me to question is whether he has the consistency or stones to make the throws.

I see the exact arm as Purdy and Brady in terms of distance and velocity.

[Steelperch]

KP does not have the arm to cash the checks that Dan Orlovsky would want him to write. We have seen gunslinger KP and it is a lot of INTs. He needs to take more chances but until they get a competent NFL offenses in place, I do not care if Bill Walsh is calling the plays, it is not going to work.

That is non-sense as Orlovsky points out, not that he is omniscient. He has the same arm as 95% of the NFL QBs. What you me to question is whether he has the consistency or stones to make the throws.

I see the exact arm as Purdy and Brady in terms of distance and velocity.

He doesn’t have the accuracy or pocket presence of a Brock Purdy and it’s not close. Here is a Purdy highlight clip from just last week. First few passes shown Pickett has never made in his career. Under pressure, climbing pockets, throwing accurately into tight zone coverage over the middle… check, check, check.

https://x.com/thesfniners/status/172737 ... 34825?s=61

[955876]

He’s shown nowhere near the accuracy this year as either of those two.

Nor the ability to process and get the ball out on time.

[Steelperch]

Let’s not slander the good name of Brock Purdy by putting him in the same sentence as Kenny Pickett ever again. That ship has long since sailed.

[bradshaw2ben]

I work with him every day,” Tomlin said

Well, that goes a long way in explaining why PR Pickett has gotten worse rather than better.

Pickett is stuck on his primary read... this is what bad QBs do. Most of them never really get out of that mindset. Worse, he's stuck on presnap reads and is completely bypassing seeing the field postsnap.

The thing that makes less-than-elite-velocity-armed guys like Purdy & Brady successful is anticipation, confidence, and the ability to see the field in 3D instantaneously while bullets are flying. There's no shame in not being able to do that-- it's right up there with the rarest of sports-related skills.

[Orangesteel]

^ that.

You know how common this is? How many guys come into the league after kicking ass at QB for 3-4 years in the college ranks and don’t do a damn thing in the pros? Is the best of the very best on defense. As B2B said there is no shame in not being able to excel at the pro level.

Now, way over-drafting Pickett given he wasn’t a good prospect coming out of college and relied heavily on bloated stats from his 5th year at Pitt? A GM on his way out the door drafts a guy from the same university that Dan Marino went to in 1980?

Plenty of shame to go around for that!

[bradshaw2ben]

^ that.

You know how common this is? How many guys come into the league after kicking ass at QB for 3-4 years in the college ranks and don’t do a damn thing in the pros? Is the best of the very best on defense. As B2B said there is no shame in not being able to excel at the pro level.

Now, way over-drafting Pickett given he wasn’t a good prospect coming out of college and relied heavily on bloated stats from his 5th year at Pitt? A GM on his way out the door drafts a guy from the same university that Dan Marino went to in 1980?

Plenty of shame to go around for that!

Honestly, it isn't the choice I would have made and was fraught with red flags... but it's only an unfortunate choice unless you stick with him too long, bypass the chance to draft a better guy, and/or give him a huge C$2. Those are gigantic mistakes in comparison.